118 responses

  1. laos gooner
    10/09/2016

    I suspect that having seen Gabriel in the Arsenal.com training photos from yesterday that we may not have to wait as much as three weeks for his return. I think he must be beachable to take part in training.

  2. Mandy Dodd
    10/09/2016

    Love it when Wenger comes out with those remarks, think there is some mischief in him, the WOB and others completely implode at such words. Not doubting him btw, if he thinks the immensely talented Jack is potential manager material, who would I be to disagree with him.
    Two nil win today?

  3. Andrew Crawshaw
    10/09/2016

    Akpom played last night for the U23 team against Derby, scored two and got the assist for the third. He won’t be on the beach today. Thaw was the U23’s first points in four games. derby were the other promoted teal last season and are still without points. By all accounts it was a much better performance from our lads – well done!

    COYG

  4. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin
    10/09/2016

    Taking into consideration that Monreal, Mustafi & Alexis are not yet fully fit to start due to the injuries & fatigue they’ve picked up and has had, my guessed Le Prof’s starts & bench for our home match against the Saints are as follows:

    Cech.
    Bellerin Koscielny Holding Gibbs.
    Xhaka Cazorla.
    Walcott Ozil Oxchambo.
    Giroud.

    Bench: Martinez Debuchy Mustafi Monreal Coquelin Elneny Akpom.
    But I have a problem as I don’t have a mid front cover on my bench.

  5. Jerry
    10/09/2016

    Excellent write up Bulldog! Loved seeing the comments from the boss!

    Also, to add a little bit about Claude Puel, he’s a former player of Arsene Wenger’s at Monaco and asked the boss for advice prior to taking the job in England.

    Puel also has history with Sir Alex Ferguson. Puel tried to get his players at Lille to leave the pitch in protest after United was awarded a free kick that Ryan Giggs took quickly and scored from. Have to respect a person that was able to talk back to SAF early in their managerial career.

  6. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin
    10/09/2016

    Taking into consideration that Monreal, Mustafi & Alexis are not yet fully fit to start due to the injuries & fatigue they’ve picked up and has had, my guessed Le Prof’s starts & bench for our home match against the Saints are as follows:

    Cech.
    Bellerin Koscielny Holding Gibbs.
    Xhaka Cazorla.
    Walcott Ozil Oxchambo.
    Giroud.

    Bench: Martinez Debuchy Mustafi Monreal Coquelin Elneny Akpom.
    But I have a problem as I don’t have a mid front cover on my bench.
    @Andrew Crawshaw, I just come across your comment posting. Apparently, Akpom won’t play today. Who should I put in his place? Yes, is Lucas Perez. Look at me, I’ve forgotten about him. What has come on me?

  7. Andy Mack
    10/09/2016

    It’s quite revealing that MaureenO appears to be benefiting from Rileys ‘Fergie time’…

  8. Jerry
    10/09/2016

    The boss has gone with some rotation for the match up today due to the international break and probably thinking about PSG coming up. Starting lineup:

    Cech
    Bellerin-Mustafi-Koscielny-Monreal

    Coquelin-Cazorla

    Walcott-Ozil- Ox

    —-Perez

    On the beach: Giroud, Xhaka, Sanchez, Ospina, Iwobi, Elneny, and Holding

  9. para
    10/09/2016

    City were the complete team today and utd were still a bunch of (a few brilliant)individuals mainly.

    Why oh why does rooney get away with so much?
    He shold have been given a yellow and then for the second offence a red, instead he only got a yellow for the 2nd offence.

    That felani is a thug. Mou’s face, a tapestry of a frown.

    //
    We need to thrash Sou as much as possible today and get into the groove of winning. Increase our speed a little today, pacing ourselves for the end dash.

    //
    OK, that lee dixon is a sure manu fan now. What did Arsenal do to him? Refused him a job or what? Good i wont be listening during Arsenal game.

  10. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin
    10/09/2016

    I’ve just finished watching Man U vs Man City match some 10 minutes ago. Arsenal will close the gap on Man U if they beat Southampton later this afternoon. And I believe Arsenal will do that.

  11. Gord
    10/09/2016

    Is there anyone in the ManU organization, who dates back to before Sir FWord?

    Well, here in NE BC Canada, TV had the ManvMan game, and since there are another 4 channels available for the next game, apparently all of them will show Spuds playing. Oh joy!

    —-

    COYG!

  12. Jerry
    10/09/2016

    @para,

    Just wondering how you got that opinion of Lee Dixon today as a United fan? He’s the only one that argued that the Bravo tackle on Rooney was not a foul or penalty for United, while Graeme Souness (sp?) and Arlo White were arguing it was on NBCSN in the US.

    I usually do not agree with Lee Dixon, but was pleasantly surprised that he took an opposite view today.

  13. Gord
    10/09/2016

    In looking for commentary for this game, I happened across U18 results from London Colney. Arsenal 3 – 0 Southampton. Nketiak, Dragomir and Nelson with the goals. Congratulations Young Gunners!

    COYG!

  14. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin
    10/09/2016

    Le Prof starts and bench for the Saints match are now out but should I say I ‘ve scored 70% overall. He has preferred to start Mustafi to my preferred Koscielny & Holding @ CBs. And he has paired Coquelin & Cazorla to my own pairing of Xhaka & Cazorla at the Gunner’s base. And he has also preferred starting Perez to lead the line for us ahead of my Oliver Giroud to start?

  15. Gord
    10/09/2016

    Another tidbit gathered from Google News headlines. Some (supposedly) pro-Arsenal websites, are bad mouthing Coquelin. I guess he is the first chosen one to be driven out by the aaa this season. What a bunch of sorry SOBs.

    COYG!

  16. Gord
    10/09/2016

    In last night’s news, some Super-Agent (super probably spelled “s”, “t”, “u”, “p”, “i”, “d”) called Wenger arithmetical and siad his reliance on statistics was the source of “dithering”. Well yes, if you do statistics on data, you have to do arithmetic.

    That company Arsenal owns, apparently had previously bought a Cambodian company, which actually had the data. I wonder if one of the Untolders knows this company?

    SAA go find a job as a manager of a real team, and quit pretending to tell Wenger what to do.

    COYG!

  17. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    absolute shocking yellow on Cazorla. didn’t do anything…dissent maybe for a wrong whistle?

  18. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    Koscielny!

  19. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Bosscielny….. yyyeeeeaaahhhhh

  20. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Come on…. ARSENAL

  21. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    starting to pick up the pace!

  22. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    Southamptom are packing the middle…space down the flanks. Bringing on Giroud would create mayhem with our crosses, methinks.

  23. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Nice chance Ox

  24. Gord
    10/09/2016

    It is apparently Koscielny’s birthday. That goal makes him the 5th Gunner to score on his birthday. Merson, Pires, Benayoun and Cazorla are the others.

    COYG!

  25. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    I would really like to know why Cazorla got that yellow. When in doubt a ref can always cite dissent but from what I saw Cazorla did very little. Redmond was up and in the ref’s face…got nothing. Plus the ref gave a phantom foul on Arsenal.

  26. Josif
    10/09/2016

    @Gord

    It’s also Lucas Perez’ birthday. It would be a nice present for him to score as well.

    We didn’t exactly dominate the game in the first half. Van Dijk was all over our attackers and Tadić’s impact on the game in the first half was visible. As the game went on, Mesut has been better and better. Mustafi plays very high up the pitch and is usually our extra-man in the midfield.

    Koscielny’s goal was fantastic.

    Alexis for Ox and Xhaka for Cazorla would be my choice in the second half, possibly Giroud for Perez at some point of the game as well. Santi is on a yellow card for dissent and he has had one more disagreement with the referee’s decision (when he was denied a foul).

    COYG!

  27. Zedsaunt
    10/09/2016

    Lovely goal from Kos. A great way to remember his birthday. They look far better when they inject pace. One of those games where the passing is a bit awry coming out from the back. Once that gets sorted and they move it around faster we’ll be seeing something.

  28. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Finally it evens out…… Koscielny high boot goal they say…eff them… remember lukaku high boot goal against us?????

  29. Gord
    10/09/2016

    Maybe Cazorla cursed him in Spanish, and the ref knew enough Spanish to recognize it?

    Sure, let’s get a Perez on the score sheet.

    COYG!

  30. Andy Mack
    10/09/2016

    I’d be amazed if Giroud doesn’t get 20 minutes, if only to give Sotton something different to deal with.

  31. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Somebody educate these commentators……says “Ox was peripheral last season…”..

    Was he injured??? remember…

  32. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Oink!!! Goal kick!!!?!

  33. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    finally….time wasting for the Saints GK

  34. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Hahahahahahahaha….time wasting yellow.

    Ref knows the rules.

  35. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Oooooo.. Perez

  36. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Hectorrrrrrr….

  37. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Come on Gunners
    Come on Gunners
    Come on Gunners
    Come on Gunners

  38. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    my commentator has a real hate on for Walcott’s challenges…IMO, I like that Theo is playing with an edge as long as it doesnt descend into petulance.

    Iwobi on for Theo

  39. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Hahahahahahahaha….

  40. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Super Cech

  41. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Girooooooooooo

  42. Josif
    10/09/2016

    Come on, let’s score that bloody second goal!

  43. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    Apparently the new dissent rules doesn’t apply to Fonte

  44. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Penalty!!!!

  45. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    Yes, Cazorla

  46. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Yyyeeeeaaahhhhh…….

  47. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Come on ggguuuunnnnnnneeeeerrrrrrsssssssssss

  48. Florian
    10/09/2016

    Bomb it, Santi!

  49. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    How many minutes extra for Koscielny injury???

  50. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    Hahahahahahahaha…. finally we get penalties for fondling Giroud

  51. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    a nervy 3 points…bringing on Giroud and Alexis really speeded things up!

  52. Josif
    10/09/2016

    Finally. Big three points.

    Arsenal have already had more penalties in just four games than we had during the whole 2015-16 league campaign. Un-bloody-believable.

  53. Gord
    10/09/2016

    How on Earth did we get a penalty at home in extra time?

    How to go Santi!

  54. Gord
    10/09/2016

    Walter’s report not up yet. 🙂

  55. Jambug
    10/09/2016

    Winning ugly is what wins you Championships isn’t it ?

    Well at least whenever United, Chelsea et el do it is.

    Somehow I don’t think there see it that way for us.

    Anyway………yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

  56. Jambug
    10/09/2016

    corr….they’ll

  57. Walter
    10/09/2016

    Sorry Gord I’m lying on the beach in Spain following the match on livescore and that is nailbiting to do. Up the gunners! 3 points in the bag!

  58. Zedsaunt
    10/09/2016

    Yeay yeay yeah… penalty late on…cool as a cucumber Santi there. He must have been dreaming about all the penaltiess they didn’t get last season.

    Southampton were tight, throw in time wasting. A hard-fought win. PSG & Hull next week. Nothing easy yet.

  59. para
    10/09/2016

    Great game for the 3 points, otherwise…

    Too many individual mistakes and lack of concentration at vital moments, but with the two new signings starting, perhaps understandable.

  60. Usama Zaka
    10/09/2016

    I won’t say undeserved 3 points, but we played better the last 50 minutes or so. Thanks to some ultra defensive play from Southampton we had to dig way deep and get stuck like a jackhammer in the ground. Mustafi looked nervous and hesitant on the ball (will settle nicely with time)… Perez got tired quickly (also will settle with time). Huge credit to Ozil, Santi, Kos for giving every last breath they had… even though they looked dead tired.

    As for the referee, the penalty was a crystal clear penalty.. shirt pulling to the point of tearing… sliding tackle from behind, two foul offences in one, so well done ref. But his overall performance looked below average.

    Theo was ok (not great but not bad)… but Ox desperately needs to improve, (was not good today)..

    Spirit lifting win. In the words of a funny Japanese video game karaoke song I would say “Lets get to the TOP!!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooFoNwoMxjY

  61. Jambug
    10/09/2016

    Any one watching, was it a pen ?

    Everyone I’ve heard on TV are doing there best to dismiss it.

    From ‘soft’ and ‘controversial’ to ‘never a penalty’

    What you reckon lads ?

  62. Josif
    10/09/2016

    @Jambug

    You are absolutely right.

    Seven points out of possible twelve. Not the worst record possible.

    Also, the refs don’t go with torches at us this season or still haven’t gone. Three penalties for, none against us so far. With the referees’ criteria last season, Nacho would have gone out for the tackle on Long in the second half and Fonte could have killed Giroud without a penalty for Arsenal.

    Giroud was effective as a super-sub which is a role I was hoping he would get this season. Mustafi, in my book, was excellent and sometimes played as our additional man in the midfield. He knows how to play football, that’s for sure. Lucas had a rather underwhelming debut on his birthday but he should get better in the forthcoming matches. Čech conceded unlucky own goal but made up for that with that double save to deny the visitors with ten minutes to go.

    All-in-all, we can play better and hopefully we will. If we beat Hull away, we will have the right momentum for the game against Chelsea at home. Our CL game against PSG is actually the easiest one ever as they are one of the favourites to win the competition.

  63. Josif
    10/09/2016

    @Jambug

    The penalty call was absolutely clear. Fonte was clinging on Giroud and later on he tripped him while lying on the ground. Two offences, just like Usama said.

    Even the bloke on the NBC didn’t question it. A clear-cut penalty for us.

  64. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin
    10/09/2016

    Although the result was not the 4-0 victory for us as I predicted, that’s Premier League football the toughest League in the world. I thank God as Arsenal finally took all the 3 points via Santi Cazorla late penalty which has closed the gap on Man U to 2 points. That’s was my aim before we play Southampton.

    It 2 victories for us now on the trout, a winning run in the offing? We’ll know more about that at PSG on Tuesday’s night

  65. Gord
    10/09/2016

    Enjoy the sun Walter.

  66. dan
    10/09/2016

    Happy birthday Koscileny, beautiful goal for us fans, enjoy the day.

  67. dan
    10/09/2016

    Defo penalty for our opposition, but, never for us, these pundits can go love each other behind a shed.

  68. Jambug
    10/09/2016

    Josif

    Phil Thomson on SKY – Controversial

    La Tis on SKY – Never a Penalty (Understandable I suppose)

    Jeff Stelling – Controversial

    2 guys on BBC

    1 – Controversial

    2 – Never a penalty

    If, and I say if because I haven’t seen it, it’s as clear cut as Usama and Josif say then these guys are just being biased. End of.

    3 penalties. The media haters will not like this. The refs will be told in no uncertain terms that giving, even clear cut penalties to Arsenal, is just not on.

  69. goonersince72
    10/09/2016

    Three big points. And as Josif pointed out above, 2 pk’s already this season. Something’s afoot. Maybe the Midlands officials read UA, lol.

  70. Menace
    10/09/2016

    On my way home from the game.. Of no was totally biased but thank God for sma ll mercies… The pen was due as were the sudden burst of cards to balance the bias.. I thought cards were for Christmas Easter & arsenal.

  71. Menace
    10/09/2016

    Of no???? Pgmo….

  72. Mick
    10/09/2016

    Watching the Manchester derby, does the new yellow card for dissent not apply to Rooney?

  73. Leon
    10/09/2016

    One of the BBC 5 Live commentators said during the game that although there was shirt tug on Giroud it wasn’t a “sustained one” so he thought it was a soft penalty.
    When is a shirt pull not a shirt pull?
    Also apparently the Southampton players thought that the game should have been stopped before this because Kos had suffered a head injury
    After the game Chris Sutton said it “was not in a million years” a penalty. What a prick!

  74. bjtgooner
    10/09/2016

    An interesting game, we did not start well & it took us quite some time to start to control the game.

    When we scored that settled us & we then started to gel. Hopefully having had a very disrupted start to the season, with players late back after the Euros etc & then off again after 3 matches, we can now have some team bonding time.

    The main threat to our goal as the game progressed was the breakaway – nothing new here – but it does require some work to put this problem right.

    As for the ref – overall a poor performance – why on earth was Cazorla booked?

  75. Tom
    10/09/2016

    Leon
    And you didn’t think the game should’ve been stopped with Kos laying down in front of Southampton’s goal?

    Even if you ignore the head injury rule, which clearly Kos was holding his head and there could never be a suspicion of faking , or time wasting with Arsenal needing the second goal and three points.
    But the fact you have a player on the ground right in front of the keeper should be grounds for stopping the game.

    As for penalties, I don’t think this is a coincidence Arsenal are getting them this season. Even PGMO and Riley couldn’t ignore independent media calling Arsenal the alternative league title winners last season.
    Having Arsenal get the short end of the ref decision stick this season might’ve been enough to bring the curtain down.

  76. engram
    10/09/2016

    I hope we will still get the referee reports as complacency will only let the cheats back in. COYG!

  77. Leon
    10/09/2016

    Tom
    I didn’t see the incident as I was only listening on radio and reporting on what the commentators said.
    It would appear that the game should have been stopped for a head injury and also the fact that he was an obstruction.
    The Mail have given Madley 5 out of ten.
    So perhaps we had some overdue luck. ?

  78. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    the commentators were going on and on over Monreal stepping on Long’s ankle in the corner, when the penalty was awarded. Monreal did step on his ankle but Long jumped down as opposed to falling down and then he clutched his face!

    The first 20 minutes was Southamptom’s…the rest was ours with them having some chances on the break. The Ox had difficulties and Oezil wasn’t as sharp as he usually is. Walcott played with an edge – which I like but I think he was taken off because he was becoming petulant. Cazorla got a phantom yellow card for dissent? maybe but Southamptom, particularly Fonte got away with barracking the ref…nothing. Forster got a deserved yellow for time wasting…in the first half.

    All in all not our best performance but a deserved 3 points.

  79. Rosicky@Arsenal
    10/09/2016

    So the champs beaten at Anfield by 4-1.
    People saying Leicester were desrved champions can see what does it takes when refs are not helping.

  80. Jambug
    10/09/2016

    Rest assured if it had been the other way round the ref would of been hailed a hero for ‘letting the game flow’.

  81. ARSENAL 13
    10/09/2016

    On penalty……

    Definitely was….

    Funny thing though. Shane long stayed down claiming his foot injury as a head injury. Yet ARSENAL continued. Got a set piece. From which Koscielny got a head injury. Yet ARSENAL continued. From which we got the penalty…. ruthless!!!!

    We got lucky….if the game wasn’t allowed to flow. We wouldn’t have won the penalty. Hope Koscielny is alright….

  82. Josif
    10/09/2016

    @Jambug

    Those allegations by the media “experts” have proven what we have known about them for years – they know crap. On the other hand, Tom’s comment on Kos’ head-injury is a good observation.

    And here we come with a funny conclusion: the whole neanderthal culture (Phil Neville, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Robbie Savage…and other usual suspects as pundits) that doesn’t approve clear-cut penalty calls unless there is a broken ankle as a consequence of the tackle or that sees a thug-fest between Chelsea and Tottenham as a beautiful game couldn’t see Koscielny’s head injury as a reason for stopping the game because his head wasn’t ten feet away from his body.

  83. Tom
    10/09/2016

    GGG and Arsenal 13
    Have you ever seen a player miss a sitter and then grab his head with both hands?
    Surely he isn’t faking a head injury to absolve himself of any embarrassment is he.

    Perhaps you should try hitting one of the bony parts of your ankle with something hard and see how you react. I’m sure going gently to ground will not be part of it ,but rather a hop or two.
    Besides, isn’t a foul still a foul regardless how players react to it.
    If the player’s reaction was indicative of what really took place, Rooney should’ve had four penalties awarded to him today.

  84. Gord
    10/09/2016

    From the interview at Arsenal.com, Wenger is concerned about the head injury Koscielny sustained. I have only found a single report in the medja, and that was just in passing. This is just looking at snippets in Google News, not reading articles completely. But for an incident that the referee should be censured over, it is disheartening that there is so little reporting on it.

    So, both the U18 and the mens team beat Southampton. Tomorrow the ladies play ManC. Good luck Ladies!

  85. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    @Tom yes a foul is a foul…My point was that he embellished. Furthermore…are you saying that he missed a sitter in the corner and that is why he was embarrassed and grabbed his head when he got trod upon by Nacho?

  86. GoingGoingGooner
    10/09/2016

    @Tom as for Koscielny being in a heap with a head injury before the foul that gave the penalty. Yup! Whistle should have been blown…but then why was he in a heap…got kicked in the face by a Southampton player.

  87. Menace
    11/09/2016

    I was at the game in the North Bank. I did not see the Kos incident but Long should have seen red long before his little foot got hurt. He is a creative cheat always using brute force to gain advantage. He should have been carded for holding Iwobi back & every time he challenged for the ball he pushed his opponent. Forsters reaction to being carded for time wasting was very physical & the PGMO officials allowed the petulance to go unpunished. MOTD has not shown the incident nor have they shown the incident where Long should have had his card.

    The penalty is so clear for shirt pulling followed by a trip that even the pundits use selective vision to hide from truth.

    The pundits were biased & should all be chastised by Wenger in his next press conference. An offer of SpecSaver vouchers would probably be appropriate. Have not done much good to PGMO though.

  88. Usama Zaka
    11/09/2016

    Menace,

    SpecSaver vouchers?? No no no… They need free weekly check-ups, so that at least they can see the bit where ‘there was a man in black shirt pulling and tripping down a guy red shirt’ 😀

  89. Mandy Dodd
    11/09/2016

    Not a vintage performance, but the boys certainly showed mental strength today, a delicious 3 points.

  90. Gord
    11/09/2016

    Is it a penalty?

    I am not referring specifically to the penalty which Cazorla converted (thank you Santi!).

    If one looks to the laws of the game, it says that if a foul of a certain kind happens in the penalty box, the referee is to stop play and award a penalty kick.

    If one looks at the specifics of that foul in the laws of the game, it doesn’t say “little bit”. Either the foul happens or it doesn’t. At times, the laws have dabbled with the concept of “intent”. Intent in the actual action, is almost impossible to determine.

    Intent in learning how to do the action, can easily be determined to be malicious. To learn a tackle which can cripple a player is malicious. Full stop. End of story. No usage of that tackle in a game should be considered non-malicious.

    Another excuse I seen today, is that apparently Giroud didn’t notice that he was being fouled, and hence it shouldn’t have been a foul. Nowhere in the laws of the game does it say the player being fouled needs to notice they are being fouled. It is a foul, regardless of whether they notice or not.

    Possibly an excuse in this game, is when the foul occurs. Apparently (according to such expert scholars as the Neville idiots) you can foul any person in any way in the first 2 (3? 4?) minutes of either half, without ever being called. And a similar rule for near the end of the first half or the end of the game. Go look in the laws of the game. There is nothing there about allowing fouls because it is too close to the beginning or end of a half. A foul is a foul.

    As described, there is no need for a referee to _JUSTIFY_ anything. All they need to do is observe if contact happened.

    This mechanism also allows some silly things. If Koscielny (who has short hair) has to play against a player with long hair, at some point he may decide to push that player’s hair. Technically, that is a foul.

    But, the various muppets, whorenalists and 😈 Mike Riley want to have a _MANS_ _GAME_. What this results in is two fold:
    _1. It is contrary to the laws of the game as designed by the IFAB and codified by FIFA.
    _2. The officials have to constantly evaluate everything that happens on the field, as to whether it is “far enough” to be considered a foul.

    An argument for strict following of the rules, is that it slows the game down. I think this isn’t an issue, regardless of what gender or skill level is playing. As the referee, tell both teams that rules will be strictly enforced. And then do exactly that. Yes, the first 2 or 3 fouls may slow the game down significantly. At that point, all the players will realize that the referee is being strict and they will adjust. Or they will commit their second yellow card and be gone. I doubt the game runs significantly longer than normal, after allowing for that first 2 or 3 fouls to happen.

  91. Gord
    11/09/2016

    Did some event happen?

    If you are watching some scene unfold in front of you, and later on a person asks you if XYZ happened, you may not be able to say.

    I gather most people have the “Mind’s Eye”, and can create an image in their mind describing something. But, if you were just mindlessly observing some arbitrary scene, you may not be able to recreate the scene in your mind.

    Some people have a “photographic memory”. They can recreate observed scenes exactly. Can they recreate a scene just passively observed? I don’t know. But, my Mom has (had?) a photographic memory. She tells of writing an exam, and in answering a question she would copy word for word from her mind’s image of a page of the textbook to the exam paper. She could also exactly scale drawings, see an image in a 8×11 coloring book, and redraw in exact scale on the chalkboard.

    Some people are at the opposite end. I have aphantasia (sp?), in essence I do not have a mind’s eye. You can tell me to imagine a tree, or a cloud or anything. There is no image in my mind. It is all just abstract concepts to me. If I am just casually observing some event, I can’t tell you later on what happened. If I actively follow an event, I make a list in my mind, and I can run back the list. But there are no pictures.

    Whether a person can play back images or lists in their mind, to do so while the game is continuing to proceed leads to error. They skip steps in the playback, or they miss what is happening now.

    It is better to have simple rules and trivial logic than to have complex rules and logic. Less room for error.

  92. Brickfields Gunners
    11/09/2016

    WOO HOO , HOO ! Have yet to see the game , but watched the highlights – a very welcome 3 points .
    3 penalties in 4 games ? Are the refs gradually getting their eyesight back to normal ?
    Up the Gunners !

  93. ARSENAL 13
    11/09/2016

    @ Tom,

    Let me put my point across ‘clearly’.

    1. Shane long was a foul. Ref dint blow. ARSENAL continued play. Very unlike ARSENAL. We are used to seeing us put the ball out of play when an opponent is on the ground. But we dint yesterday.
    2. Koscielny was injured. Its a head injury. It should’ve been spotted. Ref should’ve blown. He dint. At least Southampton players close to him should’ve alerted. They dint. ARSENAL continued despite our own player down injured. Very un-ARSENAL.

    If any of the above incidents stopped the game…..we wouldn’t have got a penalty. Which was a clear clear penalty anyday.

    Giroud could get 4 to 5 such genuine penalties every game. Yet last season….got none.

  94. Jambug
    11/09/2016

    Just watched highlights on MOTD, which is always difficult at the best of times, but for what it’s worth here’s my take on the important decisions.

    1-Monreal incident near the corner flag.

    Though it certainly did not look deliberate Monreal definitely stood on his heel. That’s a foul with a slim chance of a yellow card, and as that would of been a second yellow he could of seen red. Got away with one there.

    NB There has been some debate about whether the Soton player was feigning a head injury. I don’t think so and I say this from experience. Many years ago I suffered a very bad knee injury. When it happened it was agony. The point is I was laying on the ground screaming in agony holding my head, not my knee. Everyone thought at first I had been kicked in the head. I think it is a natural human reaction to severe pain to hold the head so no, I don’t think he was feigning. I mention all this because it is relevant later.

    2-Koscielnys goal.

    The question is, was it dangerous play for high kicking ? Well technically yes. But if that is the case then so is just about every overhead kick every performed, because simply by definition the boot is going to be ‘high’. But ask yourself, in reality how many are penalised ? Very very few. Ask yourself, do we really want these spectacular type of goals chalked off ? Not really. It seems to me that whilst in the execution of an overhead kick the ‘dangerous play’ rule is infringed, there is an unwritten rule to overlook it. Whether that is because we all love to see them, even referees, or not, I don’t know. Either way, given how 99 times out of a 100 they are allowed to stand it would of been very harsh to of chalked this particular goal off, even though it was technically a foul. Did we get away with one there too ? Some may argue we did but for reasons explained I don’t think so.

    3-Koscielnys head injury ?

    Should or shouldn’t the game of been stopped. Possibly. But only if it was a head injury. The question is, did the referee KNOW it was a head injury ? As I and others have pointed out, holding the head is NOT always an indication of a head injury. It can just indicate severe pain somewhere else on the body, which, in itself is not reason enough to stop the game. There’s also the point of where in the box he was lying. Again, in itself, where he is prone is no reason to stop the play. It only becomes relevant if his position affects a goal. It didn’t. Did it influence the player to foul Giroud ? No. So given we cannot see inside the referees head, and hence what he thinks the injury to Koscielny is, I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt as to why he allowed play to continue. Would I have complained had Soton broke away and scored whilst he lay prone on the floor ? Quite possibly, but in the end the same analysis would of applied. It’s a toughie. If it goes your way you take it. If it goes against you you feel a little hard done by. Did we get away with one there? Despite what I say, on balance……..probably.

    4-The penalty

    Not even a debate. Shirt pulled and tripped.

    Back to MOTD.

    There analysis, on the face of it could of been harsher on us.

    For example:

    -They didn’t mention the Monreal incident.

    -They didn’t question the possibility of Koscielnys overhead kick being dangerous play.

    -They didn’t question whether play should of been stopped for the possible Koscielny head injury.

    -They didn’t question if he was interfering with play where he was laid prone.

    And I think all of them where at least debatable and they didn’t mention them.

    But oddly, or perhaps not so oddly, regarding the penalty, Wright said ‘harsh’ and Sheerer ‘never’ despite admitting to the shirt being pulled.

    Even before the tightening of the rules that shirt pull was a foul, as was the trip that followed.

    It beggars belief that an ex pro and ‘supposed’ expert, in the loosest possible terms, can be watching a replay of such a blatant foul and say ‘never’ a foul.

    So, did we get away with one yesterday……..probably.

    But lets be honest, it’s about time.

  95. Rich
    11/09/2016

    On the overhead/high foot, I think it’s right to treat it differently when a player chooses to put his foot where someone’s head is, as opposed to someone choosing to put their head where a foot is. This was the latter.

    Contact with the head could only be made if the opposition players decided to move forward and try block Kos’s effort with their head.

    It was a clear foul on Long so we had a bit of luck there (I’m a firm believer Karma doesn’t exist, but every now and then you get something delicious which would be pure Karma if it existed)

    Shearer was execrable as usual on Motd. Wright a predictable disappointment. Telling that Shearer opted to use no facts or logic in insisting it wasn’t a pen. His instincts to opt for his scoffing dismissal instead of analysis -‘there was a pull, but not enough’, etc- were correct.

    If he’d gone for real analysis his scoffing dismissal would have been diluted tremendously. He is only free to do that because ,unlike in most jobs, he doesn’t have a boss to pull him up on it and say do it properly

  96. Jambug
    11/09/2016

    Rich

    “…..unlike in most jobs, he doesn’t have a boss to pull him up on it and say do it properly”

    Indeed he doesn’t. All he has is the similarly incompetent, agenda driven Lineker agreeing with everything he says.

  97. Vince
    11/09/2016

    Two weeks ago against Sunderland, Fonte found himself at the ground and lifted his right leg up in the air to prevent Defoe from going for the ball. I don’t recall anyone disagreeing with the penalty at the time.

    Yesterday, Fonte found himself at the ground and lifted his right leg up in the air to prevent Giroud from going for the ball. Yet this same media “experts” are now talking about a soft penalty or never a penalty.

    Quite funny really…

  98. Rich
    11/09/2016

    Vince

    Good shout. Can almost summon up a memory of them discussing it in studio. May well have been Shearer himself who agreed pen without any fuss (or emotion).

    Was so evident in Euro’s that Giroud is monstrous in the air in the box if defenders are not allowed to hold him. Overall, I think he had about ten presentable heading opportune in about 5 games. Without grabbing him, defenders were almost powerless to the right delivery.

    So, were those defenders stupid not to grab/foul him, or did they just know it was dangerous in a properly refereed tournament?

    The media and ex-refs – Halsey, Webb (probably be joined by Poll and Gallagher shortly)- are trying their damnedest to protect the right to foul Giroud in the box.

    If, by some minor miracle, they fail, then the big man will have his best year yet. (and we need to work hard on crosses in training)

  99. finsbury
    11/09/2016

    What are we all to make of the outright and intentional lie by the state broadcaster that it wasn’t a pelanty when it clearly was?

    This broadcaster can’t have any credibility left. Not in other areas as a result of their own actions and the same appears to be the case in the sport.

    Most strange and remarkable behaviour. So we remark upon it.

    What is it that sets the Gunners apart for such vitriol from these misfiring blunderbusses?

  100. finsbury
    11/09/2016

    Looking forward to Amy Lawrence’s next tome about the Arsenal:

    “The 50th game and how the 24/7 football media covered the blatantly obvious and undeniable cheating (from the official).”

  101. Rich
    11/09/2016

    Finsbury

    After reading her Invincibles book, it’s clear she either doesn’t believe that whatsoever (that there’s anything remotely wrong with our ref and media treatment down the years), or is far too canny an operator to damage her career with such talk. Former seems much more likely going by her own words.

    She’s just a clever John Cross to me.

  102. finsbury
    11/09/2016

    Rich
    I haven’t read it 🙂

  103. Jambug
    11/09/2016

    Rich

    John Cross is an odious character. He criticises Arsenal and Wenger at every opportunity.

    Only yesterday he ran a pathetic article criticising Wenger for loaning out Wilshere.

    He ran with the critically toned headline:

    IF YOU RATE WILSHERE SO HIGHLY, WHY DID YOU LET HIM LEAVE FOR A YEAR, ARSENE?

    Only to answer his own question 3 paragraphs in by repeating verbatim Wengers reasoning behind the loan:

    “I always try to combine the interests of the club and the interests of the player. That’s what I tried to do here”

    Wenger goes on in great detail to explain what was behind both his and Jacks reasoning behind the move. We’ve all read it.

    So within the very same article he answers his own criticism.

    No praise for Wenger for having the players interests at heart.

    You just know one of the first to criticise Wenger, had he kept Jack then left him on the bench for long periods, would of been Cross.

    That is what he is like. No matter what, he will find a way to criticise.

    John Cross is a nasty piece of work who purports to be an Arsenal fan but is nothing of the sort.

  104. Mick
    11/09/2016

    Jambug
    ‘….. a nasty piece of work who purports to be an Arsenal fan but is nothing of the sort.’
    We could compile a long list of those could we not!!!

  105. Menace
    11/09/2016

    Was it a foul on Long? No it never is. Long is a dirty player he always fouls deliberately. The foot contact was incidental & not deliberate. It was not anything major as Long got up & played on without treatment. He stayed down to time waste (proper cheat). His foul was a card offence & was allowed to go with a conversation. The PGMO reps are not fit for purpose. Forsters reaction to being booked for time wasting should have been red carded. MOTD did not show it. They never do when it is something that really impacts the game. Arsenal won despite the biased official, who did some things right.

  106. Jambug
    11/09/2016

    Mick

    Indeed we could. In fact, it would be so long I’m sure I would lose the will to live before I got to the end of it.

  107. markyb
    12/09/2016

    The Odious Cross was on Talksport this morning to air his view that poor Gary Cahill was definitely fouled in the build up to Swanseas goal and that we should never have had a penalty. Funy I don’t remember much consternation in the press or about the choke hold on Ozil that led to Swanseas goal last year at the Emirates yet we have Maureen and Conte being backed up and highlighted for their Cry Babying over decisions now. Strange that.

  108. Rich
    12/09/2016

    markyb

    Think it’s a popular move in the arsehole handbook to accuse your enemies of negative qualities they don’t possess but you actually do. Crybabies, in this case.

    Chelsea are awful crybabies on the pitch. Or rather they are just awful cheats in every way imaginable, including moaning/crying to refs whenever they can to apply extra pressure.

    Off it they are even worse. From Mourinho’s unprecedented appearance on Goals on Sunday (an hour-long cry), to false accusations against refs, now Cahill’s 3 minute cry. If it doesn’t go their way, they cry. Always

  109. Jambug
    12/09/2016

    Rich

    “Chelsea are awful crybabies on the pitch. Or rather they are just awful cheats in every way imaginable, including moaning/crying to refs whenever they can to apply extra pressure.”

    Hasn’t it always been the way. It happened when Mourinho was at Chelsea a couple of years back.

    I have recalled this tail a couple of times before but it bears repeating in the context of what you are saying.

    Basically for a few months of this particular season things were not going Chelseas way with regard to penalty decisions. And this is what we got from the Mourinho loving Martin Samuel, dated 5th march 2015:

    “There is no conspiracy against Chelsea but Jose Mourinho does have a point…
    Jose Mourinho has claimed there is a ‘campaign’ against Chelsea.

    Chelsea get penalties on average every 1.8 games in the Champions League but only every 13 matches in the Premier League.”

    It does go on in more fawning detail but alas I can only find the headlines, but I think you get the idea.

    My point is, it took just a couple of months of penalty decisions going against Chelsea/Mourinho for the whinging to start, but worse, for the likes of Samuels to jump on the band wagon and get behind them.

    Measure that against how they palpably fail to mention the preceding dozen or so years over which Chelsea have easily attained the best penalty stats of anyone in the PL and that includes united.

    For in depth analysis regarding penalty stats:

    October 29th, 2014 | Category: Arsenal stories | 30 comments – (Comments are closed)

    Football betrayed: why journalists and broadcasters laugh at us.

    By Tony Attwood

    The following is a paragraph lifted from a post by Rich in that article, yep that will be you my friend, back at the time.

    “Put it this way, every season bar one since he (Mike Riley) took over we’ve finished with a negative for pens conceded against pens awarded (the other one was even). With the numbers being (09/10) 4:7; 7:9; 3:4; 6:6 and 3:6. 23 for, 32 against. That is some statistical anomaly given that in the long run you should expect to see attacking teams- specifically those who spend time in the opposition box- gaining more pens than they concede by a good margin. And though that period has not been our finest, nevertheless in the majority of matches we attack quite a bit more than the opposition. In the same period liverpool were 34:26; City 35:14; Utd 36:15; Chelsea 43:14. All bar Liverpool have gained more points than us in that period and no doubt scored more and conceded less, but still, those figures respresent a serious anomaly given how much time we spend in the opposition box. Over one season, weird things can happen with stats; for a second, maybe; but it is now seven seasons since we gained more pens than we conceded.”

    Just to highlight 2 stats:

    Arsenal 23 penalties for. 32 penalties against.

    Chelsea 43 penalties for. 14 penalties against.

    Funny how Samuel manages to over look years of positive statistics for Chelsea in favour of just highlighting a couple of Months that go against them.

    No Mourinho love in there of course.

    If anyone cares to look there are a few articles that focus on the pitiful amount of penalties we have been getting since Rileys inception at the PGMO, as well as showing a significant bias in Chelseas favour.

    Chelsea and Mourinho, forever whinging without reason. Forever supported by the fawning media no matter what.

  110. Jambug
    12/09/2016

    The Samuel article was in The Mail by the way.

  111. Jambug
    12/09/2016

    Sorry to bang on, but I forgot to say, just imaging the ridicule Wenger would of got had he had the temerity to mention the ’12 year campaign’ against Arsenal !

    I’m sure Samuel would of been behind Wenger all the way.

  112. Jambug
    12/09/2016

    Rich

    Off topic, when I was trawling through the archives I couldn’t help but notice some posts from our old friend Proudkev.

    He was such a good poster, it’s such a shame we don’t get to hear from him any more.

  113. markyb
    12/09/2016

    Rich

    ‘Think it’s a popular move in the arsehole handbook to accuse your enemies of negative qualities they don’t possess but you actually do. Crybabies, in this case’.

    I’m not sure where you are coming from here as it was my intention to criticise Chelsea and Man U moaning and getting a sympathetic nod from the press etc.

  114. Rich
    12/09/2016

    markyb

    Maybe I worded it badly. It was my intention to point out Chelsea are the hypocrites and the arseholes!

    They were the ones who ridiculed us in the past as cry babies when, clearly to me, it’s they who are guilty of that.

    Hope it’s cleared up now

  115. Rich
    12/09/2016

    Jambug

    Meant to answer you when you asked about Proudkev before. Big shame he stopped posting.

    He got some stats wrong in an article he wrote and got a fair bit of stick for it. Predictable stuff trying to suggest it undermined the arguments we make here.

    As myself and others said it could have happened to any of us (did happen to me once, in fact)

    Hopefully one day Proudkev will be back . Don’t like the idea of how he must’ve felt to cause him to stop posting.

  116. markyb
    12/09/2016

    Rich,

    No problem

  117. Rich
    12/09/2016

    Jambug

    That was a sickening episode with Samuels and Chelsea. Sort of thing that tells me I’m not wrong about how dirty things are if ever I waver on that. Impossible that Samuels isn’t aware of how selective he’s being and how manipulatively he has used data. If that’s the case, quite simple : dirty business. Just the why of it is unanswered.

    Speaking of which, couple more blinding bits from Halsey’s book.

    Philip Don, original head of Pgmol, was basically sacked (in summer 2004, I think)- called into the offices and told to leave by the end of the week- by the Premier League.

    That revelation seems a pretty big deal to me when we primarily blame pgmol for refereeing ills. How widely known is it that the premier league are effectively the bosses of pgmol and can remove the existing head of pgmol, and presumably replace him with the candidate of their choice?

    I certainly had vague suspicions the Premier League had huge power but i’d never even thought about who ultimately controls who gets to rule pgmol.

    Halsey also casually drops, without a hint of criticism, the suggestion that Don may have gone because managers in the North West- Ferguson, Moyes, Allardyce are the three named- had ‘conspired’ to remove him.

    Extraordinary stuff. Did no journalists whatsoever read Halsey’s book (if I’m willing to put myself through it as an amateur, why the fuck aren’t the professionals?)? Or is that not a big deal, nor the sort of thing you should look into immediately.

    Unfortunately Halsey makes no comment on if it was true or not, he just says ‘it was portrayed (to Don, or within ref or general football circles) that certain powerful and influential managers [got Don removed]

    If true, I’d say there can hardly be a bigger football story in the last ten years : what were they unhappy about? How the fuck could they go about getting their wish?

    Anyway, it actually fits neatly to this conspiracist : Don is removed (after invincibles have made mr Ferguson unhappy), new man comes in; Riley puts in perhaps the worst performance in premier league history ; Riley becomes boss in his turn; Arsenal do hideously badly on penalties and other key markers under his regime

  118. Jambug
    13/09/2016

    Rich

    The whole thing stinks worse than a bucket of pig swill in a heat wave, yet it seems nobody in the media can smell a thing.

    And people, including Arsenal fans, still come on here accusing us of being paranoid.

    Even if you dismiss the referee reviews, the statistics on penalties and cards alone are damming evidence of how badly we are treated by referees.

    For a predominantly possession based, attacking team, our ratio of penalties ‘for and against’ simply defies the laws of probability.

    Similar for cards. We are constantly told we are a ‘soft’ touch. A team without fight, yet strangely enough our fouls to cards ratio, has over the years been the worst in the PL.

    I obviously put both of these statistics down to how we are refereed, but this is the point, the way we are refereed is unequivocally down to how we are attacked and ridiculed in the media.

    Any player of ours that exhibits any aggressive characteristics is immediately highlighted to the referees by the media as ‘One to watch’. One poor challenge and the World and his dog are never allowed to forget it. But as you said yesterday Rich, measure this against how any indiscretions by Rooney are treated as if it’s the first foul he’s ever done.

    Any penalty we get and the media immediately jump on the offending ref letting him, and all the other referees, know, in no uncertain terms that giving Arsenal penalties is simply not on, and if you do….well get ready for the shit to hit the fan.

    If any of our guys should go down too easily in the box and ‘cheat’ is screamed at us, and they are forever on labelled a diver. Yet, using Rooney again, he ‘wins’ penalties.

    From what you say Rich, this book of Halseys is shocking. At the very least it should of instigated further, open, and in depth debate, if not just to quash it.

    But no, nothing.

    I find it amazing that the referees ‘pay off’ for there silence at the end of there careers is allowed to happen without a murmur. Surely that reeks of something to hide in itself ?

    And as with a lot of things such as this it is the silence that is deafening and damming.

    Truly worrying how this is all just being allowed to pass under the bridge.

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