22 responses

  1. swiller
    30/03/2016

    You seem to have failed to read the whole document as barca paid the sell on fee in Suarez contract to Ajax of £8.5 million and the tax on the sale

    • Tony Attwood
      30/03/2016

      Swiller. The VAT on purchases and sales of players between clubs is never included when they are quoted – and for a very good reason. The VAT element is claimed back from the state and thus is in effect not paid. This is of course common among all companies within the EU as all the states of the EU have harmonised their VAT procedures across the Union. In this way all transfer fees should be immediately transparent and comparable, but the way in which both the Tottenham / Real Mad deals and the Suarez deal has been set out suggests this is less than the case in these instances.

  2. colario
    30/03/2016

    It is not just football that ‘lies are ‘covered in spin’.

    By ‘spin’ I think you mean: Lies turned round or presented as ‘truth’

    I would not be surprised if the aaa and wob are conspicuous by their absence on this article.

    I am going put your article on my facebook page as I have friends who are supporters of truth who support the likes of looserpool and madrid and barsoner.

  3. Azinoz
    30/03/2016

    Off topic but a serious question, I have only ever seen a reference to the AAA on this site alone, so is this a pet name given to disaffected Arsenal supporters by this site or are they an organised group and if so who /are their organisers?

    • Tony Attwood
      30/03/2016

      Azinoz – it is a name evolved on this site for the Anti-Arsenal Arsenal – the supporters who claim they support Arsenal but endlessly criticise the club. There is more at http://untold-arsenal.com/the-aaa

  4. Porter
    30/03/2016

    If there’s money, big business and politics involved you will find lies deceit and corruption. No real surprise there and no shock that it’s swept away under the carpet.

  5. Goonermikey
    30/03/2016

    And who the hell expects banks to act with honesty and integrity…….it is they that got us all into this huge, steaming pile in the first place……………..

  6. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin
    30/03/2016

    Nigeria is out of Afcon 2017 in Gabon after the Super Eagles were beaten 1-0 in Alexandra yesternight by the Pharaohs of Egypt. What a shame!

    The markmanshipless Super Eagles were just running up and down the field of play without hitting the back of the Pharaohs net. Moses and companions were playing to the gallery instead of hitting the back of the Pharaohs net. Coach Samson Siasia lopsided Super Eagles selected team were never going to qualify as other good and capable Nigerian players will not be given a chance to prove themselves on the field of play for Nigeria.

    I think the NFF President should resign as his administration has seen Nigeria twice in succession failed to qualify for the biggest Africa football tournament. He shouldn’t hid behind any excuses or mask. But take all responsibilities for the Super Eagles failures. Or let the Nigerian government remove/sack him. And Fifa should keep quiet should the Nigerian NFF President and his collegues be sacked. Because he who pays the piper should be allowed to dictates the tones sometimes. If Fifa says no to the Nigerian government sacking, then Fifa should begin sponsoring the NFF financially.

    I am looking forward to watching Arsenal on Saturday on my TV set. And I hope all Gunners who went for the international break qualifiers and friendlies have returned safely and healthly to London Colney today and tomorrow to begin training for beating Watford which MUST come to pass by God’s willing.

    Arsenal should thoroughly do their home work before they do any player transfer to Arsenal next season. So that they are not lied to again in the way and manner Liverpool co owner – Henry lied in the Luis Suarez’s abortive transfer to Arsenal. And amazingly, Brendan Rodgers and his Liverpool owners were not sanctioned by the FA nor by Uefa for their lies to deprived Arsenal singing Suarez had they been punished, it will sever as a deterrent to other would be liers in future. Even the hiring of a scout, Arsenal should thoroughly examined their options before they hire, so as to avoid hiring the wrong scout.

  7. Al
    30/03/2016

    Off topic, so Demichelis has been found guilty of betting, and I know they say there’s no suggestion he tried to influence matches, but you just wonder how that cannot be the case if he’s hedging a lot of money on the outcome of a match. Curious how City fans will take that news, on the back of some uncharacteristic and shambolic defending they have been seeing in their squad. Might lead some cynics to think maybe all that bad defending just wasn’t due to the loss of Kompany only 🙂

  8. Porter
    30/03/2016

    Bit simplistic just to blame banks. Governments took away the safeguards and it really was speculators that over played their hands. The people that face the public take the brunt from their customers but many in fact most lost out too .

  9. Andy Mack
    30/03/2016

    Al, I don’t know this for certain but I get the impression that Demichelis wasn’t betting on games he was involved in, so he couldn’t directly effect the outcome.

  10. Al
    30/03/2016

    Andy
    That’s what I thought too but you never know with gamblers. Picture this, he puts a lot of money on team A beating team B, and loses, wouldn’t he be tempted to bet on a match that he can influence to recoup his losses? He might not even do it himself, could ask a friend to place the on his behalf. It may all be a bit far-fetched but the trouble with gamblers is they lose a lot, can’t stop, and sometimes they resort to the ‘unthinkable’.

  11. Azinoz
    30/03/2016

    Thank you for the clarification Tony

  12. goonersince72
    30/03/2016

    “These days football is lies covered in spin”. Any article related to media or media coverage should begin with this sentence, Tony. It should be mandatory. Any subject covered by the media just fill in the blank: ____ is lies covered in spin. At least they’re consistent.

  13. jamiestunner
    30/03/2016

    Two important points:

    Suarez had a sell-on fee from his Ajax days

    The official Barca announcement made no mention of the transfer fee.

    Claiming a club lied because the press incorrectly guessed a transfer fee is just criticism for the sake of it, and a move you often make in order to make the arsenal management look “classy”.
    Now don’t get me wrong, Barca are no angels, and have been involved in a lot of shady dealings, but to attack their club for a 2.5 million difference in transfer fee between the actual values and what the press reported? That’s going too far

    • Tony Attwood
      31/03/2016

      Jamiestunner – it was Liverpool who put out the statement.

  14. Brickfields Gunners
    31/03/2016

    Azinoz – March 30, 2016 at 9:56 am – And in addition to Tony’s answer , some of us would add Arseholes and/ or Asinine to that mix , as our name for ‘them’ . The words are so freely interchangeable – just like their brains ( if they have one !) from their craniums to their cabooses , and vice versa !

  15. Brickfields Gunners
    31/03/2016

    And you can spot’ them’ here , as the love to use the DISLIKE buttons as if its going out of style !

    4 of ‘them’ didn’t like you question !
    4 didn’t approve of Goonermikey’s own opinion of banks !
    3 don’t like the idea of colario putting this article on his facebook ! You go Charles !
    2 didn’t like Tony’s reply to you .
    Anyway you get the idea .

    In the good news , SAA , did not get any dislikes . So I gather like me most are happy that Alex Iwobi will not be getting injured at those games !

  16. porter
    31/03/2016

    In many ways it shows a narrow minded approach that a number press the dislike button more on the basis of who posted rather than what is said.

  17. porter
    31/03/2016

    Nearly took 4 hours. Well done.

  18. jamiestunner
    31/03/2016

    On the Suarez issue,

    It’s illegal to speak to a player at another club about his contract.
    Bidding the reported 40million 1 made it clear that we knew about his contract. Liverpool could have easily taken us to court for that.

    • Tony Attwood
      01/04/2016

      Jamiestunner, I regret to say we are just on different planets about all this. In each case my understanding is utterly different from yours, and we get nowhere. In this case my understanding is that it is against football rules to approach a player directly about moving clubs without going through the club with whom has a contract. No one accused Arsenal of this in the scandal. But also this is a football rule, not a rule of the UK or the EU, and thus all Liverpool could have done had they believed that a direct approach had been made (and they never made this accusation) they would have gone to the football bodies not the courts.

      But as I say we disagree on all these fundamentals, and really I think it is time to stop and just admit we have no viewpoint or analysis or use of evidence in common.

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