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The astonishing depths to which the Premier League has sunk, and 10 things the next Arsenal manager must sort out

The astonishing depths to which the Premier League has sunk,

And 10 things the next Arsenal manager must consider

by Tony Attwood

English – not to say European – football is at a very low ebb.   Here we have a team that managed to win its Champions League group unbeaten and so qualify for the last 16, and that gained the runners up spot in the Premier League, the so-called best league in the world last season, and which is in the top four this season, and which is (and I know this because the media told me)

  • Full of malaise
  • Lacking in English players
  • Rudderless
  • Capitulation
  • Continual troubles
  • Awful

Now if that is the case of a team in the top four of the English league and last 16 of European football this year as for many many years in the past, (and I know it is because I read it on the internet) it is hard to imagine just how awful teams that finish outside the top four in the Premier League must be.

That a team so bad as Arsenal, so badly managed as Arsenal, and so badly run as Arsenal, can persistently be in the top four in England, and the top 16 in Europe must surely stress that football in Europe is in a truly, truly appalling state.

Because if a team near the top of the league – indeed the top scoring team in the league at the moment, and as I mentioned, last season’s runners up and top four material for 19 years is this bad, how bad are the teams below them in England and Europe?   Goodness, they must be so, so, awful.

Indeed it must be generating nightmares for the people running Sky and BT Sport to have seen a team as utterly, utterly awful as Arsenal (as I understand they are, reading all the commentaries in the media while I have been in Australia these last few weeks) win their group, be top of the Premier League for a while this season, and still be in the top four.   I mean how bad is the Premier League?  And how long will it be before the people who pay for it really start to turn off such an appalling league?

 

Some of this of course will come as a relief for the next manager of Arsenal who must be looking at the club and thinking, “wow, if a club that is apparently this terrible, this wrecked, this hopeless, this useless, under a manager this inept, this appalling, this lacking in ideas, can actually be runners up last year and fourth at this stage of this season, then my job is going to be so easy.   I’m clearly a better manager than Wenger, so this is going to be money for old rope.  The league must be totally crap.”

There might however be a few problems and I think it only fair to mention them.

To help the poor sap who takes on the job when Mr Wenger goes, and who is thinking that utter mediocrity and a total lack of ideas is enough for a top four finish, last 16 in Europe, runner’s up in the league last year and a couple of FA Cup wins in the years before here are a few things to worry about…

1: The aaa

They have been at the club since the days of Herbert Chapman, when they were called the boo-boys, and they are now more powerful than ever, having strong links to every TV channel, radio station and newspaper.  

The whole basis of this loose coalition of negativisits is that Arsenal are rubbish – they have no purpose and no point when Arsenal are doing well, so Arsenal have to be bad for them to exist.

No one, who has become a focal point and gets media exposure gives it up easily.  They will be there no matter what the new man does.

2. Talk Sport

This radio station gains its audience by getting the aaa on air, and if the aaa backed off now it would lose its purpose and its audience.  It would still be there, pushing its wild stories about injuries, lack of tactics and general hopelessness but it would act quickly to create a new aaa.  Watch out for them.

3: Sky and the English fixation

Sky has of late picked up on the notion that English football will be better with English managers and English players in it.   If the new man is foreign he will still be expected to bring in English players.  Lots of them.    The only fortunate part in all this is that since the whole Premier League is so appallingly awful that it allows a dreadful team like Arsenal to come second last season, it doesn’t matter who you sign.   

4: Referees

The level of evidence that there is something fundamentally wrong in terms of the PGMO and the way it runs referees is utterly and completely overwhelming.  The structure and approach is utterly different from that in all other major leagues and if the new man is not used to this he is going to get a shock.   It is not going to change any day soon.

5: The need to do better than the past three years

The very basic basic point for a new manager is that he must do better than the last three years of Arsenal.  That means better than two FA Cup wins and a runner’s up spot, with qualification for Europe a constant.   The dropping out of Europe as Chelsea and Man U have done, and drifting about in the Europa league like Tottenham choose to do, is not on.

6: £40m plus £1 and other fake stories

Fake news has focused on Arsenal for years, and the £40m plus £1 tale of Arsenal’s supposed bid for a Liverpool player was so outrageous that even the Liverpool owner admitted in a conference in the US that much of the story was an invention.   From day one stories will be made up by the media and other clubs and will be treated as true even when denied.

7: The “shambolic nature of Arsenal’s transfer business”

That curious notion (curious given that we have at the club such purchases as Alexis, Ozil, Santi Cazorla, Bellerin, Koscielny, Mustafi and the like) is in the Guardian today, so it must be true.   Sorting out the shambolic nature of anything takes time.  It could take years to sort out the transfer mess of a club that brings in truly awful players like this.

8: This power vacuum above Wenger

Apparently the entire club is a vacuum according to the press, with Wenger running the show.  But Wenger is a dolt, an idiot, a useless schmuck (I know this because the media tells me).   In short there is no structure.

9: Is there anybody senior at the club with extensive football knowledge?

That question is asked in the media today, and the answer they give is no.   There is nothing, the whole club is a shame.   Which again goes to show how awful every other club is that fails year on year to get above Arsenal in the league.

10:  Don’t mention the youth system

Best not to, so I won’t.

In short the only thing that will save a club that is as awful, useless and badly run as Arsenal is the fact that clearly most clubs in England are the same – otherwise Arsenal would be in the National League by now.

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68 comments to The astonishing depths to which the Premier League has sunk, and 10 things the next Arsenal manager must sort out

  • Stevo

    It should not be hard to replace Arsenal Wenger because after listening to Henry Winter on talksport yesterday afternoon, he claims that Wenger has been overtaken by all the other managers and is now hopelessly drifting in to the past. So there are at least 18 other managers in the Premier league that would do the job nicely, easy, just put them all in a hat and who comes out is the one for us. The arrogance of this journalist is quite unbelievable and to think that I once thought him to reasonable, although that was a few years ago now, is himself falling behind standards that he once aspired to. I shudder to think what will happen if AW decides to leave Arsenal, we must keep him.

  • The Journo has a point, not many teams in the Premier league have a budget as big as Arsensl’s.

  • Meusenge

    Steveo, it’s pathetic thinking like yours that this club will never progress.

    Wenger is a sensitive man. He can feel the pressure of the fans who don’t sing his name anymore. He can hear the upset andoverspills of passion. He’ll understand the aggressive tone in the questioning he’s been facing. He will read the negative press. I’d also imagine a man of his intelligence knows that he no longer has what it takes to cut it at the highest level.

    Bayern Munich wasn’t just a lesson, it was a decapitation for the crime of accepting the status quo. It was one of the most brutal spankings I can remember over the last few years, and look, we’ve all seen a few. Carlo Ancelotti showed how it was done. He pulled Wenger’s trousers down and whipped his legs with a bamboo cane in front of all his friends.

    The ashen-faced Wenger in the post-match press conference had nothing. All the excuses he’s hidden behind over the past decade were exposed as mouldy red herring. He had the transfer budget, he had the wage bill, he had the stadium ticking over and he had a clean run of not losing any of his best players. Yet he still came up short. Exactly what many of us had predicted through the money doping years.

    08 the same as 10, the same as 13, the same as 16 the same as last night.

    The story is that many of his close aides don’t think he’ll carry on. Apparently, there were heated exchanges in the dressing room after the game, some calling it a revolt. The worst thing about this particular schooling are the videos flying around after of players walking as Bayern pressed on, stomping their feet like they’re school children and shouting at teammates instead of tracking runs. The players are done with Wenger, they saw the noose tightening around his neck and they dropped a performance they knew would hoist him so his toes barely touched the ground.

  • Meusenge

    We have some monster games coming up which based on current form could very well see us put out of the top 4. A prediction I feared at the start of the year. He can’t let that happen, he needs to control the story. He has the chance to switch up the narrative. Don’t make desperate fans wait to know the deal. Don’t selfishly sit on a decision that could impact next season. Do the right thing. Call a press conference, announce it’s over and graciously allow the club to move on.

    That achieves three things. Firstly, it brings the fans back onside. If they know he’s going, they have the chance to say goodbye. Secondly, it puts the onus back on the players. They can’t not play for him, because the fans will destroy them. Thirdly, it allows the club to hire a manager early and let the succession take place at a good pace.

    Fans need to be positive about what the club can do. Don’t listen to the fear brigade, who have for years pretended this debacle wasn’t going on, now play the ‘I’m the rational voice’ card. Do not allow them to convince you that the club hasn’t given a thought to Wenger going.

    There’s no way that’s the case, it’s a stupid thought and I’ve been reliably informed it’s a nonsense concocted by people who haven’t been paying attention. Ivan Gazidis has access to some of the finest footballing minds in the world. There is no way a guy in his position hasn’t been thinking this over for at least 3-4 years. Secondly, understand that the new manager will likely take over a club outside the top 4 without a major trophy in 13 years. That is perfect. The exact thing anyone wants. No pressure, low expectations and a sandbox to play in. No CL is pretty much the perfect kickstarter for a new manager these days.

    Of course there are going to be teething problems. There would be at any club. Of course it’s going to be difficult teaching a team that receives zero instruction how to think critically and do things properly. But look, nothing is going to be more painful than being stocking filler in the Champions League. Nothing is going to more embarrassing than watching a man 10 years past his sell by date lose out to Leicester. Nothing is going to be as bland as 2 years under a man who has been failing for 10.

    Also worth noting that the club had never moved to a 60,000 seater stadium before The Emirates and got the job done on time and on budget, despite many naysayers saying it wasn’t possible. They ended up delivering one of the smartest moves in football construction history right in the mix of the most cataclysmic recession of all time. Not just that, the stadium became the second most profitable in the world and the club also worked out a way to become property moguls. Did anyone see that coming? No. I didn’t think so.

    I reckon they can pick out a decent manager with £8m in hand. I reckon they can look at what the smart clubs do and copy it. I reckon they’ve been laying the groundwork for a better Arsenal for many years.

    They’ll clear out the old school deadwood coaches. Priromac, Banfield, Peyton and Colbert will be gone. I reckon they’ll attack our f*cking awful scouting network. I reckon they’ll upgrade all the bits Wenger has been controlling with his iron fist. They might bring in a DoF of sorts who can help set the vision for the club and manage the bullshit politics. I hope they retire the board who sit there hoovering up money for their silence. They should replace them with a blend of business and football smarts.

    I really don’t think it’s as complicated as certain sections of the media, who have zero business experience, make out. It’ll be a shock to the system, but there are people out there sending rockets to space and curing disease. This is not a real world problem. Put the challenge in perspective.

    So just remember, change is a good thing. This freshener is long overdue. The club will not only survive, it will thrive. It might not bring success right away. It might not bring it the season after. But rest assured, we’ll scale heights like you’ve never seen before and it’s going to be a truly exciting rollercoaster ride of promise.

    One thing we must be sure never to forget, Arsene Wenger helped make this all a possibility. For that, I’ll always be grateful.

  • Saadman

    Tony, how do you view all this meltdown amongst fans and in the media? Do you think people are overreacting to this result? Do you think that instead of feeling down we should feel more positive about our current squad and the future of these current crop of players? Do you think Wenger is sacrificing short term goals for more long term ones?,Do you think in the coming seasons we might actually become one of those elite top 2-3 teams in Europe?

  • Freddy Uzambiana

    i thought this site SUPPORTED wenger. talking about the next manager and criticizing him is NOT support. he needs SUPPORT now more than ever. we will not forget you turning your backs on wenger as he loses one game

  • Freddy Uzambiana

    Saadman – yes. we need to be positive. with wenger we are on road to be the elite 2 or 3 with maybe real madrid and psg. but Tony sees a loss and it’s like wenger has to go

  • Stevo

    Meusenge
    I read what you say but at the end of it all would you please make a list of managers that you would deem worthy of the job, and one that would bring Arsenal forward as much as AW did during his term at AFC. How long have you been a supporter? My love for this club began in 1952 listening to the FA cup final. We lost that day 1-0 and ended up with 10 on the pitch, broken leg for Wally Barnes.

  • Well Josh it doesnt take many does it. Chelsea, Man U and Man C all clearly have bigger budgets, which is enough to push Arsenal into fourth.

  • Flares

    Lee Dixon is quoted today as saying it’s the first time he’s looked at Wenger and realised he’s thinking of stepping away from it all, based purely on the lack of response from his players. People have very short memories. In 2015 Pep Guardiola’s Bayern team replicated this result exactly, dismantling Arsenal in what was called a ‘masterclass’ by the press. Coincidently, Kos was also injured for that tie and never even made the pitch, whilst Ozil’s disallowed goal precipitated a similar collapse to that which we have just seen. And yet, Wenger continued, incrementally improving Arsenal’s league fortunes whilst enduring the same boorish barrage of abuse from fans and the media. However, Arsenal’s elephant in the room isn’t not winning the Champions League, it’s being in the damn thing to begin with; our fate was already sealed when we qualified. Go into this season sans CL football and we’re neck and neck with Chelsea or beating them hands down to the title, I totally believe that. In the event, we’ll never know if that would have been the case because history is repeating yet again. I find myself praying, bizarrely, that Arsenal go out of the top four, Wenger stays another season or two and focuses his final moments on winning back a trophy he’s already had his hands on, because his fingerprints won’t ever grace the European Cup in my lifetime, that’s for sure.

  • Menace

    Meusenge – you are truly a brilliant logician. When was the last time you made a change in your life? You write as if change to Arsenal is just an easy process of following your logic.

    When you get out of your glorious little world of Meusenge the Invincible & begin to understand that one defeat or even a constant set of defeats do not make our team & club weak. We are at the top of our league (oh dear but 4th is not top!!). We are historically excellent at what we do (consistent qualification to the CL despite the corrupt PGMOL). We play a cleaner game of football than most clubs & that includes Bayern. Our game is not supported by the officials who police the game because they have become corrupt through media contamination (evidence the Sun & Liverpool – incidentally the same organisation that had 5% equity in Chelsea, Man U, Man City & Leeds United).

    The most important lesson you have to learn is that it is never your call as to when Wenger decides to leave Arsenal. It is his call & his alone. Neither you nor the sick media who have no shame in their pursuit of a decent man with all kinds of allegations have the right or the upper position to pontificate on this man’s position as Manager of Arsenal.

    Change is a good thing. So why don’t you go to some far flung place & catch a cold!

  • finsbury

    there are literally of hundreds of millions of rea$on$ why the Arsenal get a bad press from those who aspire to be like Alan Partdrige

    This observable circumstance predates the reign of the current manager!
    If the stand up hacks don’t want to burst the Groaners’ disingenuous bluster filled footballs, then neither shall I!

    What can you say about lying toads like Henry Winter who attempted and failed to revise the diaster for English football that was Don Revie? Answer: not a lot! He fails in his attempts to revise history, he fails to explain to his readers how under Riley Enfland went from beating Argentina to losing against Iceland! The Arsenal are being attacked by toothless failures! Yet again. They must be very scared 🙂

  • para

    Arsenal has proven that it does not take a massive budget to top the PL outside the money clubs and indeed ahead of some, yet the final piece, the players have let us down again and again.

    So, are the players not good enough?
    We know this is not the case. They can hold their own against the best but next game just seem to lose it at critical times.

    A sense of players showing no passion or determination to do well, the togetherness that seemed to be growing in the team, it’s all gone out the window, again. Even Sutton Utd now becomes a much bigger threat.

    Maybe this is the ruin of “tika taka”(Barca’s heavy defeat), although i cannot remember when Arsenal played like that recently!!!

    What i see is everyone else playing like Arsenal used to, adding it to their game, leaving Arsenal to be out-thought and out played every time that Arsenal is not in top form. (When we truly are sharp, focused and firing, no team gets an easy game).

    Sadly, it has become too often now that Arsenal are not in top form.

    I want to know something is being done.

  • Menace

    Josh you sound like you would like Arsenal to succeed but don’t know much about the finances. Arsenal, unlike the top four or five clubs is a shareholder based Limited company. It is self funding in that it borrows from banks & pays back from profits. The profits come from success on the field, ticket & club aligned product sales (kit, shirts mugs etc), as well as brand associated advertising (logos on shirts, stadia & a variety of other areas including TV). There is also the huge revenue that is shared by the EPL for TV rights.

    Success on the field can be lucrative specially CL qualification. It is better than winning the League Cup (has had a variety of sponsors but not much prize money) or the FA Cup (better than the League Cup because it facilitates access to European competition).

    That is it in a nutshell. Wenger has concentrated his efforts on the economic benefits while being prudent with the Arsenal finances. His success is phenomenal because he has maintained a high standard in the football played & attracted quality players suitable to his clean (including drug free) football methods.

  • Menace

    para – foundation is critical in any structure. No passion from players? look to the fans. No passion but some idiots with boards so that the media can blast us with Wenger must go! When the fans show passion the players will respond.

  • Vivek Arulnathan

    As outrageously terrible as the AAA are, this article just shows that you think no matter who comes, they won’t be as good as Wenger. And the complete ignorance of the problems at this club is just ridiculous.
    Also let’s consider this. We have a budget that’s top 10 in Europe. So why can’t we get past the round of 16? Teams with lower budgets such as Dortmund, Atletico, Schalke, etc have reached the last 4 in the past few years.
    And remember, we lost the league to a team with less than half our wage budget? So please don’t insult others ignorance by stating that just because we have the 4th biggest budget, it is fine to finish fourth. Where is the sporting ambition in that?

  • Freddy Uzambiana

    wenger is only manager with a plan to get arsenal into top 3 in europe. support the manager. support wenger. iwobi same as ronaldo at this stage of carer

  • Freddy Uzambiana

    Vivek – Arsenal have small budget compared to Chelsea, Man City, Man U, Liverpool and Tottenham but ALWAYS come in top 4. Why? Wenger

    Go on social media and support the manager if this site is not

  • Percy

    I’m surprised that the commentators take very little note of how our relative approach to a mid-season break/fixture pile-up puts all the EPL teams at an enormous disadvantage in the round of 16 matches. It doesn’t always determine the outcome, of course, but whose position would you rather have been in: Bayern, had played five competitive games sice December 21, The Arsenal ten?

  • ARSENAL 13

    @Vivek,

    who the eff said finishing fourth is our ambition???

    Thats our minimum target. Dont confuse it with our absolute ambition which is to win the league, champions league and FA cup, and to do it the right way. The ARSENAL way.

  • ossasa

    Why no mention or analysis of the last game. Is it a trauma which is to be buried in the Untold unconscious. You pride yourself on analysis yet skip the more difficult facets facing the football fan. Like Wenger it smacks of nothing more than transparent self-promotion at the expense of the football.

  • Source: Swiss Ramble

    Arsenal’s cash balance stands at £226m, more than Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich put together.

    Chairman Sir Chips Keswick explained it’s his “duty to point out” that after excluding debt service reserves and amounts owed to other clubs on past transfers, the balance is more like £149 million.

    I would have thought it also his duty to point out what other clubs owe to Arsenal, but then why paint a full picture when you can obfuscate?

    Either way, one has to question the wisdom of leaving hundreds of millions of pounds sitting idle in the bank last season when interest rates were touching zero.

  • ARSENAL 13

    eff the analysis,

    The tie is not over yet. They still have to come here. And we have a break of 2 weeks to get a little rest and prepare for Liverpool and Bayern.

    Giant middle finger to the spineless-ditching-whining-bannerholding-midseasonabandoning fans.

  • Meusenge

    Be careful what you wish for, those who prefer the manager to remain espouse. Really? Can it get any worse than this? Luis Enrique, who has won two La Liga titles, a Champions League and two Copa del Reys in his three seasons at Barcelona, will be dispensed with in the summer because of the four goal defeat in Paris. Roberto Di Matteo was sacked by Chelsea halfway through the season after he led the team to the Champions League because of his failure to get his team out of the group stage. Football is a ruthless business… everywhere but Arsenal. So complacency is king, “Mental strength” a fallacy trotted out by the manager. He is taking £8.3 million a year out of the club (officially) plus bonuses. Which indicates that his remit isn’t winning trophies but turning profit. It’s football Jim, but not as we knew it.
    In every year since the stadium move, Arsenal have qualified for the Champions League and made it into the knockout rounds. So, 11 campaigns. In that time, Arsenal have won four knockout ties. Four ties in 11 seasons. They have progressed beyond the last 16 three times out of 11. For the record, the ties they have won were Milan (2008 – the last time Arsenal eliminated a genuine European giant), Roma (on penalties) and Villarreal (2009), and Porto (2010). Since 2010, the club have failed to progress beyond the round of 16 in seven attempts (let’s assume they do not beat Bayern 4-0 in the second leg). Granted, on five of the last seven seasons they have faced either Barcelona or Bayern. But hey, if you are serious about winning the trophy, you know what… you have to eliminate top sides at some stage. Arsenal even had the advantage of the second leg at home this season. But the manager did not prepare his team tactically for the opposition. Hence they were over-ran in midfield, hence the two wide attackers failed to support their full backs adequately and hence Francis Coquelin showed Arjen Robben onto his stronger foot for the opening goal. Arsene Wenger has never won a European trophy and that is because ultimately, along the way you cannot just rely on good fortune, but need some tactical astuteness to beat different opposition. Ozil should have been dropped for this leg with someone prepared to harry picked in his place.

  • Polo

    Somebody mention Leicester? They are heading for relegation at the moment, is this what the some want Arsensl aspire to be, win the league one season and then fight to avoid relegation the next?

    Since the only trophies that are relevant these days are the league title or CL according to the WOBs and from my observation on the Internet, the manager that most of the WOBs would like to see to take over is Diego Simeone. My question is: how many La Liga titles had he won since being manager at Atletico? How many Champions League had he won?

    Diego is a good manager but is he better than AW? I don’t believe so, parking the bus is shite football and if every team start adopting it, maybe there will be more action watching test cricket.

  • It would be interesting to see which team would park the bus should Atletico ever meet Arsenal.

  • Fransicos

    Ideal situation for me would be that he announces he’s retiring, we win the FA Cup and give him a huge send off.

    Love the man too much to be happy seeing him at another club, but love the club too much to want him to stay on.

  • norsgeneral

    Sometimes things just come to a natural end. Arsene has had two seasons since our FA Cup wins, to kick on. His real chance was last year, when the door was open, but we massively choked against, Southampton, Liverpool, Swansea and Stoke, when the title was up for grabs and his last chance was gone. This year we are going backwards, he admitted himself, we were not prepared for the start of the season, we are no longer progressing, but getting worse.He needs to sit down, and realise, another two years at this, is futile, make the decision, for the good of himself and step down, gracefully and with dignity. We then pay him all due respects for his service. What is wrong with that?

  • ossasa

    Arsenal 13
    Judging by your hysterical postings on match days we can safely assume you have not seen much of Arsenal in the flesh. Tough guy ….

  • Omo r'Arsenal

    Now I ponder, Bayern Munich had a winter break, had enough rest, played fewer games before meeting an overplayed Arsenal team struggling for form(any team loses form every now and then) who on top of that had the ill-luck of missing Koscielny for a very large part of the second half. And hell has broken loose?

    Arsenal ‘supporters’ who whine a lot barely consider if our players and manager have individual lives, families, friends and neighbours they go to in a mood reflective of each and every game we play. Surely, we cannot be more Arsenal than those who actually manage and play the game. If they owe us anything, I believe it’s reciprocal.

    The good news is that it’s not Armageddon yet, Arsene Wenger remains our manager, the squad remain and I remain an Arsenal supporter.

    In the unforeseen event of any manager taking over from Arsene, he is in for three-phased fights:
    1. Constant presence in Europe,
    2. Which means never leaving the top four; and
    3. Making into reality, the impetuous demand by ‘fans’ of winning the Premier League or Champions League alternatively every season.

    Tell me how easy that is.

  • Menace

    ossasa – patience there will be a review of every game we play in including the 5 – 1 defeat to Bayern.

    You must be really excited to see what happened. We lost. As for Arsenal 13 he has more passion in his left toe than you have in all of your dumb ass body. He has not seen much of Arsenal in the flesh, have you? If you have then you should be proud to have seen some of the best football ever.

  • ossasa

    Menace
    And imagine you go even less than your little friend. Menace says it all schoolboy.

  • Tommo

    A bit of tetchiness on here today. Bad results should not be taken out on other fans. If arsenal had shown half the aggression there is on here against Bayern things may have been different? The tie is not over yet. We have nearly turned these first leg deficits around in past seasons. Complacency from Bayern or wholesale changes could play in to our hands. Lahm is suspended too.

  • Menace

    norsgeneral
    17/02/2017 at 2:42 pm
    ‘We then pay him all due respects for his service. What is wrong with that?’
    You are. You couldn’t pay his cleaner. So where do you get the ‘we then pay’. So many idiots allowed access to vent bollocks.

  • ossasa

    Arsene’s little bitches.

  • Rosicky@Arsenal

    Good to hear Wenger staying next year.

    Now hope Alexis and Ozil sign the contract.

  • Meusenge one of the things that your commentary does is ignore context throughout. Here is one. Arsene Wenger earns £5m a year less than the manager of Man Utd and yet has a team that is higher up the league. Another, before Mr Wenger came along Arsenal only rarely played in the equivalent of the Champions League, or even the secondary cups.

  • Lulu

    Before Wenger came along you had to WIN THE LEAGUE to be in the European Cup which the CL replaced.Under the old system Wenger would have qualified three times.The post heysel ban robbed George Graham of competing in this competition.Justsaying

  • jimbo

    The usual over blown media reaction to Arsenal’s shock 5-1 defeat to Bayern,yet who really cares about what these fools have to say along with the glory hunting fan boys who frequent Le Grove and the Online Gooner.The spuds must be loving all this as they seem to have escaped any criticism of their 1-0 defeat to a weakened Belgium pub team..

  • Or if you want to put it another way Lulu in the 20 years of Mr Wenger we have come in the top four all the time. In the 20 years before we came in the top four nine times. The two years before that we came 16th and 17th and for part of each season looked like good candidates for relegation

  • finsbury

    Given the meltdown amongst the plundits and their hangers on amongst the aaa (ten years of failure chaps, for you!) one would think the Arsenal had just lost to a relagted team and come third in a two horse race…

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Mac

    Rosicky
    I would be very surprised if Sanchez is still with us next year ,even more so if Wenger decides to stay on .Theres one thing if Wenger stays on for the salary and doesnt practice what he preaces(Judge me at the end of the season)next year will become even more toxic and a lot more fans will be come disillusioned about our club and all that it stands for.Profit over ambition.No wonder the majority of Chelsea fans at the bridge were singing that they wanted Wenger to stay.They can see that we wont be a threat whilst wenger is still here so why cant the cult followers on here see.

  • Jammy J

    Meusenge – Stop copying and pasting all of your comments from other websites, you utter moron.

    He is a little tip guys – if a WOB/aaa posts a comment that is over 1 paragraph long; it’s usually copy and pasted from a different website. They aren’t exactly the brightest bunch and can’t think for themselves, you see.

  • If you can keep you head when all men doubt you

  • And are bla mining it on you

  • Maybe Arsene, you don’t fully understand what a fu@king mess you’ve got us into…..

  • Not afraid gunner

    Top 4 in serious doubt this season. There are about 6-7 teams gunning for top 4. Not sure Wenger can make it this time. Our midfield is terrible. Why does he keep playing Coq and Ozil. Ox and Niles with Xhaka would do the magic. Ox supporting the front three of Wellbeck Sanchez and Iwobi

  • Jammy J

    @ Klis – It really is such a shame that Wenger isn’t as perceptive/intelligent as you, to be able to see what position Arsenal are in.

  • Polo

    Yes Arsene you are so clueless and what a mess you got the club into, that the team is currently 10 points from top spot and 2 points from second spot instead of being 1 point from relegation. It’s time for you to go so we could experience being a mid-table club again. The negative hysteria from some so called ‘supporters’ is truely breathtaking.

    According to the media and WOBs, the majority of supposed ‘fans’ wanted AW to leave, however I haven’t heard of any planned mass protest like last season. Why is that I wonder? The only protest are from the whining keyboard warriors.

  • Zedsaunt

    ”Lahm is suspended too.”

    Who is this guy Lahm? Would Stoke buy him? What’s he ever won?

  • Mandy Dodd

    When Mr Wenger departs, I suspect any manager other than Eddie Howe will get the grief Wenger gets, and that said Bournemouth manager, should he be offered the job at the time, will find himself tragically out of his depth

  • ossasa

    We’ll see u again/we don’t know when/goodbye Arsene goodbye …..

  • Menace

    at last ossasa you are leaving -foxtrot oscar! snide little tube light.

  • ARSENAL 13

    @ossasa,

    You dont have to assume I havent seen ARSENAL in flesh. I’ve said it here many times, where I come from and how I watch ARSENAL….

  • Brickfields Gunners

    As I see it ….

    1. ‘them’ are NOT Arsenal fans .Their opinions never has , and never, ever will matter. Not to me anyway . Nor to the AKBs , either.

    2. 99% of true Arsenal fans either don’t listen to or care an iota for their alleged expertise and knowledge .

    3. The last Englishman to win the First Division title was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1992.
    – A Scotsman has won it 13 times with the same club.
    – A Frenchman won it 3 times with the same club , and in the last ,unbeaten.
    -A Portuguese has won it 3 times with the same club over 2 different stints.
    -3 Different Italians , A Chilean , and another Scotsman have all won it once.
    In most probability , another Italian may win it this season , so do the math.

    The last English manager to have won a major international trophy was Sir Alf Ramsey in the 1966 WC .
    The last English player to win the European Player of the year award was Micheal Owen in 2001 .

    4. Cheats. The whole lot of them . With Clattenburg’s jumping of ship at his prime , could there be some secrets soon to be revealed ?

    5. Since AW is going nowhere in a hurry , no need for any comment from me !

    To be continued …….

  • jimbo

    Most WOB (AAA) I bump into are complete basket cases,all with the same spoon-fed views of how AFC are so poorly run as a club.Brainwashed by whatever Talk Sport or the media drip feed them,loud foul mouthed and only capable of following a team who wins every game.I think a lot of these people jumped on the bandwagon when we moved to the new stadium and wrongly obtained tickets by their post code ahead of proper Arsenal supporters,yet luckily for AFC they seem to be leaving in their droves and being replaced by genuine Arsenal fans.The AAA tend to only be interested in the latest trends and most of them were never true gooners just followers of whatever’s popular at the time.A few years of mediocrity by our high standards is a good way of cleansing the club of these weak glory hunters.

  • ossasa

    Poor little jimbo won’t eat his dinner until the naughty WOBs have been cleansed from the earth. There there.

  • Yommex

    I’ m amazed that @Meusenge is not on the books of any of the top sides in Europe already. Arsenal should count themselves lucky that he’s still available. With his in depth knowledge of Arsenal FC and football in general, I think he’s best suited to take over from Arsene Wenger.
    What a waste of space!

  • ademiniyi

    Tony I think Leicester has that too right? Or maybe Atletico Madrid too?

  • Brickfields Gunners

    So continuing from the above …..

    6. The beating of drums is getting louder that Arsenal and Barca are to be involved in a massive exchange of managers and players , bowing to the wishes of their respective fans.
    All it needs is the finer details to be ironed out.
    Arsenal fans are ecstatic with the prospect of a manager of CL and League winning mentality and of course seeing Messi and the vampire in an Arsenal shirt.
    Barca fans are drooling with the prospect of watching AW’s beautiful football and the return to Spain of Ozil and Sanchez.

    As for 7.,8.,9., & 10 – the above move will also solve all problems of management , succession , and youth development .Every thought, word , move and all the latest development will be instantaneously transmitted by special implanted chips that the manager , the board , the players and the fans can be fitted with . Its like being wired directly into the internet .
    All for a competitive price of course.
    Its not as though your were selling your soul to the devil !
    No more need for the media , bitching ex-players , bloggers or even stupid fans . And no more adverts and pop ups !

    Subliminal messages and suggestions – si !

  • Brickfields Gunners

    REJECTS !

    A man boards a plane with six kids . After they get settled in their seats, a woman sitting across the aisle leans over to him and asks, ” Are all of those kids yours? ”
    He replies , ” No I work for a condom company. These are customer complaints!”

  • Brickfields Gunners

    This joke reminds me of the AKBs on here and ‘them’.Being on the wrong ‘plane’ and all.

    A beautiful young model boarded a plane to New York with a ticket for the economy section. She looked at the seats in economy, and then looked into the forward cabin at the luxurious first-class seats.

    Seeing that the first-class seats appeared to be much larger and more comfortable, she moved forward to the last empty seat in first-class.

    The flight attendant checked her ticket and told the woman that her seat was in economy.

    The blonde replied, “I’m a famous model, and I’ve never had this problem before. I’m going to sit here all the way, until we get to New York.”

    Flustered, the flight attendant went to the cockpit and informed the captain of the problem. The captain went back and told the woman that her assigned seat was in economy.

    Again, the blonde replied: “I’m a famous model. I’m sitting here all the way to New York.”

    The captain didn’t want to cause a commotion, and so returned to the cockpit to discuss the blonde problem with the co-pilot.

    The co-pilot said that he used to date a model like her, and that he could take care of the problem. He then went back and briefly whispered something in the blonde’s ear.

    She immediately got up and said, “okay, thank you”. She then hugged the co-pilot, and rushed back to her seat in the economy section.

    The pilot and flight attendant, who were watching with rapt attention, asked the Co-pilot what he had said to the woman.

    He replied, “I just told her that the first-class seats aren’t going to New York.”

  • Brickfields Gunners

    A more that plausible tale – …and that’s how I ended up in the Wardrobe !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a75PfHehspU

  • Brickfields Gunners

    FAKING IT – How to join the mile high club.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXLG4CMDzas

  • Brickfields Gunners

    THE LOGICAL CHOICE –

    A man wanted to get married. He was having trouble choosing among three likely candidates. He gives each woman a present of $5,000 and watches to see what they do with the money.

    The first does a total makeover. She goes to a fancy beauty salon, gets her hair done, new makeup; buys several new outfits and dresses up very nicely for the man. She tells him that she has done this to be more attractive for him because she loves him so much.

    The man was impressed.

    The second goes shopping to buy the man gifts. She gets him a new set of golf clubs, some new gizmos for his computer, and some expensive clothes. As she presents these gifts, she tells him that she has spent all the money on him because she loves him so much.

    Again, the man is impressed.

    The third invests the money in the stock market. She earns several times the $5,000.. She gives him back his $5,000 and reinvests the remainder in a joint account. She tells him that she wants to save for their future because she loves him so much.

    Obviously, the man was impressed.

    The man thought for a long time about what each woman had done with the money he’d given her.

    Then he married the one with the biggest tits.
    Men are like that, you know.

    My question is , ” Which one had the biggest tits ?”
    This question has kept me awake for quite some time now !

  • Brickfields Gunners

    BOOBS -the lot of them !

    Three priests were in a train station on their way home to Pittsburgh. Behind the ticket counter was a very sexy, shapely, well endowed woman wearing a very tight sweater. She made the three priests very nervous so they drew straws to determine who would get the tickets. The first priest approached the window.. “Young lady, I would like three pickets to titsburg.” He completely lost his composure and fled.

    The second priest goes to the window. “Young lady, I would like three tickets to Pittsburgh and I would like the change in nipples and dimes.” Mortified, he too fled.

    The third priest moves to the window. “Young lady, I would like three tickets to Pittsburgh and I would like the change in nickels and dimes. And, I must say, if you insist on dressing like that, when you get to the pearly gates, St. Finger is going to shake his Peter at you.

  • ob1977

    After the way we collapsed as a team against BM and the poor level of goals we conceded the least I hope for and believe Arsene deserves is a massive response from his players, i want him to stay but as players I don’t think the team is improving enough…

    We keep conceding the same goals in big games, individual errors costing us greatly, between allowing Robben on his left, falling over the ball and giving it away in your own box, even recently allowing people to run off you rather than taking a booking…

    The players are responsible for this, not the manager, and a part of me wants Arsene to leave if not just for his own sanity…

  • Stevo

    Yommex.

    Your last line about Meusenge, was it a ‘waste of space’or a ‘waste of Paste’?

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