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Tottenham v Arsenal under the new rules

By Bulldog Drummond

We’ve just lost three successive games.

The last time we lost four successive games was in October 2002.  Now if the aaa had had their way then and called for Wenger to go, then there would have been disruption in the club and eventually a new manager would have been found.

I suspect the new manager would have done all right because the squad was rather good, but I am not sure if 2003/04 would have been quite as good as it actually turned out to be.  If you recall we went the whole season unbeaten.

So sometimes poor results don’t actually mean that the sky is about to fall in.  It could just be that reform is just around the corner.

However we all know the new rules: only recent events matter.

I have often wondered what would have happened to Arsenal in the past if the club had worked to these rules – rules that say that a run of poor results means you are out.

As this site has pointed out many times, Arsene Wenger is the most successful manager the club has ever had, with the highest win percentage, with the most trophies, and with taking on clubs that have wealth and resources far beyond anything that could have been imagined in past eras.   And financing the building of a stadium along the way.

Sometimes people write in to Untold and say that George Graham was a better manager, despite leaving the club languishing in 13th position the day he was sacked, the club being 26 points off the top of the league.  We had won seven, drawn eight and lost nine of our games that season.

Graham of course was not sacked for poor results and a low position in the league, but for pocketing a part of the transfer fee paid to the Danish club, Brndby, for John Jensen in August 1992.

But if the current feeling among some people who call themselves supporters had been prevalent then he would have gone long before.   A run of ten league games without a win in which Arsenal scored just two goals in 1987 would surely have been enough to lead for demands for him to have been sacked.

Certainly Herbert Chapman would never have lasted long enough to give Arsenal the club’s first ever trophies.  Six consecutive defeats in 1927 during which the club let in 26 goals would have seen him show the door without even a cup final to his name.  And even if he had survived that, eight consecutive defeats in 1928 would have led to a raft of “enough is enough” t-shirts surely, if they had had t-shirts in 1928.

Fortunately Sir Henry Norris was loyal to his managers, and Chapman survived.

And moving forwards, poor Bertie Mee would never have won that Double under these rules because of that run of two wins in 17 in 1967.

But now it is all different.  Be it the start of a reign or later on, you are only as good as your last few games.

And therein lies a problem, because all teams, no matter how good, have bad runs.  The issue is not what happens last week and the week before, but rather how good that manager shows he is in the long term.   Arsenal has won two trophies across the last two seasons, just like Chelsea and Man City, two more than all the other clubs, and now we are having a bad run, so there are people who want the manager out and the owner out.

Of course maybe that would work in some way, but for it to work the manager would have to have the best ever win percentage of any manager in the entire history of the club.  That’s quite a demand, given the huge levels of funding that are constantly available to Man U, Man C and Chelsea.

As for today, I suspect everyone knows pretty much what the team will be…

Oooooooooospina

Bellerin Mertesacker Gabriel Monreal

Coquelin Ramsey

Aleis Ozil Welbeck

Giroud

On the beach: Macey, Chambers, Gibbs, Flamini, Elneny, Campbell, Walcott

Tottenham are a dirty team, with 54 yellow cards this season to Arsenal’s 31, so the normal tension of the match, already heightened by the doom mongering of the aaa will be made even more feisty by the fouls.

Tottenham have not finished above Arsenal in the league for over 7500 days, so like all runs it will end sometime, as this site often says.  Arsenal’s current poor run will end sometime, Tottenham might well win the league sometime – the first time since colour TV was invented.  Today it could be either, it could be both, it could be neither.

So whether you think the facts and figures I like to run towards the end of these previews actually tell you that a sequence will continue or is about to end depends, I suppose, on your psychological make up.  If you are a positive sort of person you’ll see it turning in Arsenal’s favour, if not, well, you don’t have a very happy life – at least until the run ends.

The facts are that we have only won one of the last seven league games played in Tottenham High Road (please do remember they don’t play in White Hart Lane despite what the media might tell you).

But we have won there this season.  Remember Flamini?  (Oh yes and that funny little person who twitted to the effect that if Flamini ever plays for Arsenal again he’s supporting Leicester)

Both clubs lost their last league match, and when it comes to matches against the top teams, the Tiny Totts lost to Leciester – a club whom Arsenal have beaten twice this season.

Our last six away games have been three draws and three defeats.  That looks awful.  But on the other hand we have taken 10 points from games against the current top four this season.  No other club can match that.  (Isn’t it funny how in past seasons some “supporters” have quote the league table of the top four against each other.  They don’t do that this season).

And what of poor Alexis Sanchez.  Not a goal in 11 matches in the league.   Only a turnip on meths would actually believe Alexis is not a great player, so that run will end sooner or later.  In fact sometimes a negative run can actually be a better prelude to a game than a positive.

Ultimately it all comes down to a simple question: do you support the club or not?   Untold readers do, that’s why those of us who write for Untold do what we do.

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195 comments to Tottenham v Arsenal under the new rules

  • laos gooner

    Like the last paragraph. Many of the pretend supporters would do well to browse their dictionaries. Some of us have supported since 71 with the wait til 89 for another title. We never stopped going to home or away fixtures. We kept our humour throughout the seasons. One wonders that people do not become embarrassed when hearing vociferous away support at the Elms. The team should be the best at every competition they enter, displaying world class to supporters so fickle they might just become foxes. Introspection is clearly not on their agenda as moaning without solutions is so much easier

  • Nice one there. You just put things in perspective. A poor run is what it is. It cannot last forever and though this bad patch is too close to the end of the season, we all wish it would be different. But then, it is what it is. We can pull thru and still win the title. Not in this poor form and not with this frown from Lady Luck. Let the guys keep doing their best. Glory is inevitable with the talent and determination they are capable of mustering. They’ve done great this season, they can do it again.

  • nicky

    All the stats in the world cannot change historical peculiarity.
    For over a century, Arsenal FC have defied the odds and clutched victory from the jaws of almost certain defeat.(And failed to win when at home, on form and playing against a minnow).
    The latest example was the away win at Olympiacos in the CL by a two-goal goal difference, forecast as too great a burden to overcome.
    Spurs will be aware of Arsenal’s record and will be very afraid.

  • para

    “So sometimes poor results don’t actually mean that the sky is about to fall in. It could just be that reform is just around the corner.”

    I hope Spuds have read the script, and more importantly that Arsenal have. 🙂

  • John

    Bulldog
    You posted-The last time we lost four successive games was in October 2002. Now if the aaa had had their way then and called for Wenger to go, then there would have been disruption in the club and eventually a new manager would have been found.

    The difference in the 4 losses then was that we had just won the league and cup double and the league again 2 years previous.
    This time we have only have 2 FA cup wins to show in the last 12 years and not finished in the top 2 for over a decade!!!

  • serge

    “It could just be that reform is just around the corner”

    I know I’m taking this completely out of context, but what “reform” did you have in mind?
    If it’s what I think you’re hinting at then we’re going to need a new set of acronyms: e.g. LAW.

  • Al

    I’m not concerned by the three losses on the bounce thing, in all the matches we were the better team, just that luck didn’t go out way plus the pgmol conspiring to deny us the victories we warranted. If this team was not creating chances then that would be cause for concern.

  • Brickfields Gunners

    True love is hard , often painful and complicated, but totally rewarding . On the other hand spending some fucking money ….

    http://truthfacts.com/truthfacts/2016/02/05

  • Brickfields Gunners

    Walter , hope you are all pumped up for your shot at stardom . Makeup ! Lights ! Cameras! FACTS !

    Anyway here’s a joke you could use to lighten the mood and it wouldn’t offend fans of either side !

    Emmanuel Adebayor Emmanuel Adebayor walks into a sperm donor bank in London… “I’d like to donate some sperm” he says to the receptionist.
    “Certainly Sir” replies the receptionist, “have you donated before?”.
    “Yes” replies Emmanuel “you should have my details on your computer”.
    “Oh yes, I’ve found your details” says the receptionist “but I see you’re going to need help. Shall I call your wife for you?”
    “Why do I need help?” asks Emmanuel.
    The receptionist replies “Well, it says on your record that you’re a useless wanker….”

  • Brickfields… couldn’t you help Walter out a bit here. I mean, at least translate it into Flemish.

    Adebayor walks into a sperm donor bank in London.

    Adebayor loopt in een spermadonor bank in Londen.

    Now just carry on.

  • Incidentally Arsenal are in the semi-final of the FA Youth Cup after beating Liverpool last night. Will play Man City.

  • Josif

    @Bulldog,

    Arsenal have won 4 trophies since Ozil’s arrival. Community Shield is a trophy.

    I had a brief change of arguments with a moaner who said that Wenger hasn’t beaten Mourinho once in 14 attempts. When I said Arsene won their 4th clash – a Community Shield – he called it a dressed up friendly and that only league matches matters. Then I corrected him that Arsene and Mou didn’t play 14 league matches but 11. But, why where did he find 14 matches at the first place? Well, he counted a Community Shield 2005.

  • The team according to Arsenal.com

    Arsenal: Ospina, Bellerin, Mertesacker, Gabriel, Gibbs, Elneny, Coquelin, Ramsey, Ozil, Alexis, Welbeck

    An interesting re-arrangement with Giroud on the beach…

    Arsenal substitutes: Macey, Chambers, Gibbs, Flamini, Campbell, Walcott, Giroud

    That however puts Gibbs both on the beach and in the team. Monreal playing?

  • 4-4-2 has Gibbs in the team and Monreal on the beach.

  • Mick

    Apparently Monreal has a slight calf strain so will not start.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners

  • ARSENAL 13

    This is such bollocks….they touch us nothing. we touch they dive!!!?

  • Rodelero

    Unless I missed one, it took twenty four minutes for us to get a freekick our way. They must have had half a dozen – every time they call for one basically.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Ooooossspina.

    Come on

  • Rodelero

    Great save by Ospina. Not looking safe at the moment. Bellerin booked after an incredibly dramatic dive by Danny Rose.

    Somewhat off topic but their pitch is an absolute mess.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners…

    Stand up and right

    Come on

  • ARSENAL 13

    Fight

  • Rodelero

    Double standards galore here. Nothing egregious but lots of little inconsistencies. Been a lot better since Ospina’s wonderful save.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Rambo….. Yyyeeeeaaahhhhh

    Yyyeeeeaaahhhhhrrrrrr
    Yyyyyyyeeeeeaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrt

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come onnnnnn

    Gguuunnnneeerrrrrrssssss

  • Rodelero

    If we can shut up for the remainder of this half and the first fifteen of the next, things will be looking really good.

    They’re a dangerous side and they’re energised as hell.

    Lots of chances to counter attack now though, we’ve had more chances since the goal than before it.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Oooooo Danny buoy…

  • Rodelero

    The way they’re set up now suits us down to the ground. A lot more space going forward for Welbeck’s pace.

  • para

    That was a great goal, had to see it again.

    A bit over cautious at first causing some mistakes, but recovered well. Thought Bellerin was getting “fat” and falling asleep 🙂 in the firat 20-30 mins.

  • Menace

    I’m sitting in a power outage -not unusual for evenings in Goa. The short time the power came back I saw a lovely Ramsy goal

  • Rodelero

    Undoubtedly the most dangerous point in the patch is the beginning of the second half. Their pace and pressure and energy is a large part of why they are where they are in the league. It ebbed towards the end of the first half and it will ebb in the second half, we’ve just got to get there.

    Bit worried about the possibilityof a red card, especially as Oliver is punishing us more heavily than them for every tackle. Coquelin and Bellerin need to be careful, but it’s damned hard against so many fast players (some of whom happily dive).

  • Josif

    Welbeck has been the best so far. Coquelin and Elneny sacrifice for the team, it takes a lot to battle with Spuds’ midfielders. And, if you question Gibbs’ inclusion, just remember he has been a hero in both previous NLD this season: 1) a goal-clearance at 1:1 in COC to deny fantastic Kane’s volley and 2) an equalizer to deny their thug-display three points.

    Ospina made a brilliant save.

    Worried a bit about Le Coq and Bellerin as they are on a yellow card.

  • ARSENAL 13

    You get to know that world lacks intelligent people when Jenas is in the studio doing punditry!!!!!

  • Menace

    Come on you Arsenal – where’s that turd in a john now? Its a Wenger team every one of them. Where is your team you smelly rat?

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners
    Come on gunners
    Come on gunners

  • ARSENAL 13

    Finding more space now…

  • ARSENAL 13

    Shit….

  • Al

    Pigmob strikes again

  • Rodelero

    Coquelin you idiot. Don’t think you deserved the first because you were fouled by Erikson, but that was so bloody stupid.

  • para

    Well well.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Wow…that’s just…come on.Kane dint have to do that.he forked his legs go feel Coquelin

  • Al_The_Gunner

    clearest dive
    not even just a yellow

  • Va Cong

    what the fuck was that coquelin?!?

  • ARSENAL 13

    Ospina…. Yyyeeeeaaahhhhh

  • Josif

    A clear second yellow card. Coquelin knew he would get a second yellow.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners

    Fight.
    Fight hard.
    Come on ARSENAL.

  • Al_The_Gunner

    only if you’ve got blackiest glasses that is a yellow

  • andy bishop

    Absolutely..we are controlling the game and Coquelin wtf ….run Kane into the corner flag.

  • Josif

    Ospina with a fantastic save again.

    The pressure is mounting. Arsene, please, make a call.

  • ARSENAL 13

    I agree….that was a soft card to concede.

  • Va Cong

    We don’t make it easy Arsenal 13, i miss the first 40 minutes, so didn’t see the first yellow!

  • Serge

    I’m watching on a Portugese stream and they showed the graphic of the save that injured Ospina. The ball was only about two centimetres from being over the line. God old goaline tech.
    Oh! Now Spurs have scored

  • ARSENAL 13

    Noooooooo….

    Come on ARSENAL

  • Va Cong

    Come on gunners

  • ARSENAL 13

    Oops

  • Al

    The first yellow he was fouled by two players. The second one Kane’s legs went searching for Coq’s body like a heat-seeking missile. Cheats!

  • Va Cong

    and now the cunt has scored AL

  • Al_The_Gunner

    that will be pretty pretty hard..

  • akasuna

    Nice..Arsenal never wins from a man down..so that’s it..why are we still talking about a title? $th place is not safe anymore.The players and manager are bunch of school kids!

  • Al

    And here they come out of the woodwork

  • dan

    Too dumb too stupid, 2 mins blown it

  • Va Cong

    Yup Al they weren’t here when we scored now they come out when we out down out of out toilet seats

  • gooneress no1

    The ref is so predictable.

  • louisa

    what the hell is going on with this team!! this is not Wenger’s fault! his team are bottling it and our manager is probably going to take the fall for it! 2-1 spuds!! we are now going to be caught by Man city and Man United

  • dan

    Al
    say what u want, it’s over!!!!

    We really need to start looking now.

  • Serge

    I’m sure there was an offside in the build up to Spurs second goal. Whoever it was who passed to Kane came from an offside position before getting involved in play

  • ARSENAL 13

    Look at that cheat lamela

  • Al

    And that’s it, I’m done with this fucking stinking English league. We’re English we don’t cheat my ass. Bloody nonsense.

  • akasuna

    Next time I suggest the untold writers to write a grim match preview so that we can win. All these positive spin are not working..

  • Va Cong

    why the fuck is lamela not yellowed? so fucked up he was still in the pitch

  • dan

    Man, somebody needs to talk to our boys, we’re too fragile.

  • Menace

    Cheating bastads – & PGMO allowing it all. Alli offside before the goal.

  • Milan

    Again falling like a deck of cards…. Is anyone surprised?

  • Va Cong

    akasuna go fuck yourself get some satisfaction in your little negative world

  • Josif

    Come on, boys, do something!

  • Milan

    Meanace look again Gibbs was playing him onside from halfway line.

  • Josif

    @menace

    Alli wasn’t offside, Gibbs played him onside.

  • Va Cong

    Milan dan go have fisting orgy with each other

  • gooneress no1

    Not watching the game Dan!

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners…

  • akasuna

    Nice Va Cong. That’s how you respond to criticism. By abusing other people?

  • dan

    Va cong.

    I’ve not said anything negative, take it back!

  • SidTCD

    Ali was not offside, Gibbs played him on. Mertesacker naïve to get beaten to the ball, Coquelin irresponsible to make stupid challenge when we were dominating this game, he should be made to take the tube home.

  • Milan

    Aksuna, don’t worry there will be a article on the ref coming up very soon 🔜 lol

  • Va Cong

    yeah why not its how you respond akasuna you little spiral of spew just using your language to communicate with you. do you like?

  • SidTCD

    This game was ours to win until Coq cocked up, soooo stupid ………

  • dan

    Even the BT cunts are happy.

  • Milan

    It’s time to finish out the top four so this dictator is banished to the nether region

  • Rodelero

    There it is. I’m boiling with rage.

    Lamela pushes Sanchez, directly in front of linesman, Sanchez pushes back. Sanchez is yellow carded, but Lamela SURELY has to be also, even if his push is less aggressive it is the provocation.

    The same linesman of course missed the fact that their goal was COMPLETELY offside.

    This isn’t a sport
    This isn’t a sport
    This isn’t a sport

    This is theatre, operated for dirty money.

  • Va Cong

    too dumb to stupid dan well done for you positive comment

  • ARSENAL 13

    Hahahahahahahaha…. This is diers first card!!!!

  • Menace

    dan – are you raelly an Arsenal supporter or just a lick arse WOB.

  • gouresh

    Forget the ref, are v playing well? That’s what we should be focused on.

  • gooneress no1

    Not only is the ref predictable but so are the spurs players..

  • dan

    Va
    he had for defenders covering.

  • Serge

    Looks like it will be route one now

  • dan

    Sanchezzzzzzzz.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Alexis…..yyyeeeeaaahhhhh

    Come onnn

    Yyyeeeeaaahhhhh
    Yyyeeeeaaahhhhh
    Yyyyhhyyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh

  • Milan

    We hey where did that Come from

  • Serge

    Sanchez!

  • Va Cong

    keep the faith danny boi only 2-1

  • Va Cong

    get in there!!!

  • ARSENAL 13

    Electric Alexis.

    Come on boys

  • Josif

    ALLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

  • Milan

    Please don’t lose this. Hold on and go for the counter.

  • para

    Will Giroud be the hero today?
    Come on

  • dan

    Menace
    why insult me, really why?

    Give me a reason, I’ve not bad mouthed anyone.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Isn’t that a Yellow to Walker.

  • Menace

    Gouresh how can you forget the traffic cop? He booked Alexis & now watch him go.

  • Milan

    Why the hell is wenger playing such a high line. This is suicidal.

  • ARSENAL 13

    That’s second yellow

  • dan

    Ref is a cunt.

  • Va Cong

    Menace why do we even try to understand fucking ref

  • Va Cong

    cheating bastards

  • John

    Well menace you indian cesspit..What are you going to blame it on this time??Referees by any chance?Did the referee go sliding in recklessly after being booked.Lets face it you are running out of excuses and people think your incessant rants about referees comical .This team and manager arent good enough.Its time for change big change.

  • ARSENAL 13

    High line Milan,

    Now therz nothing to lose. Let’s go all out.

  • Menace

    see the PGMO at work pen & red card not seen by the cheats. Giroud pulled.

  • Josif

    F..k you, Oliver!

  • Va Cong

    diving spurs

  • Milan

    That was a dive. Not a yellow for the shirt pull though

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners

    Fight on

  • dan

    Come on Welbeck

  • Va Cong

    so John did you see the second yellow offence on foul on Giroud?

  • Va Cong

    Hello John? you watching the same match?

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners… Fight fight

  • ARSENAL 13

    Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Alexis…

  • Milan

    Get up you knob Ali…. Tosser diving around like a sissy

  • dan

    Fucking hell Gabriel

  • ARSENAL 13

    Gulp…Gabriel!!!

  • Milan

    My God Gabriel what the hell was that

  • Menace

    Va Cong – Milan & John both share the same shit hole. Oliver is playing for spurs with clever ignorance.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Come on gunners…

    Fight

  • ARSENAL 13

    Yyyeeeeaaahhhhh

    Come on

  • dan

    Wtf BT sport piece of shit!!!!!

  • Menace

    StarSports commentator caught out claiming a doul & then shut up whe it was a throw. Corrupt brown nose pundits.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Ramboooooeee……

  • louisa

    Walter you stop your users posting racial comments like John or I will report your site to the police for harbouring racial members! I will Untold removed!! do I make myself clear?? and please do not ignore this message because its my job to monitor sites just like this one!

  • ARSENAL 13

    Respect

  • Va Cong

    what happened louisa?!

  • dan

    Easily would of won this 11vs11, Good day for Leicester.

  • Va Cong

    what happened Arsenal 13? mu stream cut off

  • ARSENAL 13

    Passion. Character. Leadership.

    #respect.

  • ARSENAL 13

    Draw game. Game over.

  • dan

    Louisa

    this is a forum, Censorship is not welcomed.

  • Va Cong

    We looked more potent today arsenal 13, lets go on winning all our games now! Boom!

  • Rodelero

    So we’ve been screwed again. I’m really happy we equalised, because Spurs don’t get three points, but we’ve still been robbed of two.

    Dier staying on is criminal. Lamela staying on is highly suspect. Their second goal is CLEARLY offside.

  • Milan

    Well at least we have one point in three games. Good progress lads.

  • andy bishop

    But level headed and reasoned polite comments are welcomed

  • ARSENAL 13

    ARSENAL lack leaders….well. I saw 10 there…

  • Va Cong

    Rodelero what can you do but play better than 12 men we can do it!

  • Milan

    Lousia is it time of the month? Get out of here you dirty scum supporter.

  • Va Cong

    Beautifully said Arsenal 13

  • andy bishop

    We threw three points away… Coquelin was irresponsible at a time when we were looking to control the game and push for the second…that is why we were playing a high line..anyone notice?

  • Milan

    West ham Everton city away n let alone home ones
    [: We will be 4th if city win games in hand

  • Milan

    Andy yes I noticed. Mentioned it earlier.

  • serge

    dan

    you asked Menace why he insulted you. Put simply: that’s what he does. He does it to anyone who has a different opinion, and he gets away with it because he is one of the main critics of referees, so the blogger lets him carry on regardless.

  • ARSENAL 13

    ARSENAL lack passion…

    Well, this is passion. Channeling it in the right way is important. Not shouting and lunging into tackels….

  • Dave C

    Dyer should have been off. Countless undeniable bad calls by the refs in every match ignoring the other club’s offenses.

  • Josif

    Great character to get a point with ten men. Full respect for the players and the manager who made correct calls from the bench.

    Coquelin’s stupid tackle on a yellow card and Oliver’s leniency towards Dier probably deprived us of a victory. Bellerin was lucky to escape second booking as well though.

    About Lamela’s pushing of Alexis – if Coquelin didn’t get a second yellow card against Leicester for more obvious push, then Lamela shouldn’t get a second yellow card either. If Lamela should have been sent off for something, it was that theatrical reaction after Alexis’ pushed him back. The commentator on Sport Klub said that someone should say Lamela that Di Caprio had already won Oscar.

    Ospina – apart from being the biggest time-waster in our team – is a brilliant goalkeeper.

  • Menace

    John – I’m back in blighty mid march & will be glad to share some perfume. Unfortunately you cannot alter your natural aroma of ‘queens jewels’ in a john.

    Wengers football team are awesome even with 14 playing against 10. Oliver is a shameful spud supporter because his boss Riley tells him what to do. Looking forward to St Totterings day – may be a bit late this year.

  • louisa

    Va Cong, calling someone an Indian Cesspit which John did! has no place in society. Untold even though you have two very clear groups, the AAA and AKB, is usually an extremely good website with quality fans who may have differing opinions however behave in a proper manner and love there club and rightly so, however if just one member decides to air his racial views it shows really badly on the rest of the site and the people who comment through love of the club. Untold in my opinion sets itself apart from other sites and I would hate to see this messed up by the odd idiot

  • Josif

    So, we have John insulting people on the racial ground (Menace) and Milan insulting people on the sexist ground (louisa).

    John Terry and Jose Mourinho?

  • serge

    I still say Spurs second was offside. As the ball came in from the right a Spurs player (Alli?) was clearly a yard off, but not involved in play, so the ref was justified in letting it go, but he then moved towards the ball when it went passed him and collected it before passing to Kane. Surely that’s offside.
    Great game though, even though I thought we were robbed.

  • Al

    Dan
    You condoning racism, for real?? That’s very low. I’ll leave that to the site moderators, but racial comments are an absolute no no.

    John and Milan
    Obnoxious cunts. Youre both fucking wankers, youre obviously gutted the team equalised. And to the bellend called Milan, taking a cheap shot at a lady, really? classy.

  • Wow the sewer rats won’t rant so much, but why!?? conquerin gets a second yellow card but lamella and his friends don’t, no replays either. Can not believe it that these morons hate us to that extent. Thanks Gunners for that support, you really made us proud today ‘ooooospina is our lucky charm, we have been missing have it back now.

  • Yassin

    Rodelo,

    And dont forget the 2nd yellow on wimmer for the foul+hand on Gibbs

    But no the rules are only applied on Arsenal (Coqulinn)

  • Va Cong

    Just saw louisa, John Milan are not really part of untold so just wait for moderation to be done. Imbeciles will be imbeciles. Well forest gump said stupid is stupid does don’t try to understand louisa as your not stupid you will never understand their ignorance.

  • gooneress no1

    Louisa why cause the rest of us to suffer? That would be in my opinion as grossly unfair as the ref today.

  • Va Cong

    louisa there are alot of idiots but as we are such intellects we give freedom of speech and then theres some with verbal diarrhoea

  • Josif

    @serge – there was a clear reply on Sport Klub where you could see Gibbs playing Alli onside. Our central defenders didn’t react well at either of their goals.

    Where the ref went wrong (amateur-view):

    -Lamela’s theatrical dive that could have easily resulted with a second yellow card,

    -Dier’s second bookable offence – the biggest wrong call of the game,

    -Ospina’s time-wasting – no yellow cards,

    -Bellerin’s second bookable offence – two wrongs don’t make one right.

  • Tasos

    Good comeback. Could easily have lost the game from the 2-1 down with 10 men.

    Why did the ref not book Dier for shirt pulling. Blatant yellow card offence and second booking meant red.

    One rule for one. This League wreaks.

    Arsenal will have to overcome too many obstacles to win this sham of a competition.

  • The post match report is now on untold

    http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/50929

    Have fun.

  • The post match report is now on untold

    http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/50929

    Have fun.

  • Milan

    Va cong, don’t be pretty now. We’re highline the facts for you and you isn’t believe information we send ha.

  • serge

    I figure that was our hardest fixture of the run in. Now that it’s out of the way can we please concentrate on the rest of the matches and actually win some of them. To use the old cliche “it’s out of our hands”, but if Leicester bottle it Spurs will follow. We could have taken them apart today.

  • Menace

    The Wimmer tackle on Ramsey should have been a red card & pen as Wimmer didn’t touch the ball. But hey we are talking PGMF Professional Game Mother no Match Fixers.

  • Second reminder – the match summary as it happened is now on line. Time to continue the discussion there.

    http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/50929

  • Menace

    StarSports commentator caught out claiming a foul & then shut up whe it was a throw. Corrupt brown nose pundits.

  • gooneress no1

    Anyway John you are a very sick person.

    Back to the game I just knew that Spurs would play that way facilitated by the corrupt ref and the spineless media muppets.

  • You are being very horrible to me not reading my report in the next post.

  • Polo

    Arsenal was so close to nick it at the end. If only Ramsay didn’t take another step but what a match saving tackle from the Spurs player. Well done to the boys for battling, I thought we would lose heavily in this match but it’s good I got the feeling wrong. Hopefully, this is the start of a long winning run like last season where we went on a 8 game winning streak.

    @John, although I don’t agree with your views but I do respect them, however racially abusing another member is absolutely wrong, let keep our heads straight and debate maturely please.

    @Liousa, this is a good site and majority of the time comments are reasonable, please don’t let one person’s idiotic comment ruin for the rest of us. Bigotry has no place in society and let hope that particular member will reflect and change his view.

  • Brickfields Gunners

    We played with fervour , passion and fairly . Well done guys . Don’t think I can say the same for the cheating and diving Spuds . Am proud of our players for giving their all.

    PIGMOB will get their comeuppance soon . Wouldn’t be at all surprised that refs the world over are cringing at these clowns performances.The EPL is fixed . Am waiting for the fixers to attack themselves in a feeding frenzy .

    If the England players try these stunts overseas , they’ll be off for very early baths.
    As for the usual clowns on here , just ignore them as the rim and fist each other in glee.They are NOT Arsenal fans ! Don’t even mention their names . Just laugh at them.

    Up the Gunners !

  • Menace

    Louisa – Thank you for showing concern. I’ve worked in England all my (working) life & I’ve been called worse. Racism is not new & name calling is not an issue. The worst kind of racism is that from the media. They choose when to call Wenger ‘the Frenchman’ so that it is derrogatory.

  • serge

    While I agree with all of you re racism & sexism I must say to Louisa that you are so obviously not the internet police you are pretending to be, and there is no way that you could get Untold “removed” as you claim.
    Hope you enjoyed your afternoon “monitoring” our comments.

  • dan

    Al
    That was not racist, I’m a member of a ethnic group, and for the internet police, if you like it then don’t watch it!

  • Menace

    dan – apologies if I upset you. It was the fact that you called our boys fragile. Sporting is not fragile. Both Josif & I got your comment as anti Arsenal. Anyone who says anything derrogatory about our players gets some bile from me when I am high on adrenelin watching the Arsenal. I love the Arsenal & will do everything I can to help us win in Wengers sporting clean football style.

    Coq was carded for mistimed sliding tackle that was exactly the same as the one on Ramsey at the end.

  • dan

    Menace

    apology accepted, however, Coq shouldn’t of dived in, anyone not sensing this bastard ref was going to send our player off must be lying to themselves. We scored my spider sensing kicked.

  • John

    Louisa
    Are you a solicitor by any chance .You might make an easy buck by my tongue in cheeek remark.Im not racist even though i mention a country where menance spends most of his time.Where are you when the untold MENACE verbally ABUSES referees ,pundits,players ,managers and fellow posters when they dare have a difference of opinion than him.Some of the vitreol he spews is quite comical ,if insulting to some.Hell almost all the posters on here accuse someone or something for our failings as a club….Apart from our manager!!Who is god.

  • John

    Tony Tony..
    Please ban AL he has insulted me..Im mentally scarred by his abuse.Hes called me and milan -Obnoxious cunts. Youre both fucking wankers.Please stop this and louise you yourself must be insulted by this!!

  • Racial abuse has no place in any way shape or form in any society. When you come on this site it’s only to get an argument and being the Suppoters and lover’s of The Arsenal that we are we won’t let you away with snide remarks, Menace gives as good as he gets but he does not racial abuse anyone nor do the rest of us. Constructive criticism is a good thing and cuts both ways but people who set out just to cause arguments must have very sad and lonely live’s if that is their only enjoyment. Now I would not let anyone away if they shouted abuse at someone I love and the same goes for my team. We are grown ups on this site so it’s time that a few on here caught up with the rest of us.

  • Va Cong

    Haha Milan what are you smoking?

  • Va Cong

    Hey Linda I was just giving John and Milan what they have been doing on here and they are throwing their toys out of their prams. Don’y worry I’ll buy them dummies. Or they could suck on each other.

  • Menace

    ‘dan
    March 5, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    Al
    say what u want, it’s over!!!!

    We really need to start looking now.’

    This is why I was rude. You are without doubt a WOB.

  • John

    Linda quite right too racists need to be banned ,but to say racial abuse is worse than calling someone a CxNT ,a FAT BXXTARD or any other derogatory term is just plain wrong.

  • Linda

    my mistake I of course meant racists abuse in my haste I make a grammar mistake. Va Cong I get where you are coming from because it seem’s it’s the only language they know and that is sad. By calling someone a Fat B*****d is to discriminate but I’m quite sure you already knew that.