43 responses

  1. quake
    26/10/2012

    I read reports about the AGM and i thought that chaos had broken out so it was nice to read your article put more of a balance view this is why i always look for untold point of view.It even got reported about fan revolt in our sport media just shows how quickly reports are picked up and travel round the globe.

  2. bc
    26/10/2012

    I was there also i am not saying the guardian was right but i am afraid that after reading your articles i am more convinced than ever that there is so much uncertainty around the club. in my 43 years of following the club i have seen so many disputes. i remember the dark days when half the stadium wanted mee out and the other half didnt the same with neill howe and even burtenshaw. but the divide the current board and management is like something i have never seen before. we are not divided anymore into 2 sides, no now it is total anarchy everyone seems to have an opinion and yet hardly anyone tends to agree. i am not sure where this will all end or when but all i know is the current regime and i mean by that board management players backroom staff and supporters will not bring success to this club. we need someone somehow to pull us altogether with something. i cant help but think that it the answer lies with a fat russian but please someone give me hope elsewhere i am well open to it.

  3. Shade
    26/10/2012

    Thanks for giving us the real picture. Some of us fans don’t live in UK. Our sources of arsenal news are largely media reports and the media always puts a negative spin on anything arsenal. So it’s nice to know what actually happened from a fan who went to the meet!

  4. Mahdain
    26/10/2012

    @bc if someone is to be blamed about the current situation in the fanbase then look no further than a certain Uzbek billionaire. I know it may sound like crazy but i cant help but think he is the pulling all the strings behind the idiotic Black scarf movement,the AST and ofcourse a certain dooming waste of an internet space blog.Divide and conquer

  5. nicky
    26/10/2012

    One must never be surprised over the way in which the national dailies express the news……particularly the sports news.
    Personal opinion of the writer becomes fact and the selective nature of forecasting is generally based on the need to titillate.
    In separating the wheat from the chaff following the AGM, the news that both Man Citeh and Chelsea are currently operating within the proposed FFP Regs is staggering to say the least. If this remains so, it will defeat the object of putting right some of the blemishes in our national game BEFORE they can be put into effect.
    Apart from that, the AGM seems to have gone like all others.
    The French have a saying “The more things change, the more they remain the same”.
    Those real supporters who are able to attend are always in a minority, they barely have a voice and are invariably clobbered by the establishment for any form of criticism.
    And so the AGM is over for another year
    The Club has been made aware that while there is general support for Arsene Wenger, there is a groundswell of opinion that in a number of areas, things must improve. Loyalty remains from those who matter but must not be taken for granted.

  6. Mahdain
    26/10/2012

    these past few days on twitter really made me want to pull my hair out.. Full of moaning,bitching,dooming,attention seeking drama queens who take pleasure seeing us lose and think they are whiter than white and that anyone who can think sensibly is a “blind twat”. Some even resorted to the cheap racial stereotyping shots. Apparently just because some of us dont live in the UK and cant afford to attend matches weekly we are not true fans.
    There is absolutely no way can you tell these idiots are fans and tbh i wouldn’t mind if we adopted the Fergie approach and ban all the journalist who throw vile abuse at our manager starting with Adrian Durham. Then turn to these “fans” and make an example of one or two preferably Tim Payton and Geoff/Pedro and ban them indefinetely..
    Dictatorship? Isnt that what they call us now? Lets give it to them in reality then

  7. bjtgooner
    26/10/2012

    @bc

    I suspect the problem source is a fat Russian – his supporters seem to be the ones agitating behind the scene and deliberately trying to cause instability. I have seen this type of thing before and it is very hard to cope with. Anytime the team does badly they (the SoFR = AAA) come out of the sewers in force. I don’t know for sure, but suspect that some of the transfers out have been encouraged by a fat person who wants Wenger to fail – he sees him as a block on the route to a takeover. What happens if he takes over? – much money will go out – why else does the fat billionaire take over companies?

    Oh, by explanation SoFR = Supporters of Fat Russian.

    Not all of the solution, but part of it is – stand fast – stand behind the manager, team and club – we all can have our footballing opinions but the manager knows much more than all of us put together – he will develop and improve the team – lets let him get on with it.

    @Tony

    Interesting article, I had a quick look at the Guardian report and did not like the way the AGM was presented. However, the Guardian has been anti-Arsenal for some time (I’m sure most of us have read bob’s excellent reviews of some of their articles) so I don’t spend my hard earned money on that paper.

  8. Mahdain
    26/10/2012

    What riles me up the most is when they throw vile personal abuse at Arsene aka our most successful manager calling him words like “old senile fool”,”frenchy twat” and “out of touch fool”… Show the man the respect he RIGHTLY deserves..

  9. bjtgooner
    26/10/2012

    @Mahdain

    I have been a bad boy, I had a look today at one of the really obnoxious semi Arsenal blog sites. (I did sanitise the laptop afterwards.) You will find our double talking “friend” Doublegooner being very obnoxious and very anti Arsenal and anti Wenger on that site. Yet he tries to be plausibly anti Wenger on this site.

    Oh – I liked your article above, I was preparing my post at approximately the same time.

  10. allan
    26/10/2012

    good article as always, we must support our team and our fans
    who pay for the club please give helpfull and constructive critisism instead of sweeping condemnation i love this club
    and would rather read more reasonable comments on how to improve the current situation. im afraid i cant offer much
    opinion as im not an expert but would wish we could attack a
    bit more like we used to. the performance seems a bit lacklustre but one thing im certain arsene will sort it out.

  11. Stubby
    26/10/2012

    What a load of B*ll*cks!how well are we doing on the pitch is what matters. Regardless of the reason, in 8 years we have gone from invincibles to also rans! new stadium or not, we should have built on that, not let it waste away! Since Herbert Chapman we have been willing to accept Arsenal as being second best in England, never mind the rest of the world. In my lifetime we have not gone as long as we have now in winning something. we won the double in 1971. I was eight(just!). Only the second team to do the double in the 20th century! We were the most successful domestic team in the country after 1971. Since then, liverpool and Man U have surpassed us by a mile. Wenger has some good business ethics and on a level playing field financially he would wipe the floor with Fergie, Mancini and chelski managers on the pitch. but his dream is never gonna come true. Money will always win. Sad. I would love to see in reality Financial Fair Play, the best supported teams having the best money, playing at the highest level but it aint ever gonna happen.

  12. Stuart
    26/10/2012

    Stubby,
    Are you joking? No way have Liverpool surpassed us. Arsenal were team of the century even taking into account the Liverpol dominance of 70’s & 80’s. And Man U in the 90’s

  13. chris from Cambridge
    26/10/2012

    The Guardian isfor woolly woofters.

  14. Stg
    26/10/2012

    I’m never to sure what fans expect to be said at the AGM. Do they think the owners/directors will come out with some amazing quotes about how poorly the club is run or how they think the manager is rubbish and the like. It is a meeting where 90% of the time is taken up with them telling us what they want us to hear and the other 10% avoiding answers.

    This situation is not confined to Arsenal AGM’s every management meeting I have been to has been the same. I am also amazed at how many Arsenal football bloggers, tweeters and forum posters know the ins and outs of what goes on at Arsenal and how many great owners, board members and managers Arsenal have if only they were given the chance!!!!!

    I honestly can not see what the Arsenal board have done wrong from a business level but I think I am in a minority there by reading the blogs, forums, twitter and the newspapers.

  15. J
    27/10/2012

    I have read your articles… But up untill now I have not fully relaised the truth. You are a puppet of the Arsenal board! You hinted as much in this post, by crediting the board for gving Arsenal the credit for giving you the chance to talk to, ‘fellow members of the club on the AISA Arsenal History Society stand, which we were granted by Arsenal’.

    What about PHW snide comments and disgusting attitude?

    What about kroenkes lies about meeting with the fan groups?

    TYou are so biased in your writing it is hard to even take you seriously enough to write a decent response to this garbage.

    And you lie aswell… so 2% raised their hands over the re-election issue? Well, you are the only person who has come up with these figures in my research, with most suggesting that a fair majority voiced discontent!

    Shut this site down, apologise for your clear bias and retire from what ever it is you do… your purple writing and bias line is not helping arsenal fc and you should feel ashamed by writing lies to supporters less fortunate then yourself.

  16. Justice
    27/10/2012

    J, thank you for that response.

    I’ve had this inkling that this article is written by an employee of the board, if not Gazidis himself.

  17. ARSENAL 13
    27/10/2012

    @ J….
    SO dumb.

  18. Persian gunner
    27/10/2012

    I hate how everything is so unfair against us!
    There is only One Arsene Wenger!
    I believe if we were playing in a league with fan based teams like Germany, we could be real challenging side every year, but in EPL and CL these money based teams are extremely annoying!
    I live in a country with the experience of using petroleum money income on football, lots of goverment dependents clubs used the easy money on bringing average players, who were just made popular by media and newspapers.
    Year after year our football has been destroyed, no new talent has been found and transformed to a quality player, our league get worse and worse that you can not even watch a game for 15mins, match fixing is a disaster, supporters are really disappointed and estadiums are empty!
    If this FFP does not change things now, the evil petroleum money is going the destroy football anywhere around the world!

  19. pharo9ja
    27/10/2012

    you and your cult of brainwashed Arsene fans are so out of touch with reality,its unreal.
    You sit behind your keyboard and preach the FFP mantra- a dream that very well will not change anything and here’s why.
    Chelsea,united,city are successful on the pitch. The success guarantees a larger global brand and following which in turn guarantees a higher ceiling in endorsement and sponsorship deals.
    While wenger and gazidis get paid the highest wages around to asset strip this once great team,your so-called moneybags are makin sure the future of their clubs are guaranteed as “big clubs”.

  20. Nick Lee
    27/10/2012

    @Arsenal 13… what is ‘so dumb’ about J?

    Besides the points by J, I believe IG gave an update on the potential commercial revenue.

    Sports sponsor deals are predominantly based on popularity of ‘star players’ and success, and rightly so for commercial reasons. The likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Shrek et el. Even Lampard, Terry, Drogba featured time and again.

    In short, this is a vicious cycle. You don’t have success, you don’t get consideration and/or negotiation power for top dollars from sponsors as well as top players who, besides wanting to be paid handsomely, would also want to be associated with success (and I mean trophies). Top players do not guarantee success but without them you can be guaranteed as also-ran.

  21. Stg
    27/10/2012

    Sunderland’s £20 million a season shirt deal looks like a good deal. Have they got the type of star players or sucsess that a team like Arsenal have?

  22. Stanley
    27/10/2012

    I cant say for sure what our problem is but its funny how we blame the well endowed clubs for our nearly 8 barren years. How does Man City splashing out on Robinho has anything to do with us losing a 4-0 advantage against Newcastle? Or how does Chelsea’s billions explain us coming Fourth when we had to do well in our last 12 games but ended up drawing and losing majority that City ended up passing us? We dont have quality players, is that it? So how come they were challenging for the title till the last 12 games? Dont get how the money other clubs have affect our league cup finals against Birmingham or our lackluster performance against Norwich or even all the matches we fail to perform. It would be different if we lost every time against these big spenders, then we can say that they bought all the best players so are better than us but that’s not the case because we give them a tough game and sometimes win. Doesn’t that mean we aren’t as rubbish as we think? All am saying is we should stop putting mediocre performancestry especially against clubs we feel are lesser, maybe then we would care less about how much these clubs decide to spend. To be sincere, I feel we have a squad cable of winning something. Not like United played the best football last season or hard a far better team than us but they almost won the league.

  23. Nick Lee
    27/10/2012

    @Stg

    value of deal is relative. 20 million could be the entry level. Too much? The decision maker has to take accountability… with the usual spin.

  24. Nick Lee
    27/10/2012

    @Stg

    May I also add that there is a perceived marketability about the EPL, oft touted as the most viewed league in the world. The perceived viewership, exposure and potential is there..

    Any team in the top division will have some form of sponsorship, whether they are successful or have the top players. Additionally, there are many sponsors… top notch as well as the upcoming who will not be able to compete with the big sponsors for the top team ala MU, MC and Chelsea.

  25. Nick Lee
    27/10/2012

    And while we are on relative value, 20 million looks good but what do you think MU and the likes will be getting?

    It can’t be 20 million right? So the value gets jacked up and the top teams will get more and more…. its a $ game

  26. rupert cook
    27/10/2012

    Wenger still banging on about fourth place is a trophy. No it isn’t but winning the CL is. Does anyone who has not had their brain removed or tampered with really believe Arsenal can win it? Wenger gets more deluded every season. Sell the best striker in England to Manu and then expect to challenge for the league. No one has any idea what Kronke and Gazidis intend for the club. Every year we sell our best players and buy clowns like Gervinho and mediocrity like Ramsey. Remember years ago how Wenger said we fight on all four fronts for trophies. Now we just fight for a false trophy, fourth. If Fergie had said fourth was like winning a trophy he’d have been run out of Manchester. What major club in Europe still employs a manager who’s won nothing for seven years? Tells you all you need to know about the ambition at our club.

  27. Nick Lee
    27/10/2012

    There’s no way out but to start winning trophies.

    Gate collections is finite and you can only squeeze that much out before threshold and resistance dawns.

    I suppose the management has numerous revenue options. That’s why they are paid handsomely for.

    But I strongly believe these options hinge on a succesful team

  28. Mahdain
    27/10/2012

    @bjtgooner must be great minds thinking alike and all

  29. Paul “the Gooner”
    27/10/2012

    At least we have a AGM!.Do City,Utd or Chelsea have one.Can someone please tell me if we sacked AW who would take over.I can only think of one.How many clubs in europe would want AW as their manager.Many!

  30. Adam
    27/10/2012

    I reckon if Arsenal did part company with Wenger it would start the biggest scramble for a manager football has ever seen. Clubs would be sacking their managers left right and centre to make a spot available for the professor.

  31. rupert cook
    27/10/2012

    City, United and Chelsea seem to be doing alright with or wtihout one. If there are so many clubs who want Wenger they’re welcome to have him as far as I’m concerned. The man has run out of ideas, off and on the pitch. The football we play is now ponderous and predictable. Wenger has been outwitted by so- called inferior managers at so-called inferior teams season after season. It seems there is some sort of collective lunacy at Arsenal. Maybe Derren Brown has hypnotized a large portion of Arsenal fans.

  32. Mandy Dodd
    27/10/2012

    Thanks for providing what really happened for those of us who were not there. Gazidis and co are clearly a smart bunch, if they say we are moving in the right direction, they must at least be given the benefit of doubt for a while. A couple of dodgy results should not derail everything. One more point, much was made about Stan refusing to take money out of the club ad dividends, one source indicated the truth was, he could not really answer that legally because the board have to make all such decisions, but those at the meeting apparently in the know insist that he has never had any record of taking out dividends and it is highly unlikely he would do so. The source of this putting the record straight for Stan…surprisingly, Le Grove. So there is no evidence whatsoever Stan intends putting the club in debt, or taking dividends out. OK not all monies may be invested in playing staff as many would want, but this is very different from the line some take. Stan clearly lets the board run things completely…he keeps quiet, backs the manager and generally stays out of it,as does the Spuds owner, and the City owner 9who has visited Middle Eastlands once) and many others. Who cares if Stan meets fan groups, when the CEO and his execs do so regularly, Wenger has promised to as well
    The fact is, until we win something, we are an easy target for UK press BS. I fully expect a tabloid story to break that Arsenal invited Jimmy Saville to train the youth team for a period in the 1970s.

  33. Gooner S
    27/10/2012

    I followed the AGM on twitter with John Cross and (yes)Le Grove (Pedro).

    They were both telling a similar story. Both agreed that Arsene Wenger came out of proceedings with credit. Both thought Hill-Woods behaviour poor.

  34. Mandy Dodd
    27/10/2012

    A more sympathetic take on Stan in the Telegraph

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9636478/Arsenal-owner-Stan-Kroenke-pays-price-for-low-profile.html

    I cannot say I am sure about him, but until he does anything his critics fear he might, he deserves some leeway….I say deserves, as owner, guess he can do what he wants!

  35. ARSENAL 13
    27/10/2012

    @ Nick lee

    I was referring to the “lie”.

  36. rupert cook
    27/10/2012

    Until we win something. I wonder when that’ll be. Seeing as Wenger regards the FA Cup beneath us and the squad’s far too poor to win the league or CL I predict the next trophy to be around 2020.

  37. Mandy Dodd
    27/10/2012

    Thats a bit revisionist, he actually said the FA cup was 4th on his list of priorities, not beneath us.

  38. Stuart
    27/10/2012

    Rupert cook, come on, be realistic here, your twisting of words makes you part of the laughing stock.

  39. Notoverthehill
    27/10/2012

    Once again, thank you, Tony!

    It is very clear that those on the platform, do mingle with the “fans” after the Chairman closes the AGM! That includes the American owner. Tim Payton, is the barefaced liar!

    As for Robin van Perfect-Fit, we can now guess that his take home pay is in the region of £130,000 per week. Overtaking Wayne Rooney! To leave £300,000 a week on the table, seems to prove he is not greedy?

  40. Nick Lee
    28/10/2012

    @ Paul the “Gooner”
    … Can someone please tell me if we sacked AW who would take over.I can only think of one.How many clubs in europe would want AW as their manager.Many!

    Agreed with you Paul. Many in Europe would want AW. But after 1 season and no trophy, you think the Real president will be kind to pat him on the back? What about trying Chelsea and Roman.

    We are not talking about just well paid manager. We are talking about manager who can deliver under pressure. No title and you are out. AW is smart enough to realise that, isn’t he? No accountability at Arsenal… fourth is a covet achievement and 7 million pounds, which incidentally not many clubs can afford or double/triple. Why take the freaking risk? No accountability, friendly board all in to cash out as much as they could before the spin generate enough resistance. Do you know how much Arsene had made since 2004/2005 during the barren years? He’s a freaking rich man, no doubt about that.

    And who can take over? Well why don’t we roll back to the time when AW was first introduced to Arsenal. Remember the famed quote: “Arsene who?” And if fourth is a acceptable achievement for the board, then its not really hard to get a manager, cheaper of course, to do that. But that’s not my point. I don’t begrudge AW. I’m only dead set against this freaking board

    And speaking of which where this site is famed for their controversial theories, I would look forward to an investigative and objective study into the Arsenal board. For a start, what the heck is that old fart still the chairman when consistently he had utter complete insensitive remarks, the most recent being the parting shot at supporters at the end of the AGM?

  41. Nick Lee
    28/10/2012

    @Notoverthehill

    well, selling the top scorer, the only recogizable player currently for Arsenal, our best player and captain… and to a title rival … oops forgot fourth is ok, says a lot about us don’t we? Wenger came out in an interview and said he missed RVP. Well there goes $ versus ambition.

    How we cannot hang on to RVP still baffles me. So he claimed he wanted out… so what? He’s under a contract which has 1 year to run. Arsenal should be tough enough to say no, and be prepared to lose on the Bosman. We chicken out for $ as usual and gamble on that he is aged and may not perform, dress room mutiny and the crap…

    As of yesterday, RVP is joint top scorer, banging in the goals when he wants. And how many of those goals put MU in 2nd place now? Go watch the reruns of the matches and figure.

    I posted comments on various blogs on my take that we will regret and naturally I was ridiculed. I’m vindicated for now at least but I’m not a happy dude.

  42. Nick Lee
    28/10/2012

    @ Rupert Cook
    Until we win something. I wonder when that’ll be

    The proceedings at the AGM already tell you something right?

    Banging on FFP is so, well …. you don’t pay a CEO to utter that crap. At least give a better spin to justify his huge salary and bonus (for?)

    These rich owners don’t become rich overnight and by accident. FFP? Expect them to come up with creative ways to cirsumvent that.

    In short, Rupert, expect more of the same at least for these 2 seasons and I’m being optimistic.

  43. bob
    29/10/2012

    Nick Lee,
    What you write (@2:55, excerpted below) is in tune with I said hereabouts for weeks this summer, and got my fair share of stick for it hereabouts. Indeed, AW could have said no to RVP who then would have HAD to do well for us in order to command a top shelf salary after he’d (possibly) have left us next summer. It was a bluff. FFS, Mancini said no to wantaway Tevez and, after their standoff, Tevez then contributed mightily to their business end last season. Yes, as you say about wantaway RVP: so what?
    Why can’t we say no. And then to sell him to Manure so that they have last season’s top two scorers. And there is no sign of injury or we’ve seen the best of him; or, as you say, any of the self-deluding rationalizations that were the mantra hereabouts. Now barely a peep about the man – this man who was destined to implode and be cursed and be injured immediately for having left us. Anyway, I do love Arsenal; but I too have serious doubts that too many on this board would allow that emotion – and I mean sincere emotion – to take hold. It’s not the business way. There’s much more to say on this account, but I so want this team to gel into winning form that I’ll leave it at RvP for now. I wish AW and the team the best and continue my support. But having a memory for the moves and lack of moves of the last summer and the previous winter’s transfer window has been a terrible and sobering wake up call to way the game is being played at the top of today’s AFC.

    “How we cannot hang on to RVP still baffles me. So he claimed he wanted out… so what? He’s under a contract which has 1 year to run. Arsenal should be tough enough to say no, and be prepared to lose on the Bosman. We chicken out for $ as usual and gamble on that he is aged and may not perform, dress room mutiny and the crap…As of yesterday, RVP is joint top scorer, banging in the goals when he wants. And how many of those goals put MU in 2nd place now? Go watch the reruns of the matches and figure.
    I posted comments on various blogs on my take that we will regret and naturally I was ridiculed. I’m vindicated for now at least but I’m not a happy dude.” Agreed, Nick.

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