Arsenal v Chelsea 23rd December 2013 – The match officials
Dean v Arsenal – the story continues.
by Andrew Crawshaw
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Yes it’s official…
- Referee – Mike Dean
- Assistants – J Collin, J Brooks
- Fourth Official – J Moss
The dark lord returns and, after his somewhat benevolent visit for Stoke which we won 3-1 I think it extremely unlikely that he will be the same on Monday night. He is one of the cleverest referees in the country, knows all of the rules forwards backwards and sideways and is frequently quite inventive in applying them. Oh yes he seems to hate Arsenal with about the same passion as we have a special place in our reviews for him.
Walter’s post match comments Arsenal 3 – 1 Stoke, the revenge of the Aaron, the assist-master doing his job and other enjoyable facts
Here is our full record with him in charge :-
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Dean v Arsenal – League only |
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Year |
P |
W |
L |
D |
Goals |
Red |
Yellow |
Pen |
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F |
A |
F |
A |
F |
A |
F |
A |
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| 2000/01 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
8 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
7 |
0 |
0 |
| 2001/02 |
0 |
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| 2002/03 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
3 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
| 2003/04 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
7 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
6 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
| 2004/05 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
5 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
| 2005/06 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
5 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
| 2006/07 |
3 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
5 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
6 |
7 |
0 |
0 |
| 2007/08 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
1 |
5 |
3 |
0 |
1 |
| 2008/09 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
6 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
7 |
4 |
1 |
0 |
| 2009/10 |
4 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
5 |
0 |
0 |
12 |
9 |
0 |
2 |
| 2010/11 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
1 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
| 2011/12 |
6 |
1 |
3 |
2 |
9 |
9 |
0 |
1 |
15 |
19 |
0 |
1 |
| 2012/13 |
4 |
1 |
2 |
1 |
2 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
| 2013/14 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
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Dean v Arsenal – Cups only |
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| Year |
P |
W |
L |
D |
Goals |
Red |
Yellow |
Pen |
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F |
A |
F |
A |
F |
A |
F |
A |
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| 2000/01 |
0 |
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| 2001/02 |
0 |
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| 2002/03 |
0 |
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| 2003/04 |
0 |
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| 2004/05 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
| 2005/06 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
| 2006/07 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
| 2007/08 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
| 2008/09 |
0 |
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| 2009/10 |
0 |
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| 2010/11 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
| 2011/12 |
0 |
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| 2012/13 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
3 |
5 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
5 |
0 |
0 |
| 2013/14 |
0 |
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So a very good record in the early years (perhaps before he was ‘turned to the dark side’) and a very poor record since 2007/8. It is now 23 games since he awarded a penalty to us, longer than any other team so it is unlikely that we will get one against Chelsea – worth a punt for you betting types.
I covered his performances for us in the last two years in much more detail in my preview for the Stoke game on 22 Sept so won’t do it again here.
There is also a good article from September on 7amkickoff which gives you the link to the “transfermarkt” stats which I have summarised above – you might like to look it up.
Mike Dean versus Arsenal | 7amkicko…
For Chelsea his recent record is somewhat better than ours, but his bias numbers last year for both Chelsea and Arsenal were fairly similar.
So there you are. We pay our money, but we have no choice. It’s Dean.
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I have no doubt that there is a plot to deceive Arsenal!!!!
Look at Atkinsonlast time out…..a clear penalty in favour of Arsenal ignored.A legitimate goal annuled,2 dubioud soffsides alowed an 3 goals against as you clearly indicated in your analyses.
Now we have Dean.Horrible to even think about him in such a decisive match.I have no doubt that he will let us down…punto e basta in Italian.
Arsenal should protest against him before damage is done
Well I thought I was d only one who noticed hw refs&d FA,evn UEFA treat us most times.I mean Akinsons blattant refusal 2gv us a PK wen d camera evn showed him being in an excellent position 2award d pk was so hilarious.Sometyms they mk it so obvious dat they jst hate AFC.Now Mike Dean..ooh gosh..I fore see a red card given 2us&a PK..so koscienly&arteta beta watch it @d back.
Some more ref news from around the world …
Saturday night, Israeli league, Maccabi Tel Aviv playing Hapoel Akko.
In the 30th minute, Akko was AWARDED a penalty by the referee, due to an alleged handball by Maccabi defender Eitan Tibi.
2 minutes afterwards, the 4th official consulted with the referee and the penalty was CANCELLED! Again: a penalty that was given, was CANCELLED.
In the half time report, TV cameras showed that the assistant referee looked at the TV replays and found out that the ball was handled outside the court, thus – no penalty. So, in essence it was a good decision.
However, since referees are not authorized to use TV footage, the cancellation was deemed illegal.
Maccabi went on to win 5-0.
And now for the interesting bit: the ref, his assitances and the 4th official will be ALL banned for 1 month. The head referee could be banned for a longer period.
I repeat: formally banned, not some bullshit “oops now he will only be doing 3rd league stuff but nobody knows why”.
Blind, deaf and dumb all know busterd dean is against arsenal. I hate this referee. Today I perform special prayer, God to kill this stupid referee.I will be happy today
Strange how some things have got worse for us since around 2006. Was our own dark lord david dein able to protect us from certain things? Apparently scudamore couldn’t stand him. A clash of personalities or something more?
I was not confident BEFORE I knew Dean was in charge. No I think we will lose and once again I think there will be controversial moments that will be swept under the carpet.
No matter – if we lose we are still only a point of first place. It is up to the team to win against West Ham, Newcastle and Cardiff. We may well be top on Jan 1st IF we do that – despite the FA bias in the big games.
There’s sado-masochism, there’s masochism, there’s martyr complexes, and then there is supporting Arsenal.
@ Mandy – either that, or the other way around: he was friendly with everybody in the FA, and now they are there to “avenge” his dismissal… as to show Arsenal that “they cannot do without him”.
I think that it is fair to say that it never hurts to have some friends in politics. Especially if your adversaries have some friends. Anyway, it’s bad to be friendless… I think that supporters of other teams might say that we have it coming since the days of Henry Norris but frankly I couldn’t care less about stuff that happened almost a century ago…).
As for tomorrow: we will NOT lose, Dean is not too fond of the KGB and I’m pretty sure tomorrow will be a very fair game (this is the “best” bit: on some matches, the worst refs can produce very good performances, when they so wish. I’m talking about Webb for instance…).
I’m certain that tomorrow will be a good day for us.
COYG.
@Tommiegun nice one,i have the same mentality like you that we might snap it but a serpent is a serpent you can never tell what it can do in a sec.
Hopefully as you and me know that its a serpent lets hope it remain in its serpent figure but does not turn into the real thing!!
Fingers closed, and for GODS shake lets not walk the ball into the net we are the GUNS lets shoot and let our boys know that one goal can also win.
We do not to be in a hurry when we a leading, lets
go gunners.
I’m quite apprehensive about this one, a combination of Maureen and the dean is never a good sight. I think till the day we have rules saying a ref can only do two games per team per season, and the fixtures are arranged in parabolic style (you finish against the team you open the season against) then we can expect the pgmob to continue messing about with and deciding who wins the league every year.
On a (highly) related tangent: ever read the wikipedia entry on Mike Riley, the queen bee of the slender-balding lookalikes such as (The Dean)? Well it’s rather eye-popping. Behold: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Riley_%28referee%29
Maybe tommy gun whatever the truth I wish we still had dein he always put the club first some would say to a fault. He would do all in his considerable power to stop this ref shite though Ivan is a pretty powerful guy himself. We will have to be at our very best to overcome tomorrow and will have to halt some of the defensive mistakes that have crept in lately. Interesting events you mention in Israel btw no pussy footing around refs there!
seems to me that he is a poor referee but not particularly biased towards Chelski. Not much we can do about it anyway except hope that Arsenal play to their potential and render Dean’s antics meaningless.
According to Wiki, he bats for the other team in more ways than one
Now even scudamore is pretty much admitting things are wrong
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/2548477
Why doesn’t he improve the situation with the refs then?
Sorry wrong link ref scudamore
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25484774
Until something postive can be done to sort out the corruption in the professional game, including the very officials who are supposed to fairly govern the sport on the field of play, all Arsenal can do is to win IN SPITE OF THEM.
Have a feeling that’s exactly what wenger also believes Nicky. On another note other results not exactly going our way this weekend!
Blacksheep
Well said. Besides,he is too clever and knows many people are aware of his past indiscretions against Arsenal. in his 2009 OT performance which we lost 2-1 he failed to give a stone cold penalty when Arshavin was brought down by Fletcher , who also handled on the play .
What was interesting about that is when Fletcher ,who is probably one of the few honest United players, was asked if he thought it was a penalty,
said “yes,probably” and added”I think I got a bit lucky”
This game being on the heels of M City disastrous showing, even by PGMOL standard,I expect a clean game.
This excerpt thanks to Mandy’s link:
It’s drip drip drip drip…. from the BBC Sports website today:
“Scudamore added: “We have had 8,393 matches so far in the Premier League, and I can’t actually sit here today and say it has never happened in those matches.”
He insisted the Premier League was doing all it could to target fixers, adding: “We are monitoring over 300 international betting markets and we have a whole system of things in place.”
But he admitted: “The one thing that scares you the most about this whole industry is the idea that integrity could be impugned in any way.”
He said he was confident that match-fixing was not “entirely widespread and prevalent”, but added that it was still a “serious issue”.”
p.s. that would be “not entirely wide spread.”
Now kids, how to parse that snippet? “not entirely….”
Well, Peter (S), perhaps you need to search a little closer to home…?
Anyway, I will be there tomorrow doing my best to cheer the boys on and overcome all the obstacles, legitimate and otherwise, placed in their path!
Andrew, one objection, and please don’t take this the wrong way (i’m not the whinge type). You wrote:-
“It is now 23 games since he awarded a penalty to us”
This is a bit misleading as though we are supposed to get a penalty every x number of games.
I remember Walter did a series of articles years back on how we didn’t get penalties but my argument was (and I’m pretty sure Walter hasn’t forgiven me for pissing on his fireworks) you can only measure correct / incorrect ones, not the total number of.
Its seems that the one and only superstar player we need to sign for occasions like this is Stone Cold Steve Austin. Oh hell yeah, a stunner for every wrong decision by the referee and linesman. Emirates would erupt!
Was It Something I Yelled?
http://www.ba-bamail.com/Content.aspx?emailid=6990&memberid=763708#.UrfOcPvyQTE
A doctor at an insane asylum decided to take his patients to a baseball game. For weeks in advance, he coached his patients to respond to his commands.
When the day of the game arrived. Everything went quite well. As the National Anthem started, the doctor yelled, “Up Nuts”, and the patients complied by standing up. After the anthem, he yelled, “Down Nuts”, and they all sat back down in their seats.
After a home run was hit, the doctor yelled, “Cheer Nuts” They all broke out into applause and cheered. When the umpire made a particularly bad call against the star of the home team, the Doctor yelled, “Booooo Nuts” and they all started booing and cat calling.
Comfortable with their response, the doctor decided to go get a beer and a hot dog, leaving his assistant in charge. When he returned, there was a riot in progress.
Finding his tizzied assistant, the doctor asked,” What in the world happened?” The assistant replied, “Well everything was going just fine until this guy walked by and yelled, “PEANUTS!”
Dean… I always get bad feeling in my stomach when see him on pitch. Until famous 4:4 game with NUFC+Dowd I always believed there is no chance to get screwed by ref if you play enough good (score enough). But in general, I still believe, if we are on top tonight, and if we manage to play the way we play, Dean wont stop us, not that he wont try, but he will not be able to.
A year or two ago in lower Bosnian league home crowd get pissed with ref so they ran on to pitch and tried to catch him. They chased him trough local villages with ax. Finally after hours of chase ref managed to hide in barn and hide among cows. Granny who owned farm was not football fan so she didn’t betray ref. Wish Dean was there.
Sometimes it really makes you wish this sort of medieval punishments could be applied to the guilty party. As by the principles that define them they are nothing short of an absolutist monarchy.
I think there is an overcomplication taking place, we have crap stats since 2007 because we have steadily gotten worse as a team since then. We should be looking at ourselves not the ref. How many times have we shot ourselves in the foot by not doing our jobs properly ?! If we lose to Chelsea it will be because we didn’t score enough goals and we conceded too many, Dean will not be a contributing factor.
It doesn’t matter, we have a team which will cancel out every move he makes.
Commenting on excerpt from Mandy link, “The one thing that scares you the most about this whole industry is the idea that integrity could be impugned in any way.”
Is he for real? What integrity is there left in the epl, doesn’t he watch Atkinson and co twist results every week.
Armin
Spot on, you can’t beat a determined ref, no matter how many goals you score.
It’s still better than the Brazillian ref who got the “Braveheart Treatment” in July …
I really want to see an AC Milan 3-0 type of game tonight
No ref can hurt us on such a domination
Becoming increasingly concerned as to whether or not tonight’s match will actually happen! The impending storm is already stated to disrupt transport arrangements – getting home will be fun (not) – and I don’t see how a football match can be played in 60mph gusts and torrential rain?
I’m sure the pitch will cope but games are normally called off because spectator conditions are unsafe…
Fine that thehothead has finally rubbished all the stats with Dean.
thehothead, if I may ask you then why does Arsenal has a win % of over 50% with all other refs and with Dean it was around 7%?
Because if we are worse as a team then it should be visible in the same way with all the refs. But only Dean (and Probert) have such terrible stats. And yes Probert is next in line for our game at Newcastle. The most home biased ref in one of the stadiums where the home crowd can get on the ref…
Pete,
Watching the news also and this is starting to look like the match could get cancelled, with the worst affected region to be the South. Train companies have reduced or cancelled services, and an Amber warning is in place with the advice being to travel only if absolutely necessary I don’t see how travelling to and from a match could be viewed as absolutely necessary.
It would be nice for it to go ahead though, as we wouldn’t want another fixtures pile-up later on.
The BBC have kindly published a photo of a tree lying on my train line. Guess I will be forced to stay in London then!
I’ve just called the club and they say that there is “no indication” of the match being called off…
There may be one or two empty seats this evening.
Good luck Pete, thank you for braving the weather and hope we will be rewarded with 3 points.
Yes the story continues…..
Stuart yet again as predicted no penalty for Arsenal and I can remember a few matches in that run where we should have had a penalty. But yet again same old story: he will not give it.
thehothead,
I think you’re missing something. If the case is that a team has deteriorated, that has nothing to do with the ref making incorrect decisions that mostly favour the opposition.
Walter,
Yes, no penalty although I think it should have been this time around but x amount of games without a penalty means nothing.
You do know that your loss and draw numbers for several of the seasons in the league table for Deans performances are the wrong way round?
For example 07/08 and 08/07 you have 4 defeats and there were none, those “defeats” were draws.
Plus some of you goals for and against are wrong.
His overall record when reffing Arsenal is
W16 D13 L10 F61 A39
Excuse the typos and that’s just his record for PL games.
@Andrew
Just picking nits. The vertical lines separating red cards from yellow cards (and what not) should be thicker, or a different colour.
Nice report, I got so annoyed at this result, I am manually entering in what data I can find going back to 1992/93. There has to be proof which predates Riley which shows what is going on. And how Riley develops it.