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REF REVIEW WEST HAM – ARSENAL: A new entry in the table of shame

WEST HAM UNITED vs. ARSENAL

  • COMPETITION: English Premier League
  • MATCH NO. 32
  • DATE: 9th April 2016
  • VENUE: Boleyn Ground (London, England)
  • MATCH OFFICIALS:
REFEREE: Craig Pawson
1st LINESMAN: Lee Betts
2nd LINESMAN: Darren Cann
4th OFFICIAL: Jon Moss

First Half

Fouls, Advantages, Cards, and Penalties

Time Foul by Foul For Description & Decision Points
03:08 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Laurent Koscienly (Arsenal) Koscienly was in control of the ball inside the West Ham’s half when Carroll came chasing from behind and launched three kicks on Koscienly in succession. The referee correctly gave a foul.

 

The referee then gave a yellow card against Carroll. This should not have been a yellow card against Carroll. This should have been a red card against Carroll. The yellow card was lesser punishment in this case which was wrongly judged by the referee.

 

With the ball well out reach from Carroll, the kicks had the studs showing forward and made bad contact with Koscienly’s Achilles heels, this incident cannot be considered careless or reckless. This was a clear case of serious foul play which involved use of excessive force. But no red card was shown by the referee.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 119

“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.

• A player who uses excessive force must be sent off

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 128

Serious Foul Play

A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

 

A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

 

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

 

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.

 

A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside the offender’s penalty area).

 

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

WRONG YELLOW CARD AGAINST CARROLL.

NO RED CARD AGAINST CARROLL.

1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

-3 (RED CARD)

 

06:28 Francis Coquelin (Arsenal) Manuel Lanzini (West Ham) Trip from behind by Coquelin inside the West Ham’s half.

CORRECT FOUL FOR WEST HAM.

1 (FOUL)

 

10:51 Dimitri Payet (West Ham) Nacho Monreal (Arsenal) Monreal ran forward towards the open ball inside the West Ham’s half, when Payet who slightly late stepped on the foot of Monreal. This should have been a foul for Arsenal but no foul was given.

 

This also should have been a yellow card against Payet for being reckless in trying to intercept the ball, but no yellow card was given.

 

NO FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

NO YELLOW CARD AGAINST PAYET.

-1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

 

14:58 Mark Noble (West Ham) Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Noble came sliding in two footed on Welbeck on and won the ball while slightly making contact with Welbeck. Noble then used his hand lift the ball out of Welbeck’s path and tried to gain possession by using his hand. The referee correctly gave a foul.

 

In this incident there were two cautionable offences committed by Noble.

 

First he went in recklessly two footed on Welbeck and won the ball slightly. Secondly he deliberately handled the ball to gain possession. He should have been given a yellow card but no card was shown.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 119

“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.

• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 121

Handling the Ball

Disciplinary sanctions

There are circumstances when a caution for unsporting behaviour is required when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a player:

• Deliberately handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession

• Attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball

 

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

NO YELLOW CARD AGAINST NOBLE.

1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

 

20:46 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Francis Coquelin (Arsenal) Coquelin was trying to head the ball inside the Arsenal’s half when Carroll used his hands to pull Coquelin away. This should have been a foul for Arsenal but no foul was given.

NO FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

-1 (FOUL)

 

20:50 Michail Antonio (West Ham) Nacho Monreal (Arsenal) Antonio pushed Monreal in the back and Monreal lost his balance inside the Arsenal’s half. This should have been a foul for Arsenal but no foul was given.

NO FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

-1 (FOUL)

 

21:24 Manuel Lanzini (West Ham) Hector Bellerin (Arsenal) Bellerin made a clean sliding tackle on Lanzini, when Lanzini jumped up slightly and landed in two footed studs showing stamp on Bellerin’s ankle and foot. This should have been a foul for Arsenal but no foul was given.

 

This also should have been a red card against Lanzini for committing serious foul play for stamping the opponent two footed. But no red card was given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 128

Serious Foul Play

A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

 

A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

 

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

 

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.

 

A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside the offender’s penalty area).

 

NO FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

NO RED CARD AGAINST LANZINI.

-1 (FOUL)

-3 (RED CARD)

 

22:30 Francis Coquelin (Arsenal) Michail Antonio (West Ham) Antonio was running forward inside the Arsenal’s half when Coquelin brought him down at speed. The referee correctly gave a foul.

 

But this should have been yellow card against Coquelin for committing an attack breaking foul, but no cards were given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 125

Cautions for Unsporting Behaviour

There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:

• Commits in a reckless manner one of the seven offences that incur a direct free kick

• Commits a foul for the tactical purpose of interfering with or breaking up a promising attack

• Holds an opponent for the tactical purpose of pulling the opponent away from the ball or preventing the opponent from getting to the ball

 

CORRECT FOUL FOR WEST HAM.

NO YELLOW CARD AGAINST COQUELIN.

1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

 

24:40 James Tomkins (West Ham) Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Tomkins pushed Welbeck in the back inside the West Ham’s half.

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

1 (FOUL)

 

27:15 Alexis Sanchez (Arsenal) Dimitri Payet (West Ham) Slight trip from Sanchez on Payet led to Sanchez falling on Payet inside the Arsenal’s half.

CORRECT FOUL FOR WEST HAM.

1 (FOUL)

 

42:41 Mark Noble (West Ham)   Gabriel a was trying to clear the ball inside the Arsenal’s penalty area when Noble who lying down leapt forward on the ball with his head first. That is a clear foul because he made the ball unplayable without bringing himself in danger. This is like a low header. A person going in low to head a ball is bringing himself in danger and should be penalized if he gets hit. He also touched the ball with his arms. Ref should have stopped play and give an indirect free kick to Arsenal. You can allow players to fall on the ball but in this case it was a deliberate act and it was a foul

NO FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

 

-1 (FOUL)

 

Number of Correct Fouls for Arsenal – 3

Number of Correct Fouls for West Ham – 3

Total Number of Correct Fouls – 6 [6 points]

 

Number of Incorrect Fouls against Arsenal – 5

Number of Incorrect Fouls against West Ham – 0

Total Number of Incorrect Fouls – 5 [5 points]

 

Number of Correct Yellow Cards for Arsenal – 0

Number of Correct Yellow Cards for West Ham – 0

Total Number of Correct Yellow Cards – 0

Number of Incorrect Yellow Cards against Arsenal – 2

Number of Incorrect Yellow Cards against West Ham – 2

Total Number of Incorrect Yellow Cards – 4 [8 points]

 

Number of Correct Red Cards for Arsenal – 0

Number of Correct Red Cards for West Ham – 0

Total Number of Correct Red Cards – 0

 

Number of Incorrect Red Cards against Arsenal – 2

Number of Incorrect Red Cards against West Ham – 0

Total Number of Incorrect Red Cards – 2 [6 points]

Offsides

Time Player Offside Defending Player Description & Decision Points
00:56 Manuel Lanzini (West Ham) Laurent Koscienly (Arsenal) Lanzini was in offside position. Assistant Ref Darren Cann made the correct call.

CORRECT OFFSIDE FOR ARSENAL.

1 (OFFSIDE)
13:02 Manuel Lanzini (West Ham) Hector Bellerin (Arsenal) Lanzini was well onside behind Bellerin. Assistant Ref Darren Cann made the wrong call.

WRONG OFFSIDE AGAINST WEST HAM.

-1 (OFFSIDE)
Number of Correct Offsides for Arsenal – 1

Number of Correct Offsides for West Ham – 0

Total Number of Correct Offsides – 1 [1 points]

Number of Incorrect Offsides against Arsenal – 0

Number of Incorrect Offsides against West Ham – 1

Total Number of Incorrect Offsides – 1 [1 points]

Goals

Time Goal Scorer Description & Decision Points
13:03 Manuel Lanzini (West Ham) REFER to OFFSIDES at Minute 13:02 Lanzini scored off a shot from Carroll and he was clearly onside, when the Assistant Ref Darren Cann wrongly called an offside and wrongly disallowed West Ham’s goal. This should have been a goal for West Ham.

NO GOAL FOR WEST HAM.

-3 (GOAL)
17:12 Mesut Ozil (Arsenal) Marginally onside/level with Ogbonna. Clean Goal.

CORRECT GOAL FOR ARSENAL.

3 (GOAL)
34:28 Alexis Sanchez (Arsenal) Clean Goal.

CORRECT GOAL FOR ARSENAL.

3 (GOAL)
43:49 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Clean Goal.

CORRECT GOAL FOR WEST HAM.

3 (GOAL)
46:28 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Clean Goal.

CORRECT GOAL FOR WEST HAM.

3 (GOAL)
Number of Correct Goals for Arsenal – 2

Number of Correct Goals for West Ham – 2

Total Number of Correct Goals – 4 [12 points]

Number of Incorrect Goals against Arsenal – 0

Number of Incorrect Goals against West Ham – 1

Total Number of Incorrect Goals – 1 [3 points]

Goal Kicks, Corners, and Throw-ins

Time Type Last Touch OFF Description & Decision
29:48 Goal Kick/Corner Aaron Cresswell (West Ham) The ball last came off Cresswell not El Nenny.

WRONG CORNER AGAINST ARSENAL.

Number of Incorrect Corners against Arsenal – 1

Number of Incorrect Corners against West Ham – 0

Total Number of Incorrect Corners – 1 [1 points]


First Half Referee Report

Total Number of Correct Decisions for Arsenal – 3+1+2 = 6

Total Number of Correct Decisions for West Ham – 3+2 = 5

Total Number of Correct Decisions = 6 + 5 = 11

 

AFTER POINTS HAVE BEEN WEIGHTED

 

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) for Arsenal – 3+1+6 = 10

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) for West Ham – 3+6 = 9

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) = 10 + 9 = 19

 

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions against Arsenal – 5+2+2+1 = 10

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions against West Ham – 2+1+1 = 4

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions = 10 + 4 = 14

 

AFTER POINTS HAVE BEEN WEIGHTED

 

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) against Arsenal – 5+4+6+1 = 16

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) against West Ham – 4+1+3 = 8

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) = 16 + 8 = 24

 

 

 

First Half Correct Decision Percentage = Total Correct Decisions / Total Decisions (Correct + Incorrect) = 11/(11+14) = 44.0%

 

 

First Half Correct Decision Percentage (WEIGHTED) = Total Correct Decisions / Total Decisions (Correct + Incorrect) =  19/(19+24) = 44.1%

 

Second Half

Fouls, Advantages, Cards, and Penalties

Time Foul by Foul For Description & Decision Points
46:27 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Gabriel Paulista (Arsenal) Both players jumped for the header in a natural manner, when Carroll stretched out his forearm and hit Gabriel strongly on face near the nose. The referee correctly called out a foul.

 

But this should have been a yellow card against Carroll for committing a reckless elbow to face on opponent while challenging for the ball.

 

Carroll should already have been sent off for a straight card offence at Minute 03:08 but was given the lesser punishment of a yellow card. Considering that he was already booked this should have been his second yellow card which means that he should have been sent off for second time by now. But no cards were given.

 

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

NO SECOND YELLOW CARD AGAINST CARROLL.

NO RED CARD AGAINST CARROLL.

1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

-3 (RED CARD)

49:12 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Laurent Koscienly (Arsenal)

David Ospina (Arsenal)

Koscienly was shielding the ball within playing distance inside the Arsenal’s penalty area and was waiting for Ospina to catch the ball. Carroll kept pulling and holding Koscienly from behind and later brought him down. Carroll also fell down on Ospina causing him to be immobile. This was a clear foul from Carroll first on Koscienly and later Ospina as a result of the foul earlier.

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

1 (FOUL)

 

53:01 Nacho Monreal (Arsenal) Andy Carroll (West Ham) Monreal slightly pulled Carroll by the arms but Carroll kept moving forward.

CORRECT ADVANTAGE PLAYED FOR WEST HAM.

1 (ADVANTAGE)

 

53:09 Michail Antonio (West Ham) Alex Iwobi (Arsenal) Antonio tripped Iwobi on the turn inside the center of the field.

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

1 (FOUL)

 

53:11 Mark Noble (West Ham)   After Iwobi was fouled by Antonio he quickly stood up and placed the ball on the on ground to take a quick free kick, when Noble jumped in and stuck out his leg at Iwobi and the ball and prevented Iwobi from prevented from taking the free kick. This was a clear act of Delaying the restart of play. This should have been a second yellow card against Noble which means that by now he should have been sent off. But no cards were given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 127

Delaying the Restart of Play

Referees must caution players who delay the restart of play by tactics such as:

• Taking a free kick from the wrong position with the sole intention of forcing the referee to order a retake

• Appearing to take a throw-in but suddenly leaving it to one of his team-mates to take

• Kicking the ball away or carrying it away with the hands after the referee has stopped play

• Excessively delaying the taking of a throw-in or free kick

• Delaying leaving the field of play when being substituted

• Provoking a confrontation by deliberately touching the ball after the referee has stopped play

 

NO SECOND YELLOW CARD AGAINST NOBLE.

NO RED CARD AGAINST NOBLE.

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

-3 (RED CARD)

 

56:33 Michail Antonio (West Ham) Laurent Koscienly (Arsenal) Antonio pushed Koscienly in the back while trying to head the cross in the box. This should have been a foul for Arsenal but no foul was given.

NO FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

-1 (FOUL)

 

56:49 Alexis Sanchez (Arsenal) Cheikhou Kouyaté (West Ham) Slightly high foot by Sanchez made a little contact on Kouyaté inside the West Ham’s half.

CORRECT FOUL FOR WEST HAM.

1 (FOUL)

 

61:02 Mohamed El Nenny (Arsenal) Dimitri Payet (West Ham) Both players jumped and missed the header but on the landing El Nenny slightly pulled Payet back.

CORRECT FOUL FOR WEST HAM.

1 (FOUL)

 

62:05 Andy Carroll (West Ham) David Ospina (Arsenal) Ospina had collected the ball and tried to start a counter attack by quickly throwing the ball forward when Carroll charged into Ospina and brought him down. This should have been a foul for Arsenal and not an advantage.

 

This also should have been a second yellow card for the second time against Carroll for preventing the goalkeeper from releasing the ball. Which means that Carroll should have been sent off for the third time this match, but no cards were given.

 

NO FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

WRONG ADVANTAGE PLAYED AGAINST WEST HAM.

NO SECOND YELLOW CARD FOR THE 2ND TIME AGAINST CARROLL.

NO RED CARD AGAINST CARROLL.

-1 (FOUL)

-1 (ADVANTAGE)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

-3 (RED CARD)

 

63:45 Cheikhou Kouyaté (West Ham) Laurent Koscienly (Arsenal)

 

Just Koscienly cleared the ball inside the Arsenal’s penalty box Kouyaté was late in taking the shoot collided in to Koscienly.

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

1 (FOUL)

 

64:50 Mohamed El Nenny (Arsenal) Michail Antonio (West Ham) El Nenny went in for a tackle and missed slightly which led to Antonio getting trip and slight loss of balance.

CORRECT FOUL FOR WEST HAM.

1 (FOUL)

 

70:50 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Gabriel Paulista (Arsenal) Carroll was late in the interception and kicked Gabriel down. The referee correctly called the foul.

 

This also should have been a second yellow card for the third time against Carroll for committing the 4th non-cautionable foul of the match. Which means that Carroll should have been sent off for the fourth time this match, but no cards were given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 127

Persistent Infringement

Referees should be alert at all times to players who persistently infringe the Laws. In particular, they must be aware that, even if a player commits a number of different offences, he must still be cautioned for persistently infringing the Laws.

 

There is no specific number of infringements which constitutes “persistence” or the presence of a pattern – this is entirely a matter of judgement and must be determined in the context of effective game management.

 

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

NO SECOND YELLOW CARD FOR THE 3RD TIME AGAINST CARROLL.

NO RED CARD AGAINST CARROLL.

1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

-3 (RED CARD)

 

70:52 Gabriel Paulista (Arsenal) Andy Carroll (West Ham) After Gabriel was fouled he turned around on the ground, looked at Carroll running forward and kicked Carroll on the upper leg with full studs showing. This was clear act of violent conduct. Gabriel should have been off but no cards were given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 129

Violent Conduct

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against a team-mate, spectator, match official or any other person.

 

Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries, whether the ball is in play or not.

 

NO RED CARD AGAINST GABRIEL.

-3 (RED CARD)

 

71:49 Laurent Koscienly (Arsenal) Andy Carroll (West Ham) Carroll played a quick pass behind Koscienly who came in charging from behind and tripped Carroll recklessly. The referee correctly called the foul.

 

But this should have been a yellow card against Koscienly for committing a reckless foul but no cards were given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 119

“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.

• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned

 

CORRECT FOUL FOR WEST HAM.

NO YELLOW CARD AGAINST KOSCIENLY.

1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

 

72:46 Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Winston Reid (West Ham) Reid got to the ball first ahead of Welbeck and tried to clear when Welbeck came in braking trying to stop himself from making a foul contact. Reid jumped himself forward and threw himself to the ground. This should not have been a foul for Arsenal because Welbeck did not make any foul contact.

 

This also should have been a yellow card against Reid for pretending to be fouled (simulation) but no cards were given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 125

Cautions for Unsporting Behaviour

• Attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)

 

WRONG FOUL AGAINST ARSENAL.

NO YELLOW CARD AGAINST REID FOR DIVING.

-1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

91:22 Winston Reid (West Ham) Alexis Sanchez (Arsenal) Sanchez was running forward on the counter attack when Reid made a reckless sliding tackle and took him out. The referee correctly called a foul.

 

But this should have been a second yellow card against Reid for committing a reckless and an attack breaking foul, which means that Reid should have been sent off by now, but no cards were given.

 

LAW 12 FOULS AND MISCONDUCT PAGE 125

Cautions for Unsporting Behaviour

There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:

• Commits in a reckless manner one of the seven offences that incur a direct free kick

• Commits a foul for the tactical purpose of interfering with or breaking up a promising attack

• Holds an opponent for the tactical purpose of pulling the opponent away from the ball or preventing the opponent from getting to the ball

 

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

NO YELLOW CARD AGAINST REID.

NO RED CARD AGAINST

1 (FOUL)

-2 (YELLOW CARD)

-3 (RED CARD)

 

92:11 Michail Antonio (West Ham) Mesut Ozil (Arsenal) Ozil was trying to run forward inside the center of the field when Antonio grabbed with both hands and dragged him back. This was a clear act of attack preventing and dispossessing foul.

CORRECT FOUL FOR ARSENAL.

CORRECT YELLOW CARD AGAINST ANTONIO.

1 (FOUL)

2 (YELLOW CARD)

 

 
Number of Correct Fouls for Arsenal – 7

Number of Correct Fouls for West Ham – 4

Total Number of Correct Fouls – 11 [11 points]

 

Number of Incorrect Fouls against Arsenal – 3

Number of Incorrect Fouls against West Ham – 0

Total Number of Incorrect Fouls – 3 [3 points]

 

Number of Correct Advantages for Arsenal – 0

Number of Correct Advantages for West Ham – 1

Total Number of Correct Advantages – 1 [1 points]

 

Number of Incorrect Advantages against Arsenal – 0

Number of Incorrect Advantages against West Ham – 1

Total Number of Incorrect Advantages – 1 [1 points]

Number of Correct Yellow Cards for Arsenal – 0

Number of Correct Yellow Cards for West Ham – 1

Total Number of Correct Yellow Cards – 1 [2 points]

Number of Incorrect Yellow Cards against Arsenal – 6

Number of Incorrect Yellow Cards against West Ham – 1

Total Number of Incorrect Yellow Cards – 7 [14 points]

 

Number of Correct Red Cards for Arsenal – 0

Number of Correct Red Cards for West Ham – 0

Total Number of Correct Red Cards – 0

 

Number of Incorrect Red Cards against Arsenal – 5

Number of Incorrect Red Cards against West Ham – 1

Total Number of Incorrect Red Cards – 6 [6 points]

Offsides

Time Player Offside Defending Player Description & Decision Points
87:21 Mesut Ozil (Arsenal) Winston Reid (West Ham) Ozil was in an offside position. Assistant Ref Darren Cann made the correct call.

CORRECT OFFSIDE FOR WEST HAM.

1 (OFFSIDE)
Number of Correct Offsides for Arsenal – 0

Number of Correct Offsides for West Ham – 1

Total Number of Correct Offsides – 1 [1 points]

Number of Incorrect Offsides against Arsenal – 0

Number of Incorrect Offsides against West Ham – 0

Total Number of Incorrect Offsides – 0

Goals

Time Goal Scorer Description & Decision Points
49:14 Dimitri Payet (West Ham) REFER to FOULS at Minute 49:12 Payet’s goal was correctly disallowed by the referee because of a foul earlier by Carroll on the defender and the goalkeeper.

CORRECT GOAL DISSALLOWED FOR ARSENAL.

3 (NO GOAL)
51:03 Andy Carroll (West Ham) Clean Goal.

CORRECT GOAL FOR WEST HAM.

3 (GOAL)
69:49 Laurent Koscienly (Arsenal) Clean Goal.

CORRECT GOAL FOR ARSENAL.

3 (GOAL)
Number of Correct Goals for Arsenal – 2

Number of Correct Goals for West Ham – 1

Total Number of Correct Goals – 3 [9 points]

Number of Incorrect Goals against Arsenal – 0

Number of Incorrect Goals against West Ham – 0

Total Number of Incorrect Goals – 0


Second Half Referee Report

Total Number of Correct Decisions for Arsenal – 7+2 = 9

Total Number of Correct Decisions for West Ham – 4+1+1+1+1 = 8

Total Number of Correct Decisions = 9 + 8 = 17

 

AFTER POINTS HAVE BEEN WEIGHTED

 

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) for Arsenal – 7+6 = 13

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) for West Ham – 4+1+2+1+3 = 11

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) = 13 + 11 = 24

 

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions against Arsenal – 3+6+5 = 14

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions against West Ham – 1+1+1 =3

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions = 14 + 3 = 17

 

AFTER POINTS HAVE BEEN WEIGHTED

 

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) against Arsenal – 3+12+15 = 30

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) against West Ham –1+2+3 = 6

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) = 30 + 6 = 36

 

 

 

Second Half Correct Decision Percentage = Total Correct Decisions / Total Decisions (Correct + Incorrect) = 17/(17+17) = 50.0%

 

 

Second Half Correct Decision Percentage (WEIGHTED) = Total Correct Decisions / Total Decisions (Correct + Incorrect) =  24/(24+36) = 40.0%

 

Full Time (1st Half + 2nd Half) Referee Report

Total Number of Correct Decisions for Arsenal – 6+9 = 15

Total Number of Correct Decisions for West Ham – 5+8 = 13

Total Number of Correct Decisions = 15 + 13 = 28

 

AFTER POINTS HAVE BEEN WEIGHTED

 

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) for Arsenal – 10+13 = 23

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) for West Ham – 9+11 = 20

Total Number of Correct Decisions (Weighted) = 23 + 20 = 43

 

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions against Arsenal – 10+14 = 24

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions against West Ham – 4+3 =7

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions = 24 + 7 = 31

 

AFTER POINTS HAVE BEEN WEIGHTED

 

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) against Arsenal – 16+30 = 46

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) against West Ham – 8+6 = 14

Total Number of Incorrect Decisions (Weighted) = 46 + 14 = 60

 

 

 

Full Match Correct Decision Percentage = Total Correct Decisions / Total Decisions (Correct + Incorrect) = 28/(28+31) = 47.4%

 

 

Full Match Correct Decision Percentage (WEIGHTED) = Total Correct Decisions / Total Decisions (Correct + Incorrect) =  43/(43+60) = 41.7%

 

APPENDIX

Key Decisions in the Match Points
Advantage 1
Foul 1
Incorrect Corner 1
Incorrect Goal Kick 1
Incorrect Throw-in 1
Other (Ref Positioning, Injuries, Time Wasting, etc.) 1
Offside 1
Yellow Card 2
Red Card 3
Goal 3
Penalty 3

 

NOTE: FOR ANY WRONG DECISION MADE THERE WILL BE NEGATIVE POINTS AWARDED FOR THAT SPECIFIC KIND OF EVENT.

NOTE: ANY INCORRECT OR WRONG DECISION/NON-DECISION WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED WITH A RED COLOUR.

NOTE: ANY DECISION THAT INVOLVES DOUBT IS HIGHLIGHTED AS BLUE IN COLOR.

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If as a ref you have missed the first major decision you have set yourself up for failure. That is in short what happened in this match.

Craig Pawson was the ref who missed the first important decision and from then on he could only lose this match. A tackle from behind, studs showing going in on the Achilles heel of a player… what more do you need to see a red card? We all remember that FIFA has tried (and successfully did in most countries) to get rid of such dangerous tackles from behind on the Achilles heel of players a few world cups ago. Well this was a schoolbook example of such a tackle. But Carroll only got a yellow card. He should have been off after that first foul. Now he became the man of the match and the ref became the fool of the match.
Once you have lowered the standard by not dismissing Carroll you are in trouble. The ref allowed far too many dangerous tackles and in fact too many to go in detail as it would make this article as long as a book.
But worth mentioning that Lanzini went in two footed in to Bellerin who played the ball with a sliding tackle. Lanzinin landed with both his feet and studs on the ankle of Bellerin. We all remember the headlines Flamini got for a two footed tackle some 1-2 meters away from an opponent in the Bournemouth match. For days they declared that this was a red card for a two footed jump. Now a player actually landed with two feet and his studs on an Arsenal player… not even a foul was given and nobody mentioned it. A terrible example of double standards from the media. And another failure for the ref.
Noble could also jump in two footed and then handle the ball and well again the ref kept his cards in his pocket. Payet stepped on the foot of Monreal… no foul,  no card. The ref just missed everything it seemed…
Yes Arsenal got lucky with the disallowed goal from West Ham in the first 15 minutes. Of course it is a big detail that Carroll who gave the assist to that wrongly disallowed goal shouldn’t have been on the field anymore. But apart from that it was a valid goal.
At the end of the first half the score was  44.0% and 44.1% (Weighted).  Disastrous.
From the start of the second half the ref continued his bad display. Carroll again deserving a yellow card for hitting Gabriel in the face with his forearm. Again the deserved sending off didn’t happen.
I wonder how much this not sending a West Ham player off had to do with the fact that the FA rescinded the red card of the week before? Was the ref afraid to be called back by the FA if he would send a West Ham player off??
In fact any incident involving Carroll could be called wrong as he shouldn’t have been on the field at all. I can’t really remember a player scoring a hattrick when he should have been off the field after 3 minutes.
But as I said before the ref lowered his standard to such a low level that he even didn’t dismiss Gabriel when he was fouled by Carroll (yep again his name turns up) but then Gabriel kicked out against Carroll and at that moment Gabriel should have been sent off for kicking a player that shouldn’t have been on the field anymore. If you understand what I am trying to say.
I will leave it like that as the list is so long with wrong decisions that you probably had enough of it. So read the report itself very carefully to see all what went wrong.

Score in the second half was 50.0% and 40.0% (Weighted) Again Disastrous.

Overall score over the 90 minutes was 47.4% and 41.7% (Weighted) Congratulations to Mr. Pawson for being on the table of shame twice.

And then we must remember that his score was in fact helped by the fact that both teams scored 6 goals in total! If this would have been a goalless draw… his score would have been somewhere below 30% I think.

In short there were a total of 9 major errors. 7 against Arsenal (2 straight red cards, 5 second yellow cards) . 2 against West Ham (1 goal, 1 straight red card).

1. At minute 03:08 Carroll should have been given a straight red card.

2. At minute 13:03 West Ham’s goal was wrongly disallowed.

3. At minute 21:24 Lanzini should have been given a straight red card.

4. At minute 46:27 Carroll should have been sent off for a second yellow card.

5. At minute 53:11 Noble should have been sent off for a second yellow card.

6. At minute 62:05 Carroll should have been sent off for a second yellow card.

7. At minute 70:50 Carroll should have been sent off for a second yellow card.

8. At minute 70:52 Gabriel should have been given a straight red card.

9. At minute 91:22 Reid should have been sent off for a second yellow card.
Carroll should have been sent off five times during the match but he stayed on the pitch after each foul. Unbelievable.
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49 comments to REF REVIEW WEST HAM – ARSENAL: A new entry in the table of shame

  • arwar

    So west ham should have had 5 red cards?
    Lolz were they so aggressive?

    Thats the physicallity we need not to complain to the refs for stupid things

  • Usama Zaka

    A quick reminder to everyone reading and wanting to comment please stay on the topic of the article, that would be nice.

    For more info on commenting at Untold Arsenal please visit this link, http://untold-arsenal.com/untold-comments which can also be accessed from the left hand side of the website.

    Moving on, before anyone comments on any potential penalty incidents in this match for any team, I want to make myself clear using the discussion with Walter over the last week. There were at least 5 potential penalty related incidents. 3 for Arsenal and 2 for West Ham.

    1st, min 17′ Penalty on Monreal – Live footage offered a very unclear angle and even the replay was not clear enough to decide. So no penalty for Arsenal.

    2nd, min 48′ Penalty on Lanzini – Lanzini was already going down when Bellerin slipped. The going down movement was before contact was made. Contact was not deliberate as it was a slip. So no penalty for West Ham

    3rd, min 76′ Penalty on Giroud – Ogbonna pulled Giroud from the shirt. THere was also the impression that Giroud also was grabbing a bit of the defender. When both players are holding each other it usually gets ignored and will give the decision to the ref. So no penalty for Arsenal.

    4th, min 80′ Penalty on Welbeck – Difficult to see from the angle but it might have been that Giroud pushed the defender slightly in the back and so provoked the collision from Ogbonna on Welbeck. Defender couldn’t disappear in thin air. A bit like the incident with Bellerin. No deliberate foul in my opinion. So no penalty for Arsenal.

    5th, min 81′ Penalty Monreal Handball – Certainly no handball. Arms in natural position, close to his body in fact against his body. No handball and no penalty. So no penalty for West Ham.

  • upp

    Lol @ award. From the report I guess Carroll was playing with a wrench in his hand:)

  • Andrew Crawshaw

    These wrong decisions bring the season total against Arsenal to 100, in favour of Arsenal 7. No wonder we are struggling in fourth place in the table.

    There has been a concerted attack on us by the PGMO from day one.

  • Walter

    31 incorrect decisions in total! 31 ….. Terrible!

  • Walter

    Arwar, if you would understand the reviews you would know

  • Mandy Dodd

    Quite unbelievable how inept these officicls are.
    At least it is getting highlighted in the media a bit more…in SOME games.
    But it is clear Wenger is going to have to set up to counter some,of these teams and refs tactics,,as they are not going away.

  • Pat

    Mandy, I expect Arsene Wenger is constantly racking his brains to outwit the refs.

    But when you get this level of incompetence and bias it is rather hard. A hat trick by a player who shouldn’t have even been on the pitch just about says it all. Arsene Wenger made this point about Carroll clearly after the match.

  • Al

    By season end I bet every pgmob rep would have made it on the wall of shame, at this rate. Disgusting.

  • Mandy Dodd

    Pat, think the only way to do that is early goals, but not easy with these refs, constant bus parkers, and some of our strikers well out of form.
    And even early goals do not always work.
    The alternative, Ivan could raise concerns over fair play it on his FA league and other committees ….but we don’t seem to hear much from Ivan these days…

  • Chris

    Well, if some of you are reading german, you will be interested in this story

    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/fussball-wm-petit-erinnert-an-das-schattenreich-des-fussballs-1.2956489

    Emmanuel Petit has been voicing doubts about the 1998 Worldcup, wondering if it was not ‘orchestrated’
    And says his doubts come from what he is seing more and more these past years happen in football.

    And he has won it all….

    Well, I think that one more horn is blowing and someday soon the walls will come tumbling down…

  • Menace

    This was a truly incompetent PGMO official. The one in the Leicester v West Ham game was worse. How these two teams have players not banned for several matches is amazing. They get away with nasty tackles & the FA remain ignorant.

  • Menace

    Mandy – history mentions many Ivans. I think we have been gifted with Ivan the Insignificant.

  • Rosicky@Arsenal

    I was wondering that if a team like Barcelonacan have a purple patch why not Arsenal.
    But the so called fans are demanding Wengers head all the time.
    Pathetic.

  • Hi Berry

    Rosicky@Arsenal…why are people calling for Wenger’s head ‘so called fans’? Can they not support Arsenal and criticise the manager? Last time I looked we were still living in a democracy where criticism of those in positions of power was still allowed.

  • Hi Berry, I find your comments very confusing. We live in a democracy, yes. Some people call other people “so called fans”, yes. Are they allowed to do it? Yes, it is not against the law. Do I have to publish it? That’s up to me; I might, I might not. No one has the right to be on here as an absolute right except the site owner, just as no one has a right to be in your house except you and those you choose to let in. If you see a passing neo fascist knocking on the door you might welcome him or turn him away – that’s up to you. I can’t see where democracy enters the argument.

  • Menace

    Chris – Kudos to Petit but there seems to be a smoke screen hiding some German dodgy moves. I still think Cruyff’s Holland were cheated by Argentina with the 6 goal gift. How officials work it is obviously easy as very few question or protest.

  • Andy Mack

    I can understand that some people think these reviews are bias but for anyone that actually watched the game twice, there isn’t much that can actually be argued about. 2 or 3 incidents per match at most. Yes the 41% could be more like 50-55% but that’s still a horrible piece of officiating.
    The most annoying part for a player is the decisions the ref makes in the first 10-15 minutes as that effects the flow and rhythms of your game (irrespective of the level of the incidents), and generally the majority of those decisions do seem to be going against us…
    That’s not to say that our players haven’t ‘mucked it up’ themselves in some games.

  • Mandy Dodd

    Menace 10.46, there was a time when I thought Ivan was doing a good job- but sadly, you may be right

  • Pete

    Interesting article this morning on the BBC website on refereeing integrity/teams they support. Media seem to be getting more interested. Good!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36075347

  • Jerry

    Excellent review again Walter and Usama!

    OT: It’s interesting to see that in Germany, FIFA listed referee Tobias Stieler apologized for awarding Bayern a penalty for a Vidal dive in their DFB Pokal 2-0 semifinal win over Werder Bremen.

    Still waiting on Dean to apologize for most of his Arsenal matches.

  • Pete, I note there is no comments section on that BBC article about Ref’s and the teams they support so no opportunity to raise other related items (why no London ref’s) or debate.

  • Mick

    The Telegraph is getting in on the ‘does it even out’ debate…..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/20/what-are-the-worst-refereeing-decisions-of-the-season-and-have-t/?

    The article is not exactly in depth, but guess which team comes off worst?

  • Usama Zaka

    Mick,

    At least 300+ games have been done in the EPL now and the Telegraph selects 11 games of their choice and still came to the conclusion that we were robbed of the most points. This is the highly anti-Arsenal Telegraph we are talking about. So just imagine what would happen if they did analysed all 380 games in a season.

    Media and journalists are a different topic for which I have mentally prepared myself a “rant” (as the newspapers like to call it), which I will comment on later sometime. 🙂

    Thanks for pointing out that link.

  • AL

    Mick,Usama
    Exactly. There is not even the 3 offide southampton goals against us on that list. But we still managed to come out as the team most hard-done by. When the Sun did their own similar check from a handful of games mid-season, they also found Arsenal to be the team that had been robbed of the most points. It’s been like this for years. I know someone will soon come along to say we don’t get robbed by refs, you’re all paranoid, palace did not park a bus, bla bla bla. Let me stop before I fall foul of using foul and unprintable language.

  • Rosicky@Arsenal

    Why Chelsea has been found to recieve the most favourable ref decisions by Telegraph.?
    Wasnt it Leicester?

  • Mick

    Rosicky@Arsenal
    Chelsea got more ‘favours’ in the one match against us than all the other teams have got in all their matches this season!!

  • Hi Berry

    The implication in Rosicky’s comment is plain for all to see, Tony….those that criticise Wenger or want him out are not ‘true’ fans which is patently untrue. There are many fans, myself included, who have supported Arsenal for fifty years or more and find it insulting to be labelled a ‘so called fan’ simply because their view differs from Rosicky’s. A sweeping generalisation I would call it – something you picked me up on quite recently when, in response to an article you published, I asked whether that meant Wenger had to remain manager until he was carried out in a box.
    Yes he has a right to say it, but I also have the right to be offended by it and respond accordingly.
    I don’t want to develop a complex about this, Tony, but it does seem to me that on the few occasions I have posted on this site you appear to be very quick to ‘tell me off’ in a rather pedantic, school-masterly fashion. You are quite happy for Rosicky to make a sweeping generalisation about the worthiness of some Arsenal supporters who hold a contrary view, but choose to chide me on logical semantics regarding democracy. It does rather make me wonder whether you would publish a post by me that had the line…’there are some so called fans who think Wenger is still fit for purpose – Pathetic.’?

  • Mick

    Al
    Or the 2 Swansea ones.
    Or the Ramsey goal against Liverpool which was wrongly chalked off for an incorrect offside.

  • Menace

    Mick – what Chelsea got against us was an example of probably the most corrupt complicity between the FA & PGMOL. How the evil bastards chalked of Gabriels red card & then went on to charge him for not leaving the field of play (because of the chalked off red card) is truly an example of corrupt practice.

    Ok so you didn’t shoot the dead man. You’re free to go but you were in the vacinity so you’re guilty of manslaughter!!! The most pathetic assembled bunch of corrupt pontificating bastards. (so I don’t like them 😉 )

  • Arsene Wenger has been fighting this battle since the day he became our manager and it’s a damn shame that the Arsenal board have done it seem’s very little to help him.
    This man send’s out his team to play the wonderful football that has been a privilege to watch and time and time again the players get no protection at all from the referee’s. No these men go out of their way to bring this team down time and again.
    How on earth can Arsene Wenger win. We have other teams who park the bus and players making tackles which could easily end a carers and they get away with it all the bloody time. No protection from the ref and the Arsenal players no it as does the boss.
    The board should be screaming from the bloody rafters and this should have been put a stop to long ago.
    Now it seems people are finally finding their voices and more and more the media are taking notice because when this breaks and it will, the flood gates are going to open up and people are going to have to stand up and be counted. The world of football is beyond corrupt, when you have billions upon billions involved people get very very greedy but when found out they turn on one another and I would bet all I have that this is what will happen.
    Those who try to do it the right way are the ones who get the short end of the stick and this is what is happening with Arsenal. Wenger won’t be bought and what’s football to be as it should but he is in the minority’.
    Long runs the fox. This house of cards will fall and the sooner the better.

  • bjtgooner

    Another accurate and detailed report which once again shows the PGMO man in black to be totally incompetent and unfit for duty.

    It used to be that there were only two or perhaps three refs that we really needed to fear – now it seems impossible to find a straight one!

    The national game deserves a lot better than Riley and his little band of incompetents!

  • WalterBroeckx

    Just seen the images of Origi his injury.
    I have been calling for red cards for these kind of tackles for years now on this blog. Stamping down on someones ankle or foot is extremely dangerous and can cause serious injuries. For now it seems that only when broken limbs are on display that refs in the PL give red cards for this. In most other leagues they give the red card regardless if the is a serious injury. As it should be. If the foul CAN cause serious injury it should be a red card given. Sadly in some (too many) instances the refs even don’t give fouls for this when a player is not injured.

  • Al

    Hi Berry
    I’m firmly in Rosicky’s corner here. The problem I have with people who are always calling for Wenger’s head, like you, regardless of the occasion is they undermine the club’s prospects of winning things. The telegraph conducted an analysis of a few games to see if things even out in the end, and found Arsenal to be the team that got punished the most from incorrect decisions. The Sun conducted theirs early this year or late last year I think, and also found Arsenal to be the team that got robbed the most again. Untold has published tonnes of ref review that showed Arsenal are always on the receiving end of bad decisions by a mile (I’ve not seen any review that showed Arsenal getting more incorrect decisions than their opponents).

    So if three seperate & independent investigations by three separate & independent entities all reach the same conclusion, then that is irrefutable evidence of bias against Arsenal. Now instead of us singing from the same page, with one voice, we have people who unfurl banners at home or away matches, saying exactly the message that you say here, that Wenger should go. If they aren’t doing that they are banging on about Wenger leaving on every other media outlet available to them; be it print, online, talk shows or even in the pub. You (you & all those calling for Wenger to go) are legitimising the robberies we suffer weekly at the hands of these crooked refs. You give them the platform & ammunition to screw us even more than previously. They’re becoming more and more blatant, and as already pointed out, where there were 2 or 3 refs to be feared previously now it’s the whole lot. How can they stop when they know even the most blatant robbery will be blamed on Wenger, the fall guy.

    Instead of there being a postmortem that’ll place focus and spotlight on these referees you’re diverting the attention with your Wenger out sideshow. You’re giving people the excuse not to look at the referees as they’ll say after all none of the fans are happy as the squad and manager are rubbish. The more noise you make about Wenger leaving the more they screw us. You might get your wish but at what expense? Yes you have your right to ask for change but there’s a time and place for everything, and that’s not after we have been robbed blatantly that even a blind man can see it. You never ever demand these guys are taken to task; as soon as there’s a bad result, due to an obvious daylight robbery, you lot come here in droves saying it’s time for Wenger to go. Any attempts made to highlight the injustices are dismissed outright. It’s as if your desire to see Wenger leave blinded you to everything. So don’t question Rosicky labelling people asking for Wenger’s head as so-called fans because your behaviour is NOT consistent with that expected of anyone supporting their club.

  • Mick

    Great stuff Al.

  • Menace

    Spot on Al. Hang your head in shame HiBerry.

  • Menace

    Having read the BBC article I just realised that none of those on the list refereed a game. They may have officiated but referee? never! Cheating thieving gits.

  • Rosicky@Arsenal

    Al
    Tks for suporting my point of view.

  • John L

    Interesting that no media / pundit comment about the Everton offender, such as “He’s not that kind of player”, – “the poor lad’s devastated”,- “He hasn’t an aggressive bone in his body” etc etc.

    Must be because he’s not English.

  • John L

    To Al (11.17pm)

    Well said! My sentiments exactly!

  • upp

    @ Al
    Could you post links to the articles you referenced? It doesn’t even matter that this site ridicules the telegraph and sun newspapers when their articles don’t agree with the site’s thoughts. We will assume the article is from untold telegraph

  • Al

    upp
    Sure. The link to the telegraph is in Mick’s post at 12:41pm yesterday, but here again.

    The one from the sun here.

    There’s even a fourth one (after the sun’s, the telegraph, and 100s from UA) from the Metro here.

    Isn’t it funny that all these investigations by all these different bodies all come to the same conclusion, Arsenal would be top? Not one, and I mean none, of these analyses found any other team as deserving to be top had the refs not made these costly errors instead of Arsenal. All four conclude Arsenal suffered the most, and all these investigations are from this season alone.

  • Al

    As for the ridiculing of those papers, let’s not be drawn into that argument, as there’s plenty of reasons, hence justification, for that.
    Actually, if publications that are known to be unkind to us can even reach the same conclusions then surely that says a lot about how bad the situation is. But that’s besides the point anyway.

  • Menace

    upp – the papers deserve ridicule with reference & deserve praise with reference. We forget you are perfect & dont have any reference.

  • upp

    @al
    Thanks for the links.

  • upp

    I think we can agree to disagree. I think the papers can say what they think. Agree or disagree with what they say. However when you fault their credibility because they say stuff you don’t agree with, you will have a hard time using them as credible source when they say stuff you agree with. So my suggestion is, attack the message, leave the messenger.
    Thanks once again for the links.

  • dieter

    Hi Berry

    I’m arriving terribly late, but anyway… Having been an Arsenal supporter for 46-47 years I’d like to express my solidarity to You. I’ve been demoted to a “so called fan” as well and I’m sorry – but not the least surprised – to see You getting thumped down by the most obvious sources, who then take turns in (…censored…) in a jubilant manner. And for some serial insulter to say “You should hang your head in shame HiBerry” really is a tasteless remark although not very obnoxous by his own high standards.

    UA claims to be (and most of the time is) all about stating facts and backing them up with evidence. While I respect the values and Tony Attwood as a person, I unintentionally tend to disagree with most of the authors. Nevertheless I always try to justify my own views. And in Your case I really don’t understand anyone disliking a person for telling the truth (which btw is not synonymous to an opinion).

    I hope You stick around cause this site needs heretics as much as any other. Just ignore the one-trick pony bullies wherever you are. I’ve run a risk of being banned from here ever since my first post, but that’s how it goes when you stand by your assessments. If I were a head of a WOB-friendly site I would try my hardest not to resort to discrimination. I’d prefer words over mastery, because debate is essential and doesn’t happen without dispute.

    Yet bad behaviour is not to be tolerated in any course of interaction. And I believe it wouldn’t wouldn’t be a bad idea to promote this fascinating site with a spring clean amongst the most unilateral and vociferous “genuine” (as opposed to us “so called”) fans. Sorting out the incurable name-callers would make a perfect start.

  • If you don’t like the site and what it stands for then don’t come on it.
    No one is forcing you and you know this is Pro Arsenal and Pro Wenger so go find another site to vent because it’s only a waste of time and energy when you go down that road on here.

  • austinpaul

    Tanks Al for ur incisive post wich has succintly submitted my sentiments;however, I wuld like to add dat dis Wenger out brigade are agents of a bunch of provocateurs who are envious of Arsenal nd Arsene achievements over d years ,dey believe in my opinion dat d only way to see Arsenal in d same boat wit ManU, Liverpool et al is to hound Wenger out of d way;dey are not hapi arsenal has no godfada like Chelski or ManC, besides, I sense some racist tinge in their clamour Wenger being French, dey 4get dat sports has no boundary as long as u possess d required skill nd conpetence plus d ability nd capabilty;dey are unhapi dat Arsenal is d only big club in d universe dat thrives on d ingenuity, dedication nd frugality of its financial wealth management; all dey crave for is TITLES nd SILVERWARES. As if Wenger nd Arsenal hve not bin winning dem;every fan has bin disappointed nd frustrated by d turn of events dis season including AW, players, board nd everyone who loves Arsenal bt to blame Wenger comprehensively for everytin as dis renegades do is to say d least insane nd childish especially so in d face of d anaylsis of d delibrate conspiracy by PGMOL to ensure Arsenal doesn’t win matches,no manager nd his team can survive under dis blatant irresponsible nd inconpetent display of referees weekly as we see. On tv nd read on dis platform regularly;in fact I feel distraught seeing some of dis wrong or no call situations on tv nd pity d players nd their handlers;dat d team is where it is presently is a factor of strong xter on display by d players nd gud management nd discipline by d manager nd his staff odawise maybe our players wuld hve bin getting an average of 2 red cards per match due to referee induced agression nd frustration; we nid to encourage our team d more by given dem unalloyed support in d of dis unwholesome situation. Question: is there no means of getting d Board to confront dis PGMOL situation? More grease Untold!!!