REF REVIEW WEST HAM – ARSENAL: A new entry in the table of shame

49 Replies to “REF REVIEW WEST HAM – ARSENAL: A new entry in the table of shame”

1. So west ham should have had 5 red cards?
   Lolz were they so aggressive?

   Thats the physicallity we need not to complain to the refs for stupid things

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   Moving on, before anyone comments on any potential penalty incidents in this match for any team, I want to make myself clear using the discussion with Walter over the last week. There were at least 5 potential penalty related incidents. 3 for Arsenal and 2 for West Ham.

   1st, min 17′ Penalty on Monreal – Live footage offered a very unclear angle and even the replay was not clear enough to decide. So no penalty for Arsenal.

   2nd, min 48′ Penalty on Lanzini – Lanzini was already going down when Bellerin slipped. The going down movement was before contact was made. Contact was not deliberate as it was a slip. So no penalty for West Ham

   3rd, min 76′ Penalty on Giroud – Ogbonna pulled Giroud from the shirt. THere was also the impression that Giroud also was grabbing a bit of the defender. When both players are holding each other it usually gets ignored and will give the decision to the ref. So no penalty for Arsenal.

   4th, min 80′ Penalty on Welbeck – Difficult to see from the angle but it might have been that Giroud pushed the defender slightly in the back and so provoked the collision from Ogbonna on Welbeck. Defender couldn’t disappear in thin air. A bit like the incident with Bellerin. No deliberate foul in my opinion. So no penalty for Arsenal.

   5th, min 81′ Penalty Monreal Handball – Certainly no handball. Arms in natural position, close to his body in fact against his body. No handball and no penalty. So no penalty for West Ham.

3. Lol @ award. From the report I guess Carroll was playing with a wrench in his hand:)

4. These wrong decisions bring the season total against Arsenal to 100, in favour of Arsenal 7. No wonder we are struggling in fourth place in the table.

   There has been a concerted attack on us by the PGMO from day one.

5. 31 incorrect decisions in total! 31 ….. Terrible!

6. Arwar, if you would understand the reviews you would know

7. Quite unbelievable how inept these officicls are.
   At least it is getting highlighted in the media a bit more…in SOME games.
   But it is clear Wenger is going to have to set up to counter some,of these teams and refs tactics,,as they are not going away.

8. Mandy, I expect Arsene Wenger is constantly racking his brains to outwit the refs.

   But when you get this level of incompetence and bias it is rather hard. A hat trick by a player who shouldn’t have even been on the pitch just about says it all. Arsene Wenger made this point about Carroll clearly after the match.

9. By season end I bet every pgmob rep would have made it on the wall of shame, at this rate. Disgusting.

10. Pat, think the only way to do that is early goals, but not easy with these refs, constant bus parkers, and some of our strikers well out of form.
    And even early goals do not always work.
    The alternative, Ivan could raise concerns over fair play it on his FA league and other committees ….but we don’t seem to hear much from Ivan these days…

11. Well, if some of you are reading german, you will be interested in this story

    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/fussball-wm-petit-erinnert-an-das-schattenreich-des-fussballs-1.2956489

    Emmanuel Petit has been voicing doubts about the 1998 Worldcup, wondering if it was not ‘orchestrated’
    And says his doubts come from what he is seing more and more these past years happen in football.

    And he has won it all….

    Well, I think that one more horn is blowing and someday soon the walls will come tumbling down…

12. This was a truly incompetent PGMO official. The one in the Leicester v West Ham game was worse. How these two teams have players not banned for several matches is amazing. They get away with nasty tackles & the FA remain ignorant.

13. Mandy – history mentions many Ivans. I think we have been gifted with Ivan the Insignificant.

14. I was wondering that if a team like Barcelonacan have a purple patch why not Arsenal.
    But the so called fans are demanding Wengers head all the time.
    Pathetic.

15. Rosicky@Arsenal…why are people calling for Wenger’s head ‘so called fans’? Can they not support Arsenal and criticise the manager? Last time I looked we were still living in a democracy where criticism of those in positions of power was still allowed.

16. Hi Berry, I find your comments very confusing. We live in a democracy, yes. Some people call other people “so called fans”, yes. Are they allowed to do it? Yes, it is not against the law. Do I have to publish it? That’s up to me; I might, I might not. No one has the right to be on here as an absolute right except the site owner, just as no one has a right to be in your house except you and those you choose to let in. If you see a passing neo fascist knocking on the door you might welcome him or turn him away – that’s up to you. I can’t see where democracy enters the argument.

17. Chris – Kudos to Petit but there seems to be a smoke screen hiding some German dodgy moves. I still think Cruyff’s Holland were cheated by Argentina with the 6 goal gift. How officials work it is obviously easy as very few question or protest.

18. I can understand that some people think these reviews are bias but for anyone that actually watched the game twice, there isn’t much that can actually be argued about. 2 or 3 incidents per match at most. Yes the 41% could be more like 50-55% but that’s still a horrible piece of officiating.
    The most annoying part for a player is the decisions the ref makes in the first 10-15 minutes as that effects the flow and rhythms of your game (irrespective of the level of the incidents), and generally the majority of those decisions do seem to be going against us…
    That’s not to say that our players haven’t ‘mucked it up’ themselves in some games.

19. Menace 10.46, there was a time when I thought Ivan was doing a good job- but sadly, you may be right

20. Interesting article this morning on the BBC website on refereeing integrity/teams they support. Media seem to be getting more interested. Good!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36075347

21. Excellent review again Walter and Usama!

    OT: It’s interesting to see that in Germany, FIFA listed referee Tobias Stieler apologized for awarding Bayern a penalty for a Vidal dive in their DFB Pokal 2-0 semifinal win over Werder Bremen.

    Still waiting on Dean to apologize for most of his Arsenal matches.

22. Pete, I note there is no comments section on that BBC article about Ref’s and the teams they support so no opportunity to raise other related items (why no London ref’s) or debate.

23. The Telegraph is getting in on the ‘does it even out’ debate…..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/20/what-are-the-worst-refereeing-decisions-of-the-season-and-have-t/?

    The article is not exactly in depth, but guess which team comes off worst?

24. Mick,

    At least 300+ games have been done in the EPL now and the Telegraph selects 11 games of their choice and still came to the conclusion that we were robbed of the most points. This is the highly anti-Arsenal Telegraph we are talking about. So just imagine what would happen if they did analysed all 380 games in a season.

    Media and journalists are a different topic for which I have mentally prepared myself a “rant” (as the newspapers like to call it), which I will comment on later sometime. 🙂

    Thanks for pointing out that link.

25. Mick,Usama
    Exactly. There is not even the 3 offide southampton goals against us on that list. But we still managed to come out as the team most hard-done by. When the Sun did their own similar check from a handful of games mid-season, they also found Arsenal to be the team that had been robbed of the most points. It’s been like this for years. I know someone will soon come along to say we don’t get robbed by refs, you’re all paranoid, palace did not park a bus, bla bla bla. Let me stop before I fall foul of using foul and unprintable language.

26. Why Chelsea has been found to recieve the most favourable ref decisions by Telegraph.?
    Wasnt it Leicester?

27. Rosicky@Arsenal
    Chelsea got more ‘favours’ in the one match against us than all the other teams have got in all their matches this season!!

28. The implication in Rosicky’s comment is plain for all to see, Tony….those that criticise Wenger or want him out are not ‘true’ fans which is patently untrue. There are many fans, myself included, who have supported Arsenal for fifty years or more and find it insulting to be labelled a ‘so called fan’ simply because their view differs from Rosicky’s. A sweeping generalisation I would call it – something you picked me up on quite recently when, in response to an article you published, I asked whether that meant Wenger had to remain manager until he was carried out in a box.
    Yes he has a right to say it, but I also have the right to be offended by it and respond accordingly.
    I don’t want to develop a complex about this, Tony, but it does seem to me that on the few occasions I have posted on this site you appear to be very quick to ‘tell me off’ in a rather pedantic, school-masterly fashion. You are quite happy for Rosicky to make a sweeping generalisation about the worthiness of some Arsenal supporters who hold a contrary view, but choose to chide me on logical semantics regarding democracy. It does rather make me wonder whether you would publish a post by me that had the line…’there are some so called fans who think Wenger is still fit for purpose – Pathetic.’?

29. Al
    Or the 2 Swansea ones.
    Or the Ramsey goal against Liverpool which was wrongly chalked off for an incorrect offside.

30. Mick – what Chelsea got against us was an example of probably the most corrupt complicity between the FA & PGMOL. How the evil bastards chalked of Gabriels red card & then went on to charge him for not leaving the field of play (because of the chalked off red card) is truly an example of corrupt practice.

    Ok so you didn’t shoot the dead man. You’re free to go but you were in the vacinity so you’re guilty of manslaughter!!! The most pathetic assembled bunch of corrupt pontificating bastards. (so I don’t like them 😉 )

31. Arsene Wenger has been fighting this battle since the day he became our manager and it’s a damn shame that the Arsenal board have done it seem’s very little to help him.
    This man send’s out his team to play the wonderful football that has been a privilege to watch and time and time again the players get no protection at all from the referee’s. No these men go out of their way to bring this team down time and again.
    How on earth can Arsene Wenger win. We have other teams who park the bus and players making tackles which could easily end a carers and they get away with it all the bloody time. No protection from the ref and the Arsenal players no it as does the boss.
    The board should be screaming from the bloody rafters and this should have been put a stop to long ago.
    Now it seems people are finally finding their voices and more and more the media are taking notice because when this breaks and it will, the flood gates are going to open up and people are going to have to stand up and be counted. The world of football is beyond corrupt, when you have billions upon billions involved people get very very greedy but when found out they turn on one another and I would bet all I have that this is what will happen.
    Those who try to do it the right way are the ones who get the short end of the stick and this is what is happening with Arsenal. Wenger won’t be bought and what’s football to be as it should but he is in the minority’.
    Long runs the fox. This house of cards will fall and the sooner the better.

32. Another accurate and detailed report which once again shows the PGMO man in black to be totally incompetent and unfit for duty.

    It used to be that there were only two or perhaps three refs that we really needed to fear – now it seems impossible to find a straight one!

    The national game deserves a lot better than Riley and his little band of incompetents!

33. Just seen the images of Origi his injury.
    I have been calling for red cards for these kind of tackles for years now on this blog. Stamping down on someones ankle or foot is extremely dangerous and can cause serious injuries. For now it seems that only when broken limbs are on display that refs in the PL give red cards for this. In most other leagues they give the red card regardless if the is a serious injury. As it should be. If the foul CAN cause serious injury it should be a red card given. Sadly in some (too many) instances the refs even don’t give fouls for this when a player is not injured.

34. Hi Berry
    I’m firmly in Rosicky’s corner here. The problem I have with people who are always calling for Wenger’s head, like you, regardless of the occasion is they undermine the club’s prospects of winning things. The telegraph conducted an analysis of a few games to see if things even out in the end, and found Arsenal to be the team that got punished the most from incorrect decisions. The Sun conducted theirs early this year or late last year I think, and also found Arsenal to be the team that got robbed the most again. Untold has published tonnes of ref review that showed Arsenal are always on the receiving end of bad decisions by a mile (I’ve not seen any review that showed Arsenal getting more incorrect decisions than their opponents).

    So if three seperate & independent investigations by three separate & independent entities all reach the same conclusion, then that is irrefutable evidence of bias against Arsenal. Now instead of us singing from the same page, with one voice, we have people who unfurl banners at home or away matches, saying exactly the message that you say here, that Wenger should go. If they aren’t doing that they are banging on about Wenger leaving on every other media outlet available to them; be it print, online, talk shows or even in the pub. You (you & all those calling for Wenger to go) are legitimising the robberies we suffer weekly at the hands of these crooked refs. You give them the platform & ammunition to screw us even more than previously. They’re becoming more and more blatant, and as already pointed out, where there were 2 or 3 refs to be feared previously now it’s the whole lot. How can they stop when they know even the most blatant robbery will be blamed on Wenger, the fall guy.

    Instead of there being a postmortem that’ll place focus and spotlight on these referees you’re diverting the attention with your Wenger out sideshow. You’re giving people the excuse not to look at the referees as they’ll say after all none of the fans are happy as the squad and manager are rubbish. The more noise you make about Wenger leaving the more they screw us. You might get your wish but at what expense? Yes you have your right to ask for change but there’s a time and place for everything, and that’s not after we have been robbed blatantly that even a blind man can see it. You never ever demand these guys are taken to task; as soon as there’s a bad result, due to an obvious daylight robbery, you lot come here in droves saying it’s time for Wenger to go. Any attempts made to highlight the injustices are dismissed outright. It’s as if your desire to see Wenger leave blinded you to everything. So don’t question Rosicky labelling people asking for Wenger’s head as so-called fans because your behaviour is NOT consistent with that expected of anyone supporting their club.

35. Great stuff Al.

36. Spot on Al. Hang your head in shame HiBerry.

37. Having read the BBC article I just realised that none of those on the list refereed a game. They may have officiated but referee? never! Cheating thieving gits.

38. Al
    Tks for suporting my point of view.

39. Interesting that no media / pundit comment about the Everton offender, such as “He’s not that kind of player”, – “the poor lad’s devastated”,- “He hasn’t an aggressive bone in his body” etc etc.

    Must be because he’s not English.

40. To Al (11.17pm)

    Well said! My sentiments exactly!

41. @ Al
    Could you post links to the articles you referenced? It doesn’t even matter that this site ridicules the telegraph and sun newspapers when their articles don’t agree with the site’s thoughts. We will assume the article is from untold telegraph

42. upp
    Sure. The link to the telegraph is in Mick’s post at 12:41pm yesterday, but here again.

    The one from the sun here.

    There’s even a fourth one (after the sun’s, the telegraph, and 100s from UA) from the Metro here.

    Isn’t it funny that all these investigations by all these different bodies all come to the same conclusion, Arsenal would be top? Not one, and I mean none, of these analyses found any other team as deserving to be top had the refs not made these costly errors instead of Arsenal. All four conclude Arsenal suffered the most, and all these investigations are from this season alone.

43. As for the ridiculing of those papers, let’s not be drawn into that argument, as there’s plenty of reasons, hence justification, for that.
    Actually, if publications that are known to be unkind to us can even reach the same conclusions then surely that says a lot about how bad the situation is. But that’s besides the point anyway.

44. upp – the papers deserve ridicule with reference & deserve praise with reference. We forget you are perfect & dont have any reference.

45. @al
    Thanks for the links.

46. I think we can agree to disagree. I think the papers can say what they think. Agree or disagree with what they say. However when you fault their credibility because they say stuff you don’t agree with, you will have a hard time using them as credible source when they say stuff you agree with. So my suggestion is, attack the message, leave the messenger.
    Thanks once again for the links.

47. Hi Berry

    I’m arriving terribly late, but anyway… Having been an Arsenal supporter for 46-47 years I’d like to express my solidarity to You. I’ve been demoted to a “so called fan” as well and I’m sorry – but not the least surprised – to see You getting thumped down by the most obvious sources, who then take turns in (…censored…) in a jubilant manner. And for some serial insulter to say “You should hang your head in shame HiBerry” really is a tasteless remark although not very obnoxous by his own high standards.

    UA claims to be (and most of the time is) all about stating facts and backing them up with evidence. While I respect the values and Tony Attwood as a person, I unintentionally tend to disagree with most of the authors. Nevertheless I always try to justify my own views. And in Your case I really don’t understand anyone disliking a person for telling the truth (which btw is not synonymous to an opinion).

    I hope You stick around cause this site needs heretics as much as any other. Just ignore the one-trick pony bullies wherever you are. I’ve run a risk of being banned from here ever since my first post, but that’s how it goes when you stand by your assessments. If I were a head of a WOB-friendly site I would try my hardest not to resort to discrimination. I’d prefer words over mastery, because debate is essential and doesn’t happen without dispute.

    Yet bad behaviour is not to be tolerated in any course of interaction. And I believe it wouldn’t wouldn’t be a bad idea to promote this fascinating site with a spring clean amongst the most unilateral and vociferous “genuine” (as opposed to us “so called”) fans. Sorting out the incurable name-callers would make a perfect start.

48. If you don’t like the site and what it stands for then don’t come on it.
    No one is forcing you and you know this is Pro Arsenal and Pro Wenger so go find another site to vent because it’s only a waste of time and energy when you go down that road on here.

49. Tanks Al for ur incisive post wich has succintly submitted my sentiments;however, I wuld like to add dat dis Wenger out brigade are agents of a bunch of provocateurs who are envious of Arsenal nd Arsene achievements over d years ,dey believe in my opinion dat d only way to see Arsenal in d same boat wit ManU, Liverpool et al is to hound Wenger out of d way;dey are not hapi arsenal has no godfada like Chelski or ManC, besides, I sense some racist tinge in their clamour Wenger being French, dey 4get dat sports has no boundary as long as u possess d required skill nd conpetence plus d ability nd capabilty;dey are unhapi dat Arsenal is d only big club in d universe dat thrives on d ingenuity, dedication nd frugality of its financial wealth management; all dey crave for is TITLES nd SILVERWARES. As if Wenger nd Arsenal hve not bin winning dem;every fan has bin disappointed nd frustrated by d turn of events dis season including AW, players, board nd everyone who loves Arsenal bt to blame Wenger comprehensively for everytin as dis renegades do is to say d least insane nd childish especially so in d face of d anaylsis of d delibrate conspiracy by PGMOL to ensure Arsenal doesn’t win matches,no manager nd his team can survive under dis blatant irresponsible nd inconpetent display of referees weekly as we see. On tv nd read on dis platform regularly;in fact I feel distraught seeing some of dis wrong or no call situations on tv nd pity d players nd their handlers;dat d team is where it is presently is a factor of strong xter on display by d players nd gud management nd discipline by d manager nd his staff odawise maybe our players wuld hve bin getting an average of 2 red cards per match due to referee induced agression nd frustration; we nid to encourage our team d more by given dem unalloyed support in d of dis unwholesome situation. Question: is there no means of getting d Board to confront dis PGMOL situation? More grease Untold!!!