Arsenal News
Arsenal News & Transfers
As featured on NewsNow: Arsenal newsArsenal News 24/7

Arsenal News, Only Arsenal, Blogs, Transfer News

Archives

August 2017
M T W T F S S
« Jul    
 123456
78910111213
14151617181920
21222324252627
28293031  

Everton Preview | Lukaku, Ghandi and Mourinho

D-Sanchez-Cabello

First things first: Mandela rest in peace. Incredible statesman and remarkable that he lived so long. One doesn’t live to 95 harbouring deep resentment, or despair – as most would from 27 years in a dank cell.

The closest I’ve come to a cell is Bodmin Jail on a school trip – which might explain why I waste time writing about people who kick spherical objects…   as opposed to those who change them.

It seems Mark Lawrenson has actually said something interesting. Apparently working with David Moyes has driven RVP to put in a transfer request. Now this is probably bollocks. But Robin’s position is an interesting one:

He joined United for many reasons: a ‘little boy’ (just quickly: never trust little boys to make your decisions, they haven’t a bloody clue..) for one. Then there was the improved chance of success and the opportunity to work with Ferguson/Muelenstein.  Success, Muelenstein and Ferguson have departed and Robin now finds himself being coached by Phil Neville. I bloody love the idea of Phil Neville teaching RVP the intricacies of kicking the ball far/the most efficient way to track back.

Our Journey to the Amazon Basin…

Our World Cup draw looks ominous. A month or so ago, Chile dominated us on a November’s eve in London.

In South America, a continent that is generally hot and humid, it is vital that players maintain possession. To expect Rooney and co to chase people around the Amazon in July would be savagery and it wouldn’t bode well for our chances. If you can’t keep possession in a hot country then you will lose. That is why the Latin game is more considered, more tactical – one can’t afford to run for the sake of it.

As good as German football is at the moment; its advantage arises in its athleticism. How dynamic can a Northern European team be in a South American summer? Even Spain and Italy struggled in the Confederations Cup.

Back to Everton

We come into this game off of an excellent Saturday. In fact the only way yesterday could have been better, would have been if Mourinho head-butted John Terry, Lampard head-butted Mourinho and a domino effect of head butting ensued within the Chelsea team. Team morale would be in tatters; the press would be lapping it up. Plus you remember what Ghandi said: a head-butt for a head-butt and the whole Chelsea team will have a headache…

On the subject of headaches, a Chelsea striker hasn’t scored away in the League for a year now. And hilariously the only good striker they do have, they’ve alienated. Lukaku came to Chelsea as a boyhood fan. Drogba was sent to persuade him that Chelsea was the club and that presumably they presented the best career option.

Lukaku is an impressive chap, from the interviews I’ve heard, he’s intelligent and driven – the sort of player that any team would be thrilled to have. Mourinho has let him move club, severed all communication with him and alienated him to the point where, Lukaku actually sees staying at Everton as a career option. It tells you everything about Chelsea and their approach to young players.

Keep an eye on his situation Arsene.

The injury news is positive, with no new niggles surfacing from the Hull game. Sagna remains injured, which isn’t great, but if it means him being fit for Chelsea and City, then I guess we can live with that.

Wojciech

 

 Jenko                    Per               Vermaelen          Monreal

                                                 

                                     Arteta            Ramsey

 

                    Cazorla              Ozil            Wilshere

 

                                                 Giroud          

I have a good feeling about today, our midfield is extremely strong and the last chance we had to pull away in an important game (Liverpool), we did.

 

Cheers all, enjoy your Sunday,

DSC.

220 comments to Everton Preview | Lukaku, Ghandi and Mourinho

  • SaffaGooner

    Pretty sure it’s winter in July mate. The whole Southern/northern hemisphere with opposite seasons thing…

  • fraz

    Who or what is ghandi??? Hope you r bot referring to mohadas karamchand GANDHI.

  • fraz

    Mohandas *

  • fraz

    But cant fault you when one of indias own prime ministerial candidate refers to him as Mohanlal instead of Mohandas. Lolz

  • ARSENAL 13

    @fraz, the important thing is you got who he intended to refer. Then it doesnt matter if he spells him Ghandi or Mohanlal….

  • Gord

    Sorry, picking nits. Brazil is on the other side of the equator. The northern site for games (where England will play on the opening day), will be warm because it is close to the Equator. All the other sites are south of that, and will be cooler because it is their winter.

  • AL

    R.I.P Madiba.

    This will be a tricky encounter, Everton break at pace but we should be able to contain them. Let’s hope Webb clamps down on bad tackling. Just seen the dean award Fulham the softest penalty I’ve seen all season, and that includes the Ramires one.

  • AL,

    Agree with you that the Fulham penalty was soft but the softest of the season? Remember the last minute gift to Chelsea against WBA?

  • Ray from Norfolk, Virginia

    AL,
    There no softer penalty than the one given against Koscielny when Aston Villa came to visit us on the first day of the season, unless you put it in an even more ludicrous category of “unexistent” penalties.

  • AL

    Bootoomee, Ray
    You’re both correct, I was just trying to express my disgust at today’s penalty.

  • AL

    We are seeing a lot of these incidents where the attacking player changes direction and steps into the path of and seeking contact with the defending player, to win a penalty/foul. In all cases the foul should be goig the other way, its cheating. It happened with Chamakh v Arteta, Reid v Ramires, and in today’s match. Obviously there may have been other ones, but these 3 are the ones I have seen that I can think of. Villa deserve a call from Riley apologising for that penalty. I don’t care about Villa, fa from it, but I just wish to see fairness and dislike injustice.

  • Gord

    45 minutes away. No news on BBC about subway problems or similar. Lineup is out. It looks like Dominic got it all, good job! Nice to see Flamini made the bench.

    Szczesny, Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ozil, Cazorla, Giroud. Subs: Vermaelen, Walcott, Monreal, Fabianski, Bendtner, Flamini, Rosicky.

    COYG!

  • kay

    Not too long from now, we’ll start popping drinks, water inclusive for vegetarians like me. Let’s avoid everton scoring first else, we’ll draw the game. The best time to be a gunner is now!!!!!

  • Dec

    A good opportunity today to see Seamus Coleman as the future right back should Mons. Sagna decide to move on. I’d even put him on a par with Sagna but younger and better going forward.

  • Sammy The Snake

    November has always been our dark month, till this year. We conceded a single goal during last November, which is very impressive.
    COYG!

  • Brickfields Gunners

    Eye see you have taken the Gandhi quote quite out of context – yet at some level it’s enlightening !

  • GoingGoingGooner

    @Gord

    considering that the Southernmost part of Brazil is about 30 lattitude (equal to N. Africa or Florida)I don’t think the other locations will be that cool unless played at elevation.

  • AL

    That bench is starting to look scary.

  • gooner4life

    “Plus you remember what Ghandi said: a head-butt for a head-butt and the whole Chelsea team will have a headache”..you think that’s funny Mr F-Schanez-Callebo!!! well, that not..you are disrespecting a great man…and i think you don’t even care when you said “Mandela rest in peace. Incredible statesman and remarkable that he lived so long.” . you just seems to be sad that he lived so long…sad that you are an arsenal fan…

  • Gord

    @GoingGoingGooner

    I knew a person in Edmonton, who moved from Porto Alegre, Brazil to Edmonton in February (hottest time in Brazil, coldest time in Edmonton). That was a big shock for him. But, June in Porto Alegre averages about 20C, with record highs of 30 or so. Humidity averages 80% and 13 cm of rain.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porto_Alegre

    I would think the humidity may be a problem, the temperature looks not bad.

    —-

    As far as today goes, COYG!

  • AL

    Sky reminding us every 5 minutes of the possession stats. That should have been a yellow on Barry for his cynical foul on Ozil.

  • Gord

    From the BBC:

    > 1628: BREAKING NEWS- Arsenal draw Tottenham in FA Cup third round

    > What do you make of that, Gunners fans? A north London derby to kick off the new year…

  • SouthernGunner

    We will play Sp*rs at home in the next round of the FA Cup.

  • AL

    Howard the busier of the two goalies. And now to turn the screw in the second half.

  • Persian gunner

    Despite some bad passes, I believe we are playing wisely
    Giving the ball to everton, somehow, destroyed their plans for the game, which I believe would be based on counter attacks
    Kos is fantastic today, COMMON GUYS!

  • AL

    Barry could have been off had he been carded for his first offence. A few body checks, many of them stopping our breaks, from Everton went unpunished.

  • AL

    Mccarthy should have been off too, got away with another foul on Giroud in the first half.

  • Gord

    And the “unbiased” BBC has:

    About 17:20
    > Kevin Kilbane at the Emirates Arsenal 0-0 Everton

    > “Howard Webb does an excellent job. It’s hard for a referee to go through a game unnoticed but he does it time and again. He’s so consistent

  • AL

    Should have won, but credit to Everton for bringing the best out of us. Good game.

  • Persian gunner

    It’s soooooooooo unfair!
    We were punished for just one minute loosing concentration!
    I’m sad! And angry!

  • Gord

    I’m just reading the BBC commentary. The game sounded even, but I doubt that report about Webb having a good game. Is Wilshere okay after yet another team goes after his ankles?

  • I think the team gave a good account of themselves. In light if this weekend’s other results (which none of us were expecting BTW), I’m actually quite ok. Had we got this results before others played, we would all be pinching ourselves for our good fortune. Of course, nothing beats 3 points but we’ve just increased our lead to 5 points after 15 games. This is a crazy season and we just had our own no-so-crazy result.

    And how unlucky was Giroud!

    Well done Gunners! Now, let’s go to Naples and get the result that we need on Wednesday.

  • Yassin

    How to win om Arsenal:
    1-Everytime Arsenal counter or have a big chance foul them. Dont be afraid no yellow card will be issued.
    You can then fix your defence and regroup.
    2-hit wilshere until he loses concentration, again dont be afraid, now yellows.
    3-Giroud is on your side always, you can use him as by getting on his back to get the ball, yes u get it, no foul at all.
    4-stay offside, the referee will not notice.
    5-waste as much time as possible, the maximum you will get is 3 min, 1 min goes with a player on the ground, second you will make a substitute and them the third you will take ages to play the throw in.

  • Mandy Dodd

    A real shame just a little lapse then punished. The ref was very lenient to start with we saw a master class in rotational fouling but he did crack down on a few things as the game went on.we should have done better but faced a tricky opponent who were on a high so a draw and a five point lead is not the worst outcome. Seems the Gods of cup and tournament draws are not really favouring us this season! Will still beat the spuds though .

  • leany

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, it is so very hard to accept the result right now!! We had to wait until the 79th minute to see that beautiful celebration. Looked at our keeper at the last added minute, he was so … just like us all.
    An exciting game, at least.

  • Yassin

    And yes, who ever says luck is made by people, watch Giroud ball. F***ing get in, you son of a .

  • JL

    we werent at our best today. weve had some blistering starts the past couple games, and seemed to me that today we were a little slow out the gates.

    credit to everton, who i rate as one of the best teams in the epl at the moment. similar in many ways to southampton, they press very well, compact when they need to be, and can play possesion football. i think both everton and southampton could push for a CL spot this year.

    it feels like a gutting result after going up late on, and then to have giroud hit the bar with an absolutely spectacular shot at the death…just makes it all the more so…

    but i think its a good point, against a very strong premiership side on a day where we werent at our absolute best.

  • Yassin

    On the bright side, oh what a support today, thank you home fans, thank you tony, blacksheep, and all others from untold out there.

  • AL

    Webb let a few fouls by Everton go unpunished, they could easily have finished with 10 men had he awarded yellow cards correctly. Also he gave us a free kick when a break was on. I don’t think he made a big game changing decision but he made little calls or let some fouls go that disrupted our game, esp in the first half.

    I’m ok too with this result, either side could’ve won it, though we had the clearer chances. If you take Giroud’s last minute shot it’ll feel like two points lost. But this Everton side will cause many teams problems, and I had a bad feeling when martinez sent on that young man at the end. He’s good. Anyway, can’t dwell too long on this result.

  • sperez

    Webb was very good. No complaints.
    Arsenal were poor in the 1st half, create a couple of good chances around 40′ but Everton dominated. In the 2nd half, things were better.
    Wenger once again made the subs late. Cazorla was terrible, should have been replaced earlier. Flamini should have started instead of Arteta. Everton is a very fast and physical side and the Spaniard suffers against these teams.
    Walcott should also have come earlier. Everton were playing a high defensive line and Walcott’s pace would have cause a lot of trouble to Everton.
    Everytime Arsenal had the chance to widen the gap, they simply can’t do it. Against ManU was the same thing.Now, Everton…City and Chelsea ahead. Let’s see.
    If Wenger doesn’t add a top striker in the transfer window, this team will suffer with Giroud leading the line. He is technically limited(though he has improved this season) and his lack of pace make things easier for opponents. Let’s see if Wenger will gamble on a tired Giroud (with Bendtner as back up) and let the likes of Chelsea and City pick up the trophy.
    Persian Gunner, unfair? Why? Everton dominated Arsenal in the first half (Arsenal always have trouble with teams that press hard) and create good chances as well.
    About Brazil and temperature. England is worried about Manaus…Hodgson has already expressed his concerns over this ‘issue’.
    ‘We Amazonians also prefer that England do not come. We hope a better national side comes, with more football and a more sensitive, cultured and educated coach. Here is one of the few people in the world who isn’t curious about the Amazon and doesn’t dream of knowing Manaus.’ – The Mayor of Manaus (Arthur Virgilio Neto).
    Oh the wonderful tropical rainforest climate… At least Hodgson will get his excuses in early if England fail to qualify.

  • Chippy Brady

    all balming Howard Webb now- @ mandy Dodd- youre talking through your hole- The ref was very lenient- why is this a haven for paranoid delusional idiots.

    Everton played us off the pitch at home for 40 minutes. We have no striker

  • colario

    I would like to see the ref stats. PMGOL must be happy of our game

  • alex

    Well a draw look like a loss at times. It seems to me that Everton players look like fresher.
    I was expecting a win but a draw against a team in form like us it is not bad.

    Draw fair result.

  • Mandy Dodd

    So sad that you clearly cannot read Chippy Brady, if you are UK based try some of the excellent adult literacy schemes….assuming of course you are an adult?

  • And it begins…….

  • JL

    @sperez,

    hahah, your utter inability to be happy makes me smile…

    as for wengers substitutions, i cant see how you can say that when after the changes the team went on to score, then hit the bar. yes there was a defensive lapse that allowed everton back in, but i dont think that had anything to do with wenger making his subs ‘late’

    correct me if im wrong, but we now had a five point lead…thus a widening of the gap

    with giroud leading the line arsenal will suffer? 15 games played, top of the table, five points clear…

    oh sorry, i forgot to look at life through shit tinted glasses…actually come to think of it, i imagine you have been suffering this season sperez with giroud leading the line…long may it continue

  • Last time I checked the table, our lead just went up from 4 to 5. People, calm the fuck down.

    Apologies Mandy.

  • AL

    And here they come out of the woodwork.

  • bjtgooner

    Webb was cunning and deliberately or otherwise let Everton away with a number of deliberate professional fouls, starting with Barry; then we had rotational fouls on Wilshere – permitted for a while.

    However, the team fought really well against a very good if physical Everton side. I was a little disappointed with the draw, as I thought we were about to put Everton away, but, 5 points clear is not a bad place to be.

    @Chippy Brady – your comment to a lady is totally unacceptable, I hope Walter/Tony take appropriate action.

  • Andrew Crawshaw

    The draw was probably the right result overall. Webb didn’t have one of his better games and was rightly booed off at half time. Gibbs bundled over in their penalty area nothing given. Lukaku should have been carded for his petulant foul on Kos, Jack rotation ally fouled all through the first half, Giroud pushed in the back every time he went for the ball. Mandy you called it right!
    Having said that Everton were probably the best/most difficult team we have had this season and if they carry on in this manner will be there or thereabouts for a top four slot at the end of the season.
    We weren’t at our most fluent and at times were quite sloppy with possession. Need to be better in each of our next games.
    COYG

  • Tom

    I thought Howard Webb had a really good game.

    It was disappointing to see us start slow again . We began the game stuck in the second gear and stayed there pretty much for most of the first half
    There was entirely too much smiling and laughing about from Arsenal players just before the game started for my liking, perhaps lack of concentration ?

    In a way this game reminded me of our defeat to Martinez’s Wigan from April 16 2012 when for entire week before that game everybody was saying how dangerous Wigan was after they had just beaten and outplayed Man United at Old Trafford a week before, and how important it was to start strongly.
    We didn’t , and lost 2-1.

    Most premier League games between quality sides will go back and forth and it’s unlikely any side will dominate another for large chunks of the game but we can’t afford to not show up for first halves of games ( OT against United a few weeks back?) and expect to win .

    On the bright side, we did create more and probably should’ve won it in the end.
    Credit to Everton and Martinez .
    Did Man United get their managerial selection all wrong? I for one am glad they didn’t get Martinez.

  • Mandy Dodd

    And so sense returns to the discussion, and nice and quickly at that! We did seem to start slowly wonder if upcoming games having a sub conscious effect. Who knows. But yes five points clear and we have extended our lead over serious rivals so I will take that!

  • AL

    I can’t believe what I just read, that comment from chippy, had missed it somehow. That’s bang out of order, and totally unacceptable.

  • Mandy Dodd

    As for the quote attributed to the mayor of Manaus think many would agree on some aspects of limitations of English football however shouldn’t he and others hosting venues in Brazil be more worried about the basics of getting the venues built rather than concerning themselves about who will be playing in them?
    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25226088

  • Sammy The Snake

    A good weekend, we increased our lead to 5. One point at a time.
    7 points would have been better, but I can’t believe some have taken the knives out!!!
    Keep calm, we’re 5 points clear!

  • you must be joking

    DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!

    Even when they use your name and insult you (d’oh!).

  • Andrew Crawshaw

    Three important games coming up. We need points from all of them. Let’s look forward not back. COYG

  • Gord

    From Wenger’s interview at Arsenal.com

    >> on any injuries problems…
    > No.

    >> on the FA Cup draw…
    > Tottenham I’ve heard. There are not enough tough games, they gave us another one.

    Which suggests the kicks Jack took the ankle aren’t too bad. And I would imagine Wenger was smiling when responding to playing Tottenham in the FA Cup.

  • Chippy Brady

    No Mandy Dodd- first of of all-do not question my education- you know my standards are much higher then yours. How can you blame Webb for today- when we did not play for 45 minutes- bit thats webbs fault- you go on talking through your hole.

    And yes=-I was educated to masters standard in the UK

  • Blacksheep63

    First off thanks @Yassin just back from the Ems and a little hoarse…;)

    Make no mistake Everton are a very good side and will take points off lots of teams. Without wishing to upset Bootoomee again, this is a marathon not a sprint – you pick up points where you can. But criticism of Giroud is misplaced! he is a top class and gifted striker @sperez (or is it Spurez?) and leads the line really well. Delefou’s goal was very good, sometimes that just happens but I reckon this time last season we would have lost that game.

    So I am tired after a long drive home but happy and very proud of my team. Top of the league by five points and I believe this is the year we beat Chelsea and widen that gap. Citeh away? Tough one but the way Per and Kos are playing I have hope in my heart

  • Wow what a fuckin game? As Champions to be we need such games to give us the intensity of what will be happening in all our coming games I wanted 6 points in the three games but is we get 3 points
    that wont be bad either a draw at Man$ity another draw with Chel$ea and a another draw with Napoli will make my day.
    Any suggestions??

  • Drew Gray

    dear Chippy, you may well have a masters education but clearly you didn’t study good manners. You can disagree with someone without being rude. Perhaps its your age?

  • Chippy Brady wrote:

    “all balming Howard Webb now- @ mandy Dodd- youre talking through your hole- The ref was very lenient- why is this a haven for paranoid delusional idiots.”

    Why are you hanging out in the “haven for paranoid delusional idiots”?

    I share your opinion that Webb was fair but I cannot understand why your disagreement with Mandy Dodd’s opinion would be so vitriolic.

  • Mandy Dodd

    Well if you can actually read you clearly have a seriously limited concentration span inhibiting you from reading the few lines of my post. Either way not the brightest are you? Okay of course not be your fault.

  • Drew Gray

    don’t worry he’s on my radar 🙂

  • Blacksheep63,

    I don’t get why you think you could upset me. I’m glad we’ve increased our lead by 1 point although I would have preferred 3. I know it’s a marathon but this weekend, we just gained additional seconds over our closest rivals that we were already leading.

    One game at a time man. We celebrate when we win, we are sad when we lose. On days like this, we are grateful for our position. What I wouldn’t do is wait till something is won before taking pride and joy in this team.

    Thanks for your loud support at the Emirates today. I could here you and Tony loud and clear 🙂

    Onward to Naples!

  • Drew Gray

    🙂
    we were loud today, especially when Lukaku tried to nobble Koscielny and Webb did nothing. Tony was probably shouting too, that would have made him almost as angry as being served badly prepared cappuccino!

  • Gord

    @Blacksheep 63

    I am beginning to think that Sperez is a bot. But, I haven’t done much programming related to writing bots, so I am not sure.

  • Drew Gray

    i had to look up what a bot is and came up with this: “the larva of the botfly, which is an internal parasite of horses”

    seems accurate enough 🙂

  • bjtgooner

    Whatever education Chippy has or has not, his repeated and extremely vile comment does not sit well with a supposed learned mind. Further, his lack of correct punctuation and grammar does not suggest a tertiary level of education.

    Educated or not, such vile comments are not acceptable.

  • Gord

    I can’t say that was the definition I had in mind, but I can see how it might fit. 🙂

  • sperez

    JL
    Long may it continue those misses too. If Giroud has a poor conversion rate when he is in top form imagine when he’s tired…
    The midfield will score goals but in some games (against top sides) there are very few goal opportunities and a striker cannot miss sitters.

  • Chippy Brady

    Btygooner-I think you are a sewer rat

  • bjtgooner

    @Chippy

    I see you cannot even read my name.

    Also, I am not a sewer rat – rather a sewer rat detector!

  • Pete

    “Everton dominated”. “Everton played us off the pitch” [for first 40 minutes]. But not one single shot on target for Everton (or us for that matter) during that period. Yes, Everton had plenty of possession and looked dangerous on the break, but our defence was more than adequate. Our 5 minutes of domination at the end of the half resulted in 2 shots on target!

    The concern is that this is the first of 3 big games in under 6 days. Fixture planners really shafted us. Why did we have to play this game at 4pm on Sunday but the Man C game at 12 on the following Saturday? Couldn’t they have been reversed? Then a 9 day gap until the next game. Nuts. A very similar scenario prior to the other Manchester away game.

  • Chippy Brady

    @ mandydodd- its as much all Howard Weebs fault that we didnt gt 3 points as it is your parents for you being frigid. Chance to go 7 points ahead- met a good team- couldnt get 3 points- no shame not getting them (1 more than manure go). Admit it.

    As for you Bjtgooner- just keep copying what Bootoomee has to say- it makes more sense

  • bjtgooner

    @Chippy

    I note you have yet another unacceptable comment to Mandy. Do you get your kicks from bullying ladies? Whether or not you do, your repulsive mind does not belong on this site.

    Walter/Tony – time to take action on this creep.

  • Chippy Brady

    bjtgoner or whatever you are- as Tommiegun said to you before- there are no poice here- who th fuck are you? Some cunt in Nigeria to do? Go fuck yourseldson whattelling a UK per

  • Shakabula Gooner

    The pundits needed the relief the draw provided and we need the redoubling of efforts it implied…even as the week led to our increasing the gap from 4 to 5.
    Everton was very good but I think Walcott and, maybe, Flamini had played more minutes, we might have won. In the few minutes Walcott played, he impressed me greatly. His first touch was better and his decision making had moved up a gear. I will like to call it “Ozil effect”. I can’t wait for him to start having full games. And I hope his new calmness on the ball will bring about better finishing in front of goal. Walcott may be our secret weapon in the next 3games!

  • Chippy Brady

    No bjt- don’;t turn this into a man v lady shir to try and bully me

  • Chippy Brady

    BJT-

    You are the scumbag for the bullying- how do know Mandy is a lady- could be some scumbag on a scam/ You go take your tongue out of bootoomees hole

  • bjtgooner

    @Chippy

    I see you can’t get TommieGun’s name quite right. Why am I not surprised.

    Re bullying – don’t forget you are the one using foul language here, following extremely foul comments to a lady.

    You ask who I am – just an ordinary fan. However, who you are is much more interesting.

  • AL

    Troll alert, we have a troll/s on the loose.

  • AL

    So many spelling mistakes, wrong punctuation, all coming from a masters graduate to UK standard, supposedly. Not a very good advert for education in the UK I’d say, if indeed true.

  • TommieGun

    Not bad being 5 points clear beginning of December is all I say.

    I wish Theo got more playing time he was great when he was on.

    Let’s keep it up big match v. Napoli !!!

  • Chippy Brady,

    No one is infringing on your write to express your disagreement. But come on man, you don’t need to be vile at the lady. For goodness sake, she was not vile to you.

    I get into lots of rows here but not over issues like whether the referee was fair or not. It’s not worth rowing over.

    And please don’t insult bjtgooner by accusing him of copying my comments. It’s not a sin for people to agree just as disagreements shouldn’t lead to war.

    I’m appealing for calm from all concerned.

  • Double canister

    Mandy 7:43pm
    If that doesn’t work, there are other Adult works in the local newsagent for Chippy with more pictures and less words.

  • bjtgooner

    @Chippy

    For someone who claims to be educated to masters level you really are not too discerning.

    Mandy IS a lady – but even if she were not, she should as any female should, always be treated as a lady.

    I don’t remember you being around here very much, so I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but your comments of today do not show you as a nice character.

  • Mandy Dodd

    Bjt thanks for the support but wouldn’t worry too much about chippy his comments seem personal he may be some social inadequate I have met before on another board may even be someone who supports a team doing very badly and making him very unhappy

  • bjtgooner

    @Bootoomee

    I don’t think I repeated your comments – if I did I apologize.
    As you know, you and I agree on many Arsenal related points.

  • It feels strange that I am the peacemaker here to night 🙂

  • bjtgooner

    Blessed are the peacemakers!

  • Double canister

    Tom
    you say you used to play pro football.
    did you not think Webb was a bit shy getting cards out in the first half to to some fairly reckless Everton tackles?
    And by reckless I mean straight though the back legs of arsenal players and nowhere near the ball? No cards at all.
    Barry only got booked after 42 minutes, and you really think Webb had a good game?

  • WalterBroeckx

    Someone mentioned Webb?
    As I came home from my own game I could only see the last 15 mins or so. Or just before the Everton keeper was cautioned for time wasting.
    Now I really wonder how a ref that cautions a player for outrageous time wasting (and by doing that loses 1 minute of playing time at that moment) can come up with only 3 minutes of extra time.
    Extra time that was lost for 1 player acting dead for 1 minute, one sub taking one minute. And then Webb added nothing in playing time.

    I asked if they would allow us a 7 point gap. What I saw in the bit I could see was a ref trying to keep it at a draw.

    Just as I predicted yesterday.
    A job he also did last season or was it the season before when Tottenham played Chelsea. I then mentioned the same in fact.

  • bjtgooner,

    Please don’t apologise. We agree most of the time on this board and I believe that we have mutual respect for each other. I could have been accused of copying you.

  • Double canister

    Chippy
    ‘there are no police here’
    Oh yes there are.
    Adios, and jog off back to the lane.
    or le grove, whatever.

  • Chippy Brady

    Booioomee- Is a female Arsenal fan different to a male one?

  • AL

    Webb had a poor game, he should have carded Mccarthy and Barry way before he eventually got round to doing it. On no less than 3 occasions Everton players got away with fouls that stopped us from breaking, that would and should been yellows.

    On a another note, just wondering what happened to Matt? Just curious.

  • Chippy Brady

    As you for you bjtgooner- You are a multiple account holder- and a number of people hold that view.
    Do you think we are stupid? Sort it out before your exposed for who you are

  • Double canister

    Mandy
    don’t bait the master degree.
    he ‘s able to do that himself.

  • WalterBroeckx

    And what to think of the assistant that allowed Lukaku to go one on one with Szczesny at the end? How could he have missed that blatant offside?

  • Chippy Brady

    Mandy Dodd- Oh yes its all personal= its all Howards Webbs fault we didnt win- I hope this exposes who the muppet is

  • WalterBroeckx

    I wonder if some have had too much to drink or if their account has been used by someone else.

    5 points in front of the teams in second.
    We had by far the better chances to win this game if I can believe the highlights in my country (still couldn’t see the whole game but will try to do this tomorrow) and were extremely unlucky at the end.

    Winning against the small teams and at least drawing the bigger teams is how to win the league.

  • bjtgooner

    @Chippy

    Two interesting comments: –

    “You are a multiple account holder- and a number of people hold that view.”

    This comment is nonsense, but, I did think you were writing not just on behalf of yourself.

    “Do you think we are stupid? Sort it out before your exposed for who you are.”

    So you confirm that you are more than one, then you try a threat. Trying to threaten answers your own question.

  • Chippy Brady,

    It’s called chivalry! When a lady is being told to stuff things in her hole, honourable men don’t look on. I believe you know this as a UK resident and masters degree holder.

  • Double canister

    Chippy.
    It does indeed.

  • Double canister

    Just saw Abonlahor’s dive.
    He really loves the smell of grass.

  • Mandy Dodd

    Wouldn’t worry about chippy just another name for someone who does not like me very much and has stalked me on other forums. He is a serial multi ID troll and sadly for him supports a team who are a bit of a laughing stock these days and a team who actually lost to Everton midweek. Can see why he is a bit upset with life….and obsessed with defending Howard Webb!

  • Chippy Brady

    Oh yes…Does chivalry mean yuo care about Arsenal any more or less?

  • John

    Webb was very poor, letting fouls go and being very late to produce yellow cards.

    Yes, we were below our best in first half, but Everton did not create a single chance, whereas Howard had to make 3 outstanding saves. For all their possession, Everton created very few chances throughout the game.

    The rotational fouling on Jack and Ramsey was quite evident.

    Just because the commentators don’t mention these incidents, it does not mean that they are not happening.

    Per and Kos were outstanding, Flamini and Theo made a difference and Giroud was excellent, showing great technical skill, usually whilst being fouled. CJ had an OK game, but it is clear that we missed Bacary.

  • OMGArsenal

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhh the whiners and pessimists are crawling out of their sewers as soon as AFC drop points. these guys aren’t your ordinary glass half empty sort…they are the piss in their and your glasses until they are full sort.
    I watched the game on a poor stream and was impressed with both teams, a little less with the referee and even less with these sewer rats’ comments:

    1)Arsenal seem to be starting more slowly lately, perhaps due to stress,fatigue and effective pressure from their opponents,
    2)They are creating far more clear opportunities to score than in previous years but haven’t quite yet achieved the ruthlessness needed to finish off their opponents at home, anyway. Maybe another killer striker might be a welcome addition?
    3)The license to chop and hack Arsenal players seems valid for another season in the EPL,
    4)Everton played well and pegged back AFC fairly well until we scored. Their goal was a rare occasion when they got close enough to have a really hard shot….but it was well taken,
    5)Everton will definitely take more points from the top 4 before the season is over…they look like worthy aspirants to a top 4 spot, at least far more worthy than United, Spuds or Cheatski.
    6)We are getting the kind of effort from everyone at AFC needed to win the EPL and that is a positive as well.
    7)The result was just and represented the overall quality and equality of the game.

  • bjtgooner

    @Mandy

    No worries, Chippy has been well measured.

  • Chippy Brady wrote:

    “Oh yes…Does chivalry mean yuo care about Arsenal any more or less?”

    This is juvenile reasoning. Sorry, I’m out!

  • Chippy Brady

    And no Mandy dodd- as my username shows- I am someone who has been a gooner since the late 70’s- lives on the 7 sisters- a true supporer with a season ticket- not a ‘fan’ who watches a stream every week- I love the club-and go to every youth game, even up in brentford

  • Chippy Brady

    Bootoomee- fuck off back to Nigeria if you donmt like ir- i am sick of paying tax for your kind

  • Chippy Brady

    My family paid for your education

  • Chippy Brady,

    I’ve only been humouring you, asswipe. You are a secondary school drop out at best and you clearly don’t live in the UK. Those of us who do can tell from writing habits and nuanced lingo. UK xenophobes and racists don’t to talk the way you did.

    Masters degree holder? You are having a laugh! You couldn’t spell basic words if your life depended on it. You keep misspelling simple words despite being called out several times. Of course, how could you? You are an illiterate with access to the Internet!

    You are a retarded moron playing the fake racist/xenophobe/mysogynist on the Internet for attention. How sad and pathetic must your life be for you to need to act like this to feel relevant?

  • Chippy Brady

    Oh I am most certainly living in the UK- in London- and sick of paying for cunts like you- scum comng into our country

  • bjtgooner

    @Bootoomee

    Agree with you description of Chippy. He is the lowest of the low.

    However, it is past time for creepy Chippy to be red carded. Walter/Tony are you on site?

  • Chippy Brady

    fuck off back to Nigeria if its so good

  • Chippy Brady

    Chippy Brady, Dave O Leary,Pat jennings, Frank Stapleton, Sammy Nelson, Pat Rice. John Devine- FUCKING IRISH CUP WINNING 79 CUP TEAM-

  • Tasos

    Everton are a decent team, now managed by a very astute man and they will cause problems for many top teams this season. Champions League qualification is realistic for them.

    I thought Arsenal played the game as well as they could considering the insane TV planning of the fixture list this week. Arsenal are the ONLY Champions League team, from 32, that have been forced to play their domestic match today(Sunday).

    I believe this ridiculous fixture schedule with leave it’s mark on Arsenal and next Saturday’s early KO against Man City has been made much tougher for us as a result, whatever the outcome at Eastlands.

  • Chippy Brady

    Go fuck off you filthy africans. i had to employ security was diving off you coast you thieving bastards

  • highamsparkgunner

    @chippybrady Shame noone paid for your education.
    Anyway isn’t seven Sisters Spurs territory, judging by your comments and
    and disgraceful baiting of a female are you sure you shouldn’t be on Dear Mr Levy and not the best Arsenal site on the Internet.

  • Chippy Brady

    Well boottoomee- would you have got an educayion of I- ans my father befotre him wasnt paying for crimebags like you to be allowed into our country- the one Arsenal play in- NO

  • highamsparkgunner

    Also can’t quite believe your rascist comments , your name may be from the seventies but so is your rascist attitude.

  • John

    Regardless of views about football, vile, xenophobic, racist and obscene language should not be tolerated.

    Using racially abusive language is also illegal.

    I recognise Liam Brady as an Arsenal legend and it is disgraceful that his name has been appropriated by such a malicious person.

  • Chippy Brady

    highamsparkgunner- I wouldnt expect you- or anyone else here to have any undestanding of what it is like to live in London- or to have been in highbury- wanker

  • highamsparkgunner

    Shame such an Arsenal legends name has been adopted by probably the most racist person I have ever come across on this website.
    I find your views sickening and have no place on a website like this.
    I also think your fellow Irish supporters would be embarressed by your old rascist views

  • Double canister

    Chippy – you’r not Irish, so don’t bring us down to your sewer level.
    You racist fuckbag.

  • highamsparkgunner

    @chippy Yes you prick I have lived in London all my life and have had a son ticket since 1987. Guess my name highams park gunner isn’t much ofa considering its around 5 miles away from your shithole of an area you cock

  • Double canister

    bootoomee
    our visitor – with the masters degree
    “would you have got an educayion of I”

    hehe – he is a piece of work.

  • Chippy Brady

    Oh John- you are such a muppet.

    As someone who has gone through the youth system under chippy and been paid off i can tear you apart and bring you to court with a lot o evidence toporrow

  • dy

    I don’t see Arsenal started out the game slowly, it’s a high tempo, counter and re-counter sort of game. Both sets of players pressed and fought well all over the pitch. At the end, a fair one point each to both teams.
    Now the next game against ManC is a totally different approach, they don’t press high up but rather rely on individual skills and movement. Arsenal can deal with that, no problem. I would venture to say Arsenal has a better chance of coming out as winner. Just because we have a better defence all round game.

  • Tom

    Double canister
    You can dissect every refereeing decision , I suppose and argue it both ways.
    The way I view a referee performance is to see if during 90 minutes of play , the referee directly and without any doubt influenced the final outcome of it ,and in this game I haven’t found it to be the case.

    Of course that doesn’t make me right or wrong but it is my opinion anyway .

    Sometimes you underperform as a player or a team and today I thought we did just that.

    It’s Wenger’s job to figure out why our players started slow and try to remedy it. I remember he wasn’t best pleased about it after Man U game either.

    And sometimes you just have to tip your hat and say “well done” to your opponent especially when he isn’t known for dirty tactics and tries to play football the right way the way Martinez always have.

    If you want to get upset about a call or a non call,then how about the blatant hand ball ignored by Lee Mason in Tottenham game .
    Seems to me refs have kept the Spurs in the competition thus far . By my count it has to be 6 points at least for penalties given or denied in their favor.

  • Double canister

    Watch the youths in Brentford?

    Gottcha

  • Double canister

    Tom
    Thanks for the non answer.
    You’re the one who said Webb was good.

    And I notice the diversion to another club, watch the spud’s a lot?

  • Double canister,

    I am only laughing at his desperate attempts to get attention now. A masters holder who can’t spell words at Year 3 level. Pathetic.

    Anyway, we can all just metaphorically point and laugh at the sad little being.

  • Double canister

    Speaking of going to court,
    there is enough written (although very badly) evidence here to put on a court charge.

    As I know of every single one of the academy players who have been of Irish decent over the years I could probably help narrow down the search.

    Or else i have a funny feeling I could be looking at a shamrock rovers bigot when I see one.

  • Double canister

    Bootoomee
    I want to see his Lilly White skin peeled off his back.

  • Also, a masters degree holder would know that foreign students pay 3 to 5 times what the indigenous students do as tuition fees. He would also know that foreign workers are not entitled to anything from the UK government (despite paying full taxes and NI) for at least 5 years. But a secondary school fail-out would not know that.

  • Chippy Brady

    boottoomee- just be glad my family has paid tax for years so you and you kind are given permission to live in my country- the senal play in- where your wife and children will be allowed to keep their pussy

  • Gord

    @Bootoomee

    .. – …. .. -. -.- .– . .- .-. . … – ..- -.-. -.- .– .. – …. – …. .. … .–. . .-. … — -. ..- -. – .. .-.. – — — — .-. .-. — .–

  • Double canister

    Tom
    http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/08/arsenal-thwarted-by-dirty-everton-tactics-says-arsene-wenger-4223047/?
    But as a former pro, you wouldn’t see it like that at all, no?
    Because I saw it exactly the way Wenger did.

    Everton were good enough to get a draw without any leniency from Webb, but they got that as well.

  • Chippy Brady

    And if its not clear enough- I dont agree with letting the like of you in

  • Chippy Brady

    When in Rome- you cunt- but that does not apply in London- try it in Kampala or Lagos- where I have to get a police escort to go to work

  • Tom

    It’s different when you play or manage.
    You want every decision go your way and when it doesn’t you feel aggrieved especially when you believe you are better than your opponent and things don’t go your way.

    Every manager will protect his players and try to influence referees for future games.

  • Chippy Brady

    you filthy robbing cunts

  • Va Cong

    Chippy do you need help?

  • Va Cong

    Bootome Mandy canister bjtgooner I think we have a mental case

  • Mandy Dodd

    But chippy you say you have been a gooner since the 1970s yet you also claim you went through Brady’s academy. The great man took the youth academy job in 1996 so even if you were one of the earliest Brady youth team players you would be at most around two in the 1970s and probably not even born during that decade. Now go and sleep it off and stop trying to spread your silliness. Any gooner who knows his history just can’t hate Africans

  • Va Cong

    Well tony can back track chippys IP address and locate where he is if he is at home internet also track he’s id he is using so that he’s name cane be found too.

  • Tom

    As a matter of fact I do watch all the Premier League games on multiple screens due to my flexible schedule . If you happen to be in Chicago and want to join me and my Arsenal die hards for a six pack just let me know.

  • Va Cong

    Think chippy has issues has left the building Mandy. Weirdo. I agree with the rotational fouling though what you said. And maybe chippy is Howard Webbs bit on the side so is defending his honour and paid for his masters in I’m an alcoholic lol

  • Mandy Dodd

    Have to agree with you on the subject of dodgy Spurs penalty decisions Tom that has to be three or four game changing desisions in their favour so far this season. God knows what they would be getting if Arry was still there

  • Mandy Dodd

    Have a very strong feeling he is a manc in disguise Va Cong

  • Va Cong

    Was lukaku offside before their equaliser guys?

  • para

    We were poor in the first half, but this was because we were trying to save energy, but Everton was too good for us to play it easy, so we had to give them some pressure, make them realise that it was not going to be easy.
    One thing i never understand is, a big player barges into a not so big player, knocks him off stride and it is called strength. This aspect of football i truly hate. Yet i have noticed when our players do the same, we usually end up getting carded. Arteta, Kos do suffer in that way many times.
    And the Everton player that ran into Giroud (i think it was), turned and Giroud fell on him, got the advantage from ref.
    Anyway, knew it was going to be a tough game, and glad of draw, but if we were not too jittery in the first half, we would have put Everton in their places, but remember we have Napoli and then ManC, and it was good to not get any injuries. We WILL beat ManC i know, because they are, although full of costly players, still pretty cautious of Arsenal, and we can do it, so i hope Napoli game does not take too much out of us.

  • Va Cong

    lol mandy I thought he would reply to me call me a thief and I’m African! Then I can Ask him what his masters is in and offer him £2 to buy the lottery after all the tax He’s given me of my education.

  • Gord

    I wouldn’t count on being able to back track an IP. Reverse proxy’s, TOR, …. If the email address is legit, but it probably isn’t. I thought Bootoomee might recognize Morse Code, which is what that gibberish was. I looked at translating to Klingon. It looks odd, but I doubt it is practical.

    

    The above is a cut and paste of COYG into Klingon.

    As far as players and managers wanting to game the system, that is disheartening. I don’t think scorched earth wins in the long run.

  • Gord

    cut and paste didn’t work here, maybe some of you see it?

  • Va Cong

    You right para. I think using the upper body to lean and nudge is the way to do those it’s not a foul it super body strength. We just have to learn to play snidely… Would have been so sweet if girouds last shot went it. Could have said to my Manc friend there’s goes moyes dream of winning the league in your face!

  • bjtgooner

    @Va Cong

    Agreed, he seems a very warped person.

    I thought at first he was a colleague of another problem person – this second one has recently been seeking support from his pals.

    But it looks now as if Chippy has severe maladjustments. However, we are here to support Arsenal, not to listen to chauvinism, racism or general foul comments. My view is that he should be banned, so that the rest of us can then progress with the football debate.

  • Double canister

    Tom
    On your multi-screens, what exactly made up your mind that Webb “had a really good game” as you said at 8:11?
    If it was me you were in visiting to joining you and you mates in Chicago well thank’s ( I hope you meant everyone else here) thank you. I used to visit the place and it’s a great City.

    My memory of Webb, and I feel it’s confirmed again this evening is that he has a long track record of letting teams kick us. Actually I don’t think it’s genuinely anti-arsenal on his behalf, I just think he is a moral coward as exemplified in his pathetic World Cup final performance. He just hasn’t the nuts to stand up to bullies on the pitch. Or off the pitch when Ferige was around.

    Did it affect this evening’s game? a bit, but maybe not enough to change the final scoreline.

  • para

    Forgot, ManC has Bayern.

  • Double canister

    Gord
    I recognised the code, but I assumed it was a personal message.

  • Chippy Brady

    Mandy- your not worth the answer- but as a youth and worked-and lived in lodgings from a young age- I give Walter full permission to confirm this. Gunners look after their own-i know most of you would not know the meaning of that.

  • Va Cong

    Bjtgooner the debate was refs then it became racist and a bit mental? Like hold on where talking about tomatoes here why are you talking about cheese? And the price of cheese? Then Poor Mandy got a load of abuse for nothing?

    I’ll ask my friend Gord he does network security stuff maybe there are other ways. We could recreate the taken movie. ” I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want. If you’re looking for tax money, I can tell you I don’t have money… but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you don’t stop abusing Mandy – I will not look for you, I will not pursue you… but if you don’t, I will look for you, I will find you… and I will kill you.

  • Va Cong

    *Va Cong hugs Chippy Brady
    “It’s going to be ok chippy”
    *pats head
    “I’ll get you care bear for Christmas”
    XxX

  • Double canister

    he’s as Irish as Brad Pitt in Lock Stock….

  • Gord

    Nothing personal in the message. I believe Bootoomee is an EE, and likely to recognize Morse.

  • Gord

    I was wrong about what it was called (it’s not scorched Earth), but the idea of doing whatever it takes to win, I don’t think wins in the long run.

    I think “the game” (football or any other) where officiating is involved, works best if the officials are perfect. Every call they make, is for an infraction which did occur. And they call all infractions, and they do not call infractions that didn’t occur. In that environment, the skill of the players and the skill of management largely determine the end result.

    I don’t think anyone wins in the long run, but taking advantage of poor officiating.

    Unfortunately, it looks like the “short run”, can run to 20+ years. Hence, we have a generation of people, who think that gaming the system is what to do.

  • Va Cong

    Sometimes you play their game to play the game man!

  • Gord

    Trying to find the right term in game theory, I stumbled across what looks like an interesting paper:

    Ethics and the athlete: why sports are more than
    a game but less than a war
    Steven D. Stovitz, MD*, David J. Satin, MD
    http://student.med.umn.edu/p4p-new/sites/default/files/sdarticle.pdf

    It’s 11 pages long. I’m only on page 2.

  • GoingGoingGooner

    meh…we weren’t closing them down enough in the first half and giving up the ball too easily.

    2nd half better.

    should’ve knicked it there

    Ref…average…let a lot of their niggly fouls go…borderline yellows

    But we didn’t do enough to ensure a victory. Full credit to Everton – a pretty tidy side.

  • Gord

    I think that is a good paper for people. It is mostly handwaving in terms of argument. It has an example about racism, different than we experienced in this thread. The Summary starts with:

    > John Wooden once said, ‘‘Your reaction to victory or defeat is an important part of how you play the game. I wanted my players to display style and class in either situation—to lose with grace, to win with humility’’.

    A little over half a page of references, for those who want to follow up.

  • Gord

    Maybe I should expand on why I think people might want to read a philosophy paper written by doctors (sports medicine?).

    The Rec.Sports.Soccer Statistics Foundation has a website, with data (which I like) and other stuff. One of the other things I happened across there, is a discussion of cheating in football, including one aspect of cheating in football (that A ManU player named Ashley is good at). Can I say “splash”?

    In any event, this archived thread about cheating, had people from different cultures giving opinions. And this medical philosophy paper seems to support some of what I remember from the part of the thread I read.

  • marcus

    This is reality check time.

    1) AFC won’t win the premiership
    2) Refs continue to be shambolic…
    3) Dodgy scheduling by FA
    4) MOTD = smug overpaid a-holes. Condescending Hansen deigns to praise Merrtesacker and Kozcielny. Big Deal.

    Man C and Chelsea are picking up steam. Refereeing at best sub-optimal.

    Don’t get too excited folks, AFC will win nothing.

  • Gord

    @Marcus

    You are posting in the wrong thread, try the one before this one.

  • OMGArsenal

    Double canister…..if we bait the master (Chippy) does that make him a masterbaitor?
    He certainly is a sewer rat and a semi-literate racist egomaniac, and those are his better qualities. As most net warriors would say, don’t feed the trolls.

  • Gord

    I would imagine that Tony will pull that Chippy idiot tomorrow (tomorrow to me, today for Tony). I’ve no idea what what it was trying to accomplish.

    I think there could have been a nice discussion here, as most Gooners seemed to be okay with a tie. A discussion as to whether the refs were biased would have been useful. But, maybe later.

  • elkieno

    Chippy must have a massive hang over now, hahaha. a serious racist, the ones that throw bananas and make monkey noises.
    That is what happens when you drop out of school and your Mum is selling her body down on the corner and Dad is a drunk… Its no body fault Chippy, that is life and we all have to play whats put in front of us..
    Cheer up, there’s a good lad!

  • Gord

    I still think that Arsenal losing at ManU was unlucky. The Daily Star has an article (with video, I don’t do much video) supposedly showing that Everton played better today against Arsenal, than when they beat ManU a couple of days ago. If our game at ManU had of gone as it should, Arsenal would be at 38 points and ManU at 19. No place changing if that would have happened, at the current time.

    But, what that would have made apparent, is that it is very unlikely for ManU to win the league this year. ManU are home to Swansea in the FA Cup, and that game should be winnable for Swansea.
    ManU is through to the next round of Champions League, but I see little chance they will win Champions League this year. Which means if they finish outside of the top 4 in EPL, there is no Champions League for ManU next year. Supposedly, ManU has money to burn all the time. Most of the players that could help them in Champions League this year, are cup tied. Are there hidden gems out there, to pull their “arse” out of the fire? Maybe, but Arsenal has much more luck at finding those than ManU. So, any players ManU buys in January (or next summer), will likely NOT have Champions League to play next year. To attract top players with no Champions League, probably means big salaries.

    I think UEFA adjusted things, such that the winner of Europa League gets into Champions League (I could be wrong). But, it is entirely possible with how strong the current top 6 or so are, that ManU may not even finish high enough to be the Europa League entry from the EPL.

    Which means, marque signings have a slim chance of playing Europa League next year, and hence it is probably 2+ years before ManU could play Champions League again. At the current pace, ManU finishes at 55 points, which is well above relegation territory. But there was news much earlier about Rooney asking for a transfer, and news in the last week or so about RVP asking for a transfer. Who knows if either was accurate. But, if the two people providing offense for ManU bail, and there is no Champions League for 2+ years, I think ManU stands a small chance of being relegated this year and a much larger chance of being relegated next year.

    And none of this has a darned thing to do with who is managing ManU. This is what Moyes was handed, and he decided to take it. And if the ManU fans try to force Moyes out and succeed, I would say it is a given that ManU is relegated this year, and may not come back to the EPL for at least 1 year. There is just too much rebuilding to be done.

    The BBC had some comment today, or the last game day, about Moyes being a replacement for Wenger. No, I have never thought of Moyes as a replacement for Wenger. I think Wenger needs no replacement in the near term, and I suspect Wenger will find his own replacement. And that person, will be someone with lots of possibility. But, who knows, maybe the AAA is still around, and they get that person kicked out, and then Arsenal get relegated. As the people in the AAA don’t know their gluteus maximus from a hemispherical depression in the soil.

  • Gord

    Herald Scotland has this to say:
    > Arsenal and Everton yesterday played out the sort of match that would once only have been the preserve of an encounter at the business end of a continental league. This was a contest where possession was retained, passing was quick and accurate and the tactical acumen of both Roberto Martinez of Everton and Arsene Wenger of Arsenal was employed not just to create problems but to stifle the opposition.

    There is video in the article, and I don’t do video.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/continental-treat-served-up-as-part-of-odd-season.22896327

  • Gord

    Tragedy in Brazil. At the conclusion of the league, riots broke out and it seems some players were assaulted (maybe, while unconscious).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25294484

    Vasco da Gama and fellow Rio de Janeiro team Fluminense have been relegated.

  • Gord

    Being top of anything, is not a license to be there forever. Is the relegation of Vasco de Gama and Fluminese forerunners to ManU being relegated?

    One expects corruption in South America to be more of a problem than in England, but is the relegation of either team the result of corruption?

    In any event, ManU needs to tread carefully, or they could be relegated this year (or next year).

  • ARSENAL 13

    How wrong was I. I expected to see a bus depot, but nope. Well done EVERTON. Some of their tackle was borderline ones. If ref had set the tone early enough…..

    Was their goal a fair one?? Lukaku did an overhead kick, with Koscielny stuck to him trying to head the ball. Isnt that a dangerous play.

    But that was not a bad goal to concede, though I would have liked other wise….

    Giroud, what an effort. That should have gone in. And that acrobatic Ramsey effort, wow. We deserved a win, but they deserved a point as well.

    NOT a bad point I guess….

  • Gord

    Robbie Savage has a blurb about what ManU needs to do at the BBC

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25291341

    Chief among them, is for ManU to go cherry picking around the league to find players for ManU (and weaken the opposition). I think all EPL teams should put their phones on record as far as calls from ManU are concerned. Let them find their replacements elsewhere.

    It is not best for Moyes, but what is best for ManU and for the EPL, is for ManU to get relegated. And then to come back.

    Maybe.

  • AL

    I can’t believe the racist comments from chippy on here. Not trying to tell the site moderators how to do their job but surely that’s a more serious offence than copy and paste. I’m pretty sure even the police could be interested to speak with him because of his comments, which are racial, xenophobic and can be deemed spreading hate as well as threatening. I don’t think chippy is bright enough to use a proxy browser to hide his IP address. Even if he has done so this time perhaps he used his real IP at registration, or in earlier posts when he wasn’t having a rant. He can’t be allowed to get away with that behaviour.

  • AL

    Arsenal 13
    Lukaku’s overhead kick attempt put Koscielny off from heading the ball away, Wenger said it too. But I guess people aren’t singling that incident out as the reason we drew because Everton played well and noone is really begrudging them of the point.

    If only Webb had clamped down on illegal tackling early on, that definitely stopped us getting into our rhythm till just before halftime when we started moving the ball around quicker. I think the fact Everton were also good with the ball is masking the fouling they employed to break our attacks.

  • AL

    Walter
    Regarding the additional injury time, whose responsibility is it to signal how much added time there will be? Is it the ref or the fourth official? I noticed Webb pointing at his watch at the time he booked Howard for time wasting. But then the board went up signalling 3 minutes of added time at the end and I thought no, that’s not right. If it’s the fourth official then Taylor was trying to do his best to stop us again. But to be fair to Webb think he added about a min and a half to the 3 minutes.

  • Florian

    AL,

    Just checked out the recording on Arsenal Player, Webb did add 1 minute to the 3 signaled by a certain Anthony Taylor, so let’s say he made up a bit. Not enough though for what he did throughout the game.

    I watched the match at the pub, with the comments muted, and the posts here suggest I made the right decision. I was also expecting rough treatment from Everton to go unpunished, and that’s what happened. A guy there at the pub seemed to know that Webb was a prison guard, I remember having read somewhere that he’s actually a policeman, either way his views about brutality are far too loose for my liking. I bet Nigel de Jong knew that too a few years ago;) Hope Jack’s ankle is ok, and Ozil got away without anything serious.

    I also had the impression that Arsenal are putting in the minimum effort required to see them through the game. I wouldn’t worry too much about getting only a draw, I think it was much more important to focus on avoiding injuries and conserve our energy.

    I almost expect a similar approach to the Napoli game, we are capable of playing at the minimum level required to get a satisfactory result – it’s not like we need the full 3 points, a draw would be enough. I can imagine a bit of rotation in the starting 11, maybe seeing Theo and Rosicky more, and even TV5 paired with Kos.

    Also, I’m joining the people who are calling for the offenders to be banned. This is unacceptable by any civilized standard. I know I made myself guilty of some strong words in the past, but I never had the intention to offend anyone. This is totally different – it’s an offence done with purpose and premeditation – and deserves to be punished.

  • highamsparkgunner

    I thought Webb controlled the game especially in the first half in favour of Everton. I could not believe the rotational fouling being completely unpunished. The only surprise to me was he booked a Everton player first but he could have got his cards out much earlier. The linesman also seemed to be blind missing many things in front of his face. The officiating to me at best looked bad at worst looked bent.i was really disappointed that a Martinez team played like this I thought he was better than this but sadly not. As long as referees do not take any action against rotational fouling it sadly gives teams a green light to do what they want hence every Arsenal attack being topped illegally

  • Thanks for the kind words everyone.

    I don’t think Chippy Brady is any of the things he called himself. I won’t be surprised if he is tens of thousands of miles from the Emirates. With Google resources, anyone can claim anything nowadays.

    I do know that his life is sad though. You can sense that he enjoyed writing the stuff because he thought he was making others uncomfortable. But I deal with those issues everyday of my life in more substantive ways and pffffff I’m not affected by his racist insults one bit.

    It’s funny how some people think that knowing a snippet about someone gives them some leverage for insults in online conversations. It doesn’t. It says a lot about them though.

    If I know how to reach our poor friend, I could send him a few quids. Based on how he writes (bad grammar, spelling and all), he could use some help because we can safely infer that he is unemployable.

    Poor soul.

  • John

    A further reflection on the match: If an Everton player deserved MoM award, it was surely Tim Howard. His crucial saves prevented a comfortable Arsenal win, regardless of possession stats.

  • TommieGun

    Sorry it was my son’s birthday last night so I really just posted from my Iphone and couldn’t see all this RUBBISH posted by this retard inbred mongrel 4 year old wanker, chippy fuckface.

    Dude you don’t know who I am, I’m all for free speech when it’s about expressing opinions, not bullshit and swear words.

    Fuck off kid, I know you are frustrated because Man U are gonig down, go cry somewhere else.

  • Kenneth Widmerpool

    I really shocked to see the racist comments made directly to Bootoomee that were written here yesterday and the insults that Mandy got-neither of you deserved those words, which seemed worse in view of what you both bring here to this forum. All a bit bewildering and embarrassing.Im only too sorry to see it. Untold Arsenal needs you to stay and keep posting!!
    ps John Devine didnt even play in the 78/79 cup winning team( or in any of the games on that cup run), but he did play in the losing final of 1980…
    Now wheres my pal Brickfields to lighten everyone up a bit…?

  • marcus

    @Gord

    Why the previous thread? Sorry, I’ve seen this show 100 times. Arsenal are being nibbled back into the pack, and eventually a big money team, (MC / Chelsea), will overtake us and win the league. I am afraid that is the way the EPL works. Until the powder keg explodes, nothing will change. That being said, this match rigging scandal may actually be the fuse of the aforesaid powder keg sizzling away. We shall see. But the feedback from this game is the same as always, rotational fouling, ineffectual refereeing…..

    the Lukaku bicycle perfectly sums up the situation. Feet above the waist is always potentially dangerous play, but no-one in the bone indolent media has pointed out yet that the bicycle kick is a dangerous play, and even at the best of times, borders on the illegal, (it is not often you can perform it without a defender nearby). Cue Lukaku’s bicycle kick which prohibited Koscielny making a clearance….cue Everton goal. Cue referee doing nothing. Cue mind numbingly inept media saying nothing.

    Same as it ever was.

  • Mandy Dodd

    Thanks Kenneth and others for the fine words, but dont worry about me, I have experienced far worse than that on other sites fighting the good fight as they say! I will certainly be staying on Untold for the fine people and fine debate!

  • AL

    Marcus
    Agree with you 100%, that bicycle kick WAS a foul. Just watched it again and you can see Kos hold himself back from heading the ball away as he could easily have been kicked full in the face.

  • Va Cong

    Bootome does chippy know your origin? He defo went on one at you.

  • Va Cong

    Al it was a foul then, thought Wenger said he was offside before the goal went in!

  • AL

    I think we could’ve benefited from having an eagle-eyed assistant ref like Sian Massey, that goal would’ve not counted. Anyway, don’t want to appear like we are clutching at straws, best to move on.

  • Shakabula Gooner

    At some point, Chippy Brady was abusing all Nigerians and, indeed, all Africans in this string over a minor issue of whether or not Webb did his work correctly last night. I think that he also went beyond the limit of decency in his counter comments to a person who clearly identified herself as a woman.
    I believe UA should censor mot only off-topic posts but also crude and abusive ones too.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if Chippy Brady descends on me for this opinion.

  • Va Cong,

    I’m a black African from Nigeria. I came to the UK originally to do my masters; at a huge cost to me. I have since acquired 2 of those. I have been working in the UK for the past 7 years. My first degree is in Engineering. I have worked in IT but currently work in education. I am extremely proud and satisfied with my lot in life although I aspire to get better.

    I see nothing in this information that is worthy of being used as a slur. But again, the manner by which people attack others often say more about them than those they attack. I am very proud of my origin and I cannot see why it should be a subject of abuse in civilised circles.

    I have had several arguments with posters on this forum but I NEVER insult people’s backgrounds, profession, class or race. I prefer to insult people (if I have to) on how stupid they are and I usually use their comments as evidence to back up the insult. The moment people start using my race or nationality to insult me, I know have beaten them on logic. It’s my moral victory.

  • Brickfields Gunners

    Someone called me ? Had read the comments with a distaste in my mouth ,but then again am never too surprised with the youth ….so here goes Kenneth …

    Christmas humour from the dysfunctional ,the misguided ,you get the drift …

    The first present I opened this Christmas was a pen knife. I was so excited, I used it to cut open all my other presents. Shame about the puppy.

    Nothing like a dysfunctional family trying to function for the Holidays.

    What I don’t like about office Christmas parties is looking for a new job the next day.

    These were the printable ones ! Check out the rest at..

    http://facebookcraze.com/hilarious-rude-christmas-jokes-for-xmas-facebook-status-ideas/

    I’ve just got my son a flat piece of cardboard for Christmas. Although what he wants with an ex box I’ll never know.

    We were so poor in our house when I was young, that on Christmas morning, if you didn’t wake up with a hard-on, you had f*ck all to play with!

    I always get my loved ones petrol-soaked fake moustaches for Christmas. It’s such a joy to watch their faces light up!

  • Brickfields Gunners

    Some more ‘distasteful ‘ but funny jokes at ….

    http://www.jokes4us.com/dirtyjokes/thingsyoullneverhearawomansayjoke.html

  • Brickfields Gunners

    Lost in translation…..

    A guy took his girlfriend to her first football game. Afterward he asked her how she liked the game. “I liked it, but I couldn’t understand why they were killing each other for 25 cents,” she said.
    “What do you mean?” he asked.
    “Well, everyone kept yelling, ‘Get the quarter back!'”

  • Brickfields Gunners

    For some reason I felt like doing this today…….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

  • Brickfields Gunners

    More bad taste !

    The Bet
    Three Friends an Italian ,a German and a Greek decided to bet each other 100 euros who is going to make their wives scream more from sex. So they all go home to have sex with their wives and to make them scream. The next day the meet.
    The Italian says, “I made love to my wife for 2 hours and she was screaming for at least 1 1/2 hours.
    The German says, “That’s nothing, I start licking my wife for two hours and she was screaming the whole time and half hour after that.”
    The Greek says, ” That’s nothing, I made love to my wife for ten minutes, I came a couple times I wiped my Dick in the curtain and she still screaming.”

  • Ah bootoomee now I know what the mentalist is on about! Wow some real racist stuff going on there! So that is why Chippymonk said he has a masters.

    Racism is born out of ignorance, hair colour skin colour accents and you get judged before you know it! I’m sure you get alot as I do get racism myself sometimes I teach and laugh about the ignorance but some are just plain ignorant and you can’t beat them at stupidity they will always win hands down!

    Hopefully our rotational midfield can cope with the rational foul, I can’t remember who went in for the tackle with intent and Ozil went back just incase he got injured! It’annoying but even more satisfying if we win the league beating 12 men from each team!

  • bjtgooner

    @Bootoomee

    Well done friend, I am glad you achieved a lot in your personal life – it is a credit to you.

    That muppet Chippy reminds us all why racism must be eradicated from all walks of life, he is a total disgrace and I do not want to have to read similar comments on UA or elsewhere again. I hope Walter/Tony ensure he is banned from this site.

  • Tom

    I said in my original comment that Webb had a good game and I’ve gotten many responses doubting my keen senses of observation:) , so I went back and watched the game again( I know , too much free time on my hands) with emphasis on fouls and I haven’t change my mind.

    Here are some game facts.
    Fouls. Arsenal -13 Everton -11
    Yellow cards. 0 4
    Throw ins. 20. 25
    Total shots. 9 10
    Other stats are mostly even.

    For the amount of fouls committed by Everton , the amount of yellow cards issued is quite high.
    Unless it was your contention that Webb missed a whole bunch of fouls by Everton players , which I haven’t heard any one say, the suggestion of “rotational fouling” in this particular game is dead in a water for me.

    As a matter of fact the foul that was most deserving of a yellow was Gibbs’ two footed lunge on Coleman by the touchline .Coleman did Gibbs a favor by getting up promptly and carrying on as all Martinez’s sides do.

    My suggestion is . Save your ref bashing for when it’s deserved or you risk making yourself look silly.

    A tie against this Everton side is a good result and we are still 5 points clear so stop bitching and moaning people . 🙂
    Bring on the Italians!

  • AL

    Ah Bootoomee, you are ‘educated to masters standard in the UK’, thank goodness you don’t spell bad like certain xenophobic individuals 🙂 I was seriously considering going to go and do my masters at some institution in some far far far away land, as I clearly wasn’t impressed with getting ‘educated to masters standard in the UK’ 🙂

    You’ve restored my faith in the world-famous UK education system/standards.

  • AL

    Tom,
    Unfortunately I don’t have as much as you do to go and re-watch the entire game. But from memory I can tell you of at least 2 or 3 fouls that should have been yellows for everton; I recall someone jumping on Giroud’s back (think it was McCarthy) after Giroud had nutmegged him and got through 3 everton players. Had that player not stopped Giroud he’d have been away. Wilshere had his ankle trod on, cant remember by who, and the obvious Barry tackles on Ozil. Then there was another one when the ref should have given us an advantage but chose to blow and bring the ball back. Most of these tackles were when Arsenal was on a break, and stopped us in our tracks. These are usually yellow card, if not red card offences. Webb may have blown for some of these fouls, but they didn’t get the punishment they warranted. Not doubting your figures but they closely resemble the stats that are on the bbc website(though your shots total is wrong), and i’m sorry they don’t tell the whole story.

  • double canister

    Tom
    I take it back,you definitely were a former pro-footballer.

    Yes, of course we are saying Webb missed a whole bunch of fouls by Everton players.
    He didn’t book Barry until the 42nd minute.

    I look forward to your next upbeat assessment of an Arsenal game.

  • Yassin

    Al,

    You just cant forget the high foot foul on Ramsey on the counter which the everton player got a yellow for. ( damn red all day)
    Yes Webb wasnt biased, but he didnt issue yellow cards as should be, thus the more physical team gaining advantage, just like last season draw with them.
    And its not a coincidence we started playing just after Barry ( their diffensive mid) got a yellow.

    Tom

    Arsenal are most dangerous when they go at full speed from diffence to offence, or a counter. Now then the other team will be disorganised, leaving a lot of gaps, so the obvious, they will foul the one carrying the ball, called a professional foul, which yields a yellow card instantly. Now this player cant do it next time and thus cant stop the other attack. See how a simple yellow card goes to the disadvantage of our team. And its not only Everton, its who ever we play.
    Yes Everton are a good side, but really how many chances did they create?

  • Tom

    Al
    I don’t doubt your memory of that game but I know from watching Arsenal games in real time, I want all decisions to go our way especially when the score is in doubt, and sometimes upon the second viewing certain plays look a bit different then originally received.

    Wenger did question some of the calls but did admit it was a fair result .
    Would he have said it if he thought Webb tilted the game unfairly?

  • AL

    Yassin
    Yes, you’re absolutely right. Sorry I didn’t make myself clear, I was only talking about the fouls that I felt Webb should have punished but didn’t.
    Tom,
    I think Wenger gave a fair assessment of the game; he said we had to give credit to the young Everton player for scoring a great goal, as well as acknowledge Everton played well. BUT, he also complained they were guilty of persistent fouling, for which they were not punished for. He did say this gave them an advantage as that would stop our break, and if we initially had 4 or 5 Everton players behind the ball, their break would mean the game would resume with them having 10 men behind the ball. That happened quite a few times during the game, and given how incisive our attacks were, could’ve resulted in a goal. I’m not speaking about things I saw during the heat of the moment only. I did try to give a running commentary during the game, my comments at 5:59 and 6:20 were incidents I felt Webb let Everton off the hook. These were posted during the game and so can’t be accused of moaning and blaming the ref. I am curious though where you got your shots from, from what I saw we had 5 shots on target to Everton’s 4. It may be just an innocent mistake, but it creates the impression were ahead of us in all departments which is simply not true.

  • AL

    Meant to say “These were posted during the game and so I can’t be accused of moaning and blaming the ref after the event….”