36 responses

  1. Family Enclosure Man
    10/05/2012

    Totally agree. Would love someone to checkout the officials involved in the ECL Final 2006!

  2. Pete
    10/05/2012

    Hope something does come of this as something stinks and FEM your not wrong on the ECL in 06!

  3. Mandy Dodd
    10/05/2012

    As we know, sometimes to our cost, issues that start in Europe have a habit of finding their way here. This will be a final warning for scudamore/pgmol and others to get their house in order. Will they take heed. If eufa think something rotten is going on here, let’s face it, they are not going to let us off the hook

  4. Pete
    10/05/2012

    The full report is here:
    http://ec.europa.eu/sport/news/documents/study-sports-fraud-final-version_en.pdf

    It is pretty meaty stuff – well written too IMO after a quick scan – thanks for the pointer Tony!

    Check-out the table on page 46!

  5. timao
    10/05/2012

    hard to tell the difference between possible fixing and downright incompetence sometimes, but maybe that’s the point.

    how hard would it be to get competent refs if they were offered a half-decent match fee? say 1per cent of the combined income of the players and managers involved, or a minimum £10k per game.

    recruit from the ranks of ex-tennis pros or some other sport that involves an ability to observe fast-moving objects (i.e. not bank managers and garden furniture salesmen).

    the pgmol is a joke they don’t even seem to understand their own rules. accidental handball in the box is particular bugbear. the rule states that it is only a penalty if there is movement of the arm towards the ball. but how many times have we seen pens given for the ball being kicked at an arm. now we have the ridiculous sight of players defending with hands tucked behind their backs like naughty schoolboys. it provides the referee with a perfect opportunity to influence the outcome of game without attracting any criticism.

  6. Trennon
    10/05/2012

    Anybody questioning this site and sending threatening e-mails your way are clearly United supporters. I completely agree with your assessment into the fixing of matches in this country and would welcome a full investigation. The fact that Riley, who was blatantly in favor of United while being a ref himself, was appointed as chief in charge of the refs association, ensured that the ref favoritism shown to United will well and truly continue into the future. I personally am sick of it. Not only because I’m an Arsenal boy through and through, but because I’m a football fan. This year especially, we have seen some of the most blatant ref decisions under the sun and the amount of non penalties earned by United for blatant cheating. RVP’s clear penalty at the end of the Norwich game not given. Either their is match fixing or we have the worst refs in the world. Plus I want to see Dein investigated. How we could only have won 2 games in the last 16 he has refereed against us screams match fixing!

  7. Mahdain
    10/05/2012

    the media and a certain fanbase reaction to these kinds of articles say a lot..they dont want the reputation of the league being harmed and cause their bosses some trouble and hence why a person who decides to even suggest match fixing is happening is ridiculed and called a moaner..there are serious questions that need answers from the PGMOL but yet they have decided to keep mum and act as if everything is alright.

  8. Mik
    10/05/2012

    Remember how Wenger pointed out this year that a few teams (Tottenham?) are able to influence the fixtures? Maybe that would be interesting for them to research, although we can do little to dig deeper into this.

    Don’t worry about the release of the new book by the way. I will gladly wait if it means that you can add more information to it 🙂

  9. Ezekiel Obanda
    10/05/2012

    I welcome the idea that match fixing investigations be conducted in each Country affiliated to FIFA!England included!

  10. Strus
    10/05/2012

    I checked dates of this season MU and MC fixtures. Guess what? MU has fewer times to play 2, 3 and 4 days after last match than MC had. Fixtures were used to favour MU too!

  11. Tasos
    10/05/2012

    “given that PGMOL does behave in curious ways (having such a low number of refs, not rotating refs properly so that certain clubs keep getting the same refs)”

    Sunday 13th May
    Sunderland V Man Utd…..Ref; Howard Webb

    The whole rotten system needs investigating.

    • DogFace
      10/05/2012

      @Tasos – LOL, 10-0 to ManU then to blow away the GD?

  12. Mandy Dodd
    10/05/2012

    On the subject, another blog adressing at similar issues to this one had some interesting theories on what would happen in the Brum Blackpool game. This was posted early this week. This site believed the ref would put everything in Brums favour, and gave the reason. I took this advice, laid Pool, who had played brilliantly at 1.17 when they were 2-0 up. After that, the ref did everything to help Brum, offside goal, clear Pool pen not given, several mins of phantonm injury time, every decision against Pool.
    The result 2-2. I do not believe everything on this site, but a tidy profit last night

  13. David
    10/05/2012

    For those that dont believe there is match fixing go and look at Jose Antonio Reyes treatment at old trafford . I have never and hope never to see again a player abused in such a way . There has to have been bent refereeing.
    On the refereeing beurocracy -the Catholic Church took a similar view to some tainted individuals within their ranks .In retrosepect they would have been best served getting to grips with the problem .
    Football needs to clean up its act . It needs to employ all the technology available to help referees judge the situations fairly and impartially .( Rugby refereeing is superb – the video replays actually add to the gane . People say it wouldnt work with offside – rubbish . Let the game flow if unsure then go back and review if a goal is scored )
    Some tines I wonder how valid Uniteds titles really are ??
    Keep up the good work

  14. marcus
    10/05/2012

    I’m just putting my hands over my ears, going “nananananana”,
    and saying,

    “conspiracy theorists”

  15. Edward
    10/05/2012

    This site is such a great innitiative and I bet it is getting attention from the PL-referees allready. Speceally those that might have something to hide…
    I hope it will develope in to someting larger like “Untold Referees” over time. Without the close binding to any specific club and with referee reports from every single EPL-game this site would be impossible to overlook. By that i mean for any one involved or associated with the game.

  16. Stuart
    10/05/2012

    It’s impossible for me to imagine that match fixing doesn’t take place in the cash cow that is the Premier League. If it happens in cricket (allegedly?) and even horse racing then why would it not be in the premier league?? We have a history of allegations in English football, some unproven (either way guilty or not guilty).

  17. WalterBroeckx
    10/05/2012

    Edward,
    if we could get more refs on our reviewers list then we could set it up as a completely different website apart from Untold Arsenal.
    That would be a great thing if we could get that far.
    Last summer we managed to triple our ref reviewing team. If we just could do that again this summer…. then we could almost cover every game if they all would stick to it.

    You started me dreaming…. 😉

  18. Mandy Dodd
    10/05/2012

    Match fixing – this is England , could never happen here! A bit like politicians being corrupt and dishonest, only happens in other countries! Our media uphold the finest traditions of journalism too, and once more, are seen to do so

  19. Prasanna Veeraraghavan
    10/05/2012

    It is really strange that the British Media could not only highlight the match fixing in cricket, catch the players red handed in camera and they keep silent on the same in soccer.

    Is it a way of accepting connivance?

  20. Chrissie
    10/05/2012

    It seems to me that this season, the refs have been more blatant in favouring certain teams. Did anybody watch the Liverpool, Chelsea game? I watched in amazement as Chelsea got the Arsenal treatment, the ref completely igonored the horror tackles from Liverpool and when Chelsea started retaliating out came the cards. Looking forward to the ref review.
    And yes, something needs to be done, perhaps an e-petition open to all fans or some kind of demonstration outside stadias. It probably won’t do much but at least we can let the FA and PGMOL know that we demand change. Why should fans pay out for tickest with their hard-earned cash, only to be cheated out of a good result and why should teams be cheated out of points when it is so much at stake.

  21. Phil Gregory
    10/05/2012

    This is a fantastic idea, great stuff Walter and the team.

    While losing the reviewers from Untold would be a great loss to the site’s writing, I suppose the end game of the process is an independent site once referees from other sides are on the team. A referee analysis website would be fantastic – something like zonal marking does for tactics, but for refereeing.

    It’d be great for raising awareness too – specific articles on fallacies of refereeing etc.

    Walter – have you thought of getting in touch also with English academics who deal with football? There is a lot of work out there on various parts of the game, including referee bias (generally in terms of looking at home advantage). if you could get academic interest in the work, that would open the door for funding, and therefore expansion of the reviewing team through some form of payment, like an academic researcher would get.

    I look forward to reading your response to the report though!

  22. FinnGooner
    10/05/2012

    This was interesting. I read few pages and this on page 117 cought my eye:
    United Kingdom
    There are several ongoing police investigations that could lead to criminal
    sanctions, including one in snooker and one in football (confidential information, no further details). SO English football is clean?

    Also there was a mistake that I noticed (not baad but still. Pesäpallo is Finnish baseball not basketball.

  23. Phil Gregory
    10/05/2012

    finngooner – does that quote imply an ongoing police investigation into match fixing specifically? Because if it doesn’t, I’d presume they’re referring to the investigation into United’s transfer of Bebe.

    On the latter point, I’d be curious to see what Anne thinks of that re: money laundering. Mendes owned 30% of Bebe, then two Mendes clients (Ferguson and Mourinho) end up being interested in Bebe…

  24. Andy Kelly
    10/05/2012

    Of course it could never happen in England. Well, not AGAIN.

    Look through the history of English football and you will find plenty of instances of match fixing.

    No reason why it still doesn’t go on.

  25. Basil
    10/05/2012

    Maybe Arsenal players and management are taking bungs;could explain the abysmal defending on show.When you do some digging you might not like what you find.

  26. Matt Clarke
    10/05/2012

    In Greece the offence carries a 10 year penalty. I would love to see bent refs, club directors and managers get 10 years in jail – plenty of time to discuss the offside rules.

    I liked the Aussie definition, which included, as an offence:
    “interference with the play or playing surfaces by venue staff”
    now why does that ring a bell?

    And, when I read this:
    “The Commission intends to establish a network of local research correspondents in each Member State, coming from civil society, academia and research, to gain insights into the state of play of implementation of anti-corruption policies”

    And Recommedation #8: to Raise Awareness (of corruption);
    and #10 Further Data

    I thought, naturally, of UA!

    Maybe, once the Levenson Enquiry have finished with investigating the activities of the printed media they can go on to investigating corruption in sport? Wouldn’t it be odd if NewsCorp (through BSkyB and SkyBet) were involved in that too?

    Be afraid corrupt officials – be very afraid.

    By the way, for a EU Commission document it was rarther worryingly full of typographical error: did anyone get the reason for the apparently random capiTal letters in the Contents? Let’s hope they are better at spotting corruption in sport than they are at spotting it in their own reports :s

  27. allevkev
    10/05/2012

    Keep knocking at the door Tony, eventually they’ll have to listen…

    Who have we got at West Brom???

  28. none
    10/05/2012

    West Bromwich Albion v Arsenal
    Referee: M Jones
    Assistants: M McDonough, R West
    Fourth Official: A D’Urso
    Match Delegate: D Smith
    PGMO: U Rennie

    Tottenham Hotspur v Fulham
    Referee: P Dowd
    Assistants: D Bond, A Halliday
    Fourth Official: S Attwell
    Match Delegate: N Cusack
    PGMO: B Curson

    Everton v Newcastle United
    Referee: A Marriner
    Assistants: S Ledger, A Watts
    Fourth Official: K Friend
    Match Delegate: T Dolan
    PGMO: D Horlick

  29. Domhuaille MacMathghamhna
    11/05/2012

    Timao……¨recruit from the ranks of ex-tennis pros or some other sport that involves an ability to observe fast-moving objects (i.e. not bank managers and garden furniture salesmen).¨You have never officiated since you’d know if you did, that officiating is a multi-faceted activity, not just demanding a skill at following a ball around but judging a player’s intent, assessing the legality of an event, positioning oneself to see as much as possible without interfering with the play,coordinating with the assistant referees, timekeeping etc. Therefore, following your logic maybe a tennis player, with a criminal psychologist degree,skilled at surveying, who works on an assembly line, and schedules buses would be a great candidate.
    Second observation; you don’t really know the Laws as you state that it is a penalty, ¨ only if there is movement of the arm towards the ball. ¨ but the Law actually states that for the penalty to be given, the arm must NOT be in a normal playing position (ie: over the head or outstretched to block the shot, etc.. So if a player protects his or her genitals, then it is rare that a penalty would be awarded as that is a very normal position for anyone facing a heavy object cannoning at them at 30 km/hr or more!
    Please check your ¨facts¨ before writing down your thoughts.

  30. Domhuaille MacMathghamhna
    11/05/2012

    We(the typical upper-class British aristocratic Football fan…oxymorons?) all know that those vile,filthy,greasy, cheating,diving,low-lifes in Europe and Latin America ALL subscribe to the nefarious arts of corruption and cheating from conception to cremation.
    HOW could anyone who has a British spine, a PURE sense of British fairplay and a stiff upper lip, EVER be accused of corruption or cheating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
    We are God’s gift to the world, WE invented the beautiful Game, WE assumed the white man’s burden, we ¨civilized¨ the dark,ignorant masses (starting in England…a work in progress)and brought enlightenment, a sense of law and order (our law /our order) to those soulless savages in the colonies and elsewhere and who mow dare to challenge such a noble and selfless pedigree?????????
    People who subscribe to this philosophy have given true meaning to the world INSULAR.

  31. Jacobite Gunner
    11/05/2012

    Why do they do not do football favour and investigate FIFA (or at least UEFA) while they are at it? (this is a rhetorical question because for whatever reason, we know what the answer would be somewhere close to “we cannot because we are not allowed”)

  32. Jacobite Gunner
    11/05/2012

    Domhuaille MacMathghamhna, em, ur getting a little political are you not?

    this is a footy blog (of high class and intellect most of the time), nonethless, still a footy blog. If you need to grind ur axe, try running or cycling or something

  33. bob
    11/05/2012

    dom,
    What’s that?! Are you slating the sceptic aisle!

  34. bob
    11/05/2012

    ffs, or the septic isle?

  35. FinnGooner
    11/05/2012

    Phil that could be about United thing as it was just undergoing investigations.

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