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Palace due for a long wait before beating Arsenal again

by Bulldog Drummond

Continuing our review of the stats from games this season, Palace have 38 yellow cards this season (Arsenal have 27) and neither club has had a player sent off yet.

But they are third in the table when it comes to tackles – they undertake 18.1 tackles per game – only Chelsea and Huddersfield get more tackles in. (Arsenal are 16.2 per game).

Where they do work hard is on interceptions – they make 13.9 per game, and only one team does more – which is Everton.  Which overall suggests that working on interceptions is not necessarily the best game plan.

Curiously both sides are equal when it comes to fouls per game – 10.9.  The worst offender in the league is Everton, followed by Watford, West Brom and Manchester United.  What they don’t do is go in for a game of catching the opposition off side – on average it only happens 1.5 times per game – the third lowest in the league.

However they do go down for fouls a lot – Palace have got more fouls recorded against them than any other team except West Ham and Bournemouth.

Anyway, since we have two long term managers on show today, I thought it might be interesting to do a comparison between Roy Hodgson and Arsène Wenger in terms of what they have achieved.  These figures come from Wikipedia.

First Roy Hodgson

Team From To Record
P W D L Win %
Bristol City 3 January 1982 30 April 1982 21 3 5 13 14.3
Malmö 14 April 1985 15 November 1989 165 98 38 29 59.4
Blackburn Rov 1 June 1997 21 November 1998 63 22 18 23 34.9
Udinese 21 June 2001 10 December 2001 17 7 5 5 41.2
Viking 11 July 2004 20 December 2005 50 23 11 16 46.0
Fulham 30 December 2007 1 July 2010 128 50 32 46 39.1
Liverpool 1 July 2010 8 January 2011 31 13 9 9 41.9
West Bromwich 14 February 2011 14 May 2012 54 20 13 21 37.0
England 14 May 2012 27 June 2016 56 33 15 8 58.9
England U21 13 August 2013 13 August 2013 1 1 0 0 100.0
Crystal Palace 12 Sept 2017 Present 17 5 6 6 29.4
Total 602 275 152 175 45.7%

Arsène Wenger’s record is easier to get as he has managed many fewer clubs…

Team From To Record
P W D L Win %
AS Nancy 1 July 1984 1 July 1987 114 33 30 51 28.9
AS Monaco 1 July 1987 17 Sept 1994 266 130 53 83 48.9
Grampus Eight 1 February 1995 30 Sept 1996 87 49 4 34 56.3
Arsenal 1 October 1996 Present 1,204 693 275 236 57.6
Total 1,671 905 362 404 54.2

As manager of England Hodgson got a win percentage of 58.9% – something he only beat during his spell at Malmo where he got a win percentage of 59.4%.  However of a massively greater number of games Mr Wenger has got a win percentage of 57.6% at Arsenal.  At Palace Hodgson’s record is 29.4%.

Mr Hodgson did get Fulham to be runners’ up in the Europa league in 2010, and is also Knight, First Class of the Order of the Lion of Finland which sounds like fun.   Mr Wenger is a member of the National Order of the Legion of Honour as established by Napoléon Bonaparte which sounds like less fun.

Crystal Palace have only beaten Arsenal four times across the years – the first match was back in 1934 in the FA Cup (we won 7-0) but league games didn’t start until 1969.

Palace won a league cup match against Arsenal in 1970 which was followed by six games without them winning another (they beat us again in 1979).  Then there was a 13 match run in which they didn’t win a game until they won a league game in 1994.

Then there was a 14 match run until that awful 3-0 defeat in April this year. So if the pattern holds it should be about another six years or so before they beat us again, assuming that they don’t go down.

That 3-0 win of theirs in April was their biggest win against us, and just their third league win.  Our last decent sized win was a 5-1 in 2005.    Arsenal have only failed to score in two of their last 19 league games against Crystal Palace – the 0-3 loss last season and a 0-0 draw at Selhurst Park in October 1997.

So the teams…

Something along these lines if we want an attacking formation in the 4-3-3 mould…

Cech,

Bellerin, Mustafi, Koscielny, Maitland-Niles

Xhaka

Wilshere      Iwobi

Ozil       Lacazette   Alexis

 

A variation on the use of the same players could be

Cech,

Bellerin, Mustafi, Koscielny, Maitland-Niles,

Wilshere              Xhaka

Iwobi           Ozil           Alexis

Lacazette

If however we go over to three central defenders then I would expect Kolasinac to replace Maitland-Niles.   Overall the rest of the squad who are available looks like this…

Ospina, Mertesacker, Holding, Chambers, Debuchy, Nelson, Kolasinac, Coquelin, Elneny, Ozil, Iwobi, Welbeck, Walcott.   That would mean a beach of something like this…

Ospina,  Holding, Debuchy, Kolasinac, Coquelin,, Welbeck, Walcott.

Or something along those lines.

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15 comments to Palace due for a long wait before beating Arsenal again

  • markyb

    Not with good aold Mickey officiating

  • Chris

    Bulldog,

    your Hodgson list of teams coached is missing some. He did coach Neuchatel Xamax in Switzerland (1990-1992) and the swiss national team (1992 – 1995 / 6 wins, 3 draws, 7 losses) as well as another swiss team FC Grasshopers Zürich (1999-2000) as well as Inter Milan (1995 – 1997 / 37 wins, 11 draws, 13 losses) plus in Sweden Halmstad from 1976 to 1980).

    So his stats are better I believe

  • Chris

    I believe the table on Wikipedia is missing some teams he coached that are mentionned higher up on the page.
    well…wikipedia does not always have everything right it seems… !

  • Chris

    Just saw on TV that Pierce Morgan is pretty much taking credit for your prince Harry meeting his future wife.
    I mean some guys just have absolutely no limits….and no class

  • Merlin

    Yet here you are!

  • Swapneel

    3-1 to Arsenal
    Second half in progress

  • Menace

    How the TV bias looks for off side in an Arsenal goal but ignores Benteke when Palace score?

  • Swapneel

    2 goals by Sanchez in second half after Palace had pulled level

  • Swapneel

    Watching on Stream so not that smooth, but commentator is definitely biased regarding Sanchez saying he is playing great bcoz transfer window is upon us

  • 3-1 up and Lacazette taken off Coquelin on. Presumably Alexis centre forward.

  • Swapneel

    Now commentator has problems with Lacazatte been substituted, saying he should rebel.
    Martin Tyler is fcuking b**tard

  • Swapneel

    3-2 to Arsenal final score

  • WalterBroeckx

    Match report is on line

  • Merlin

    Very impressed with Wilshere today. The ‘pretender’ (Loftus-Cheek) was withdrawn after pretty annonymous performance.I think Jack has just played himself back into the England side.

  • Menace

    The whole lot of the TV pundits need an education in honesty as do the officials.

    Bellerin being held by his opponent within inches of the assstant who ignores the fouling & gives the throw in. What is the point of assistant if all you look at is who put the ball out? Select bunch of cheating bastards this PGMOL lot.