27 responses

  1. RoyVasey
    27/09/2010

    I understand your points regarding the clubs financial stability.
    But it would be nice to get some defensive stability too, and if outlaying on a keeper to placate us fans is needed so be it. We pay for our tickets so we deserve a team worthy of the high ticket prices.
    £5 – 10 million on a keeper would be a worthy investment.
    How many shirt sales do you believe Almunia and Fabianski get?
    Yes, I know a new keeper won’t make £10 million on shirt sales, but I guarantee a Given or Akinfeev would be worth every penny on the pitch.
    Roy.

  2. Michael George K
    27/09/2010

    Thanks, because someone has to come out and teacher all the shouting toms something about “FORECAST”

  3. A Casual Observer
    27/09/2010

    Great post 🙂

  4. Terence McGovern
    27/09/2010

    UMMM! That year regarding the shirt deal should be 2014 . Still it is closer than when I submitted it first as 2104.
    Oh well.
    Also please bear in mind I wrote and submitted it on friday so please don’t start the keeper debate here eh 😉

  5. LRV
    27/09/2010

    A very good piece, Terence. I concur about our Commercial parity with other top European Clubs and make bold to say that I know that it will happen. Plans are well afoot on that front.

  6. Homer
    27/09/2010

    Top post. Like your points at the end re: Portsmith and Liverpool.

    Newer fans (and that includes me, as w/in the last 10 years) are accustomed to success. Raised expectations and all that. But patience gooners. Patience.

    The drubbing by WBA was not Almunia’s doing alone. The defense deplorable; offense equally so. Its a sport, gentlefolk. And on any give day, anything can happen. As one ardent gooner at my pub used to say (god rest his soul): That’s why the play the games. Otherwise why not just give the cup to the team the best players.

    ManIOU supporters don’t routinely call for SAF’s head after a draw or an upset loss. Or cry Rooney is crap sell him (even though he is!). Supporting the club, it seems to me, is distinct from acting like spoilt little kids.

    Cheers!

  7. RoyVasey
    27/09/2010

    Sorry I won’t do it again 😉

  8. Terence McGovern
    27/09/2010

    Cheers Roy! (I also have strong feelings on the subject and perhaps we should have a great (if academic ) debate at some point in a structured manner)

    There is one area that I didn’t really venture into and so far nobody seems to have picked up on it. i am still waiting to see what the Swiss rambler has to say on the subt.

    On our Consolidated balance sheet we have “Debtors due within one year” of over £62 million! What the hell??

    One assumes that the language is self-explanatory and basically we are due to receive money over the next year which is currently owed to us to the tune of £62 million! That is only £10 million less than our money from the SKY TV deal this year.

    Is it combination of stage payments due from say Henry, Hleb, Adebayour and Toure combined with commercial deal payments from Emirates and Nike? I mean it still sounds too much doesn’t it.

    What is more interesting to me on the subject is that it wasn’t alluded to in any of the director’s comments.

    Either way it is going to puzzle me until somebody elaborates upon it.

  9. Phil
    27/09/2010

    Nice read Terence, always good to see articles from you!

  10. munawwar
    27/09/2010

    i stay in india… the epl market is growing here… just this year the 1st man utd store opened in a very expensive area…. i have ofcourse not gone there… i will like breaking the glass to that store…!

    cant wait for arsenal stores here!

  11. kiwigooner
    27/09/2010

    No the shareholders cannot touch any of this money.

    surely one vote can transform the non take up of dividends, so the shareholders can profit annually as the company does?

    Enjoyed the read..

  12. munawwar
    27/09/2010

    this is in mumbai… india

  13. Dark Prince
    27/09/2010

    Nice insight on where our business is heading towards.

    But surely, we have to start thinking about winning titles now. We had a huge debt which was a big burden on our spending abilities since last 5 years. But now all that debt is gone. The remaining debt is to be paid in 20 yrs which i think is easily achieveable. Plus the youngsters with whom we had started with 5 years ago hav all become quite matured now. I think its still the goalkeeping position which is little problematic for us. If we want to be seriously taken as title contenders then we have to bring in a top class goalkeeper. No offence to Almunia, he’s a decent keeper but he’s not good enough to win us the title.

  14. Digger
    27/09/2010

    Good article,
    One point I would like to make is where you have alluded to the future broadband/internet broadcasting rights, do you not think that a global brand such as the mancs this will be a huge revenue stream for them and as such the Glazers know this and see this as a way to allieviate their debt and to a lesser extent the scousers as well?

  15. Richard B
    27/09/2010

    The price you have to pay to buy a football club includes future earnings as well as what the club is worth today. I think that the so called Red Knights found that out when they started to talk to the Glazers about buying Manure. Liverpools problem is not being able to meet their debt payments which puts them in a much more difficult club valuation situation. Arsenals enviable finances puts them in the situation where they can call the shots in pretty well any situation – even telling Barcaloaner where to get off re Cesc.
    My guess however is that the strategy is to pay off the debt early or to create an investment pool that will generate income to meet the debt payments (at least in part) so that the Board can live up to its ‘custodianship’ principles. If bradband coverage expands then it may well be the case that match ticket prices will have to fall in order to continue to fill the stadiums. Having other sources of investment income could be vital – and no one else will have them!

  16. Terence McGovern
    27/09/2010

    Digger this is very uncharted territory and it opens a huge can of worms. For example :

    A hi-def real-time stream is required in all regions subscribed from. So long term partners with relevant experience and tech are required.

    Will it compromise current and/or TV deals? As we do more through the internet will it marginalise more traditional viewing habits? I would think that the matches that are not purchased by SKY,ESPN, SETANTA etc should be available for sale.

    Will it all be done individually or collectively by the league and this to me is the biggest question.

    Arsenal Man UTD Liveroool etc would have a global following.
    Who the fk would want to watch the likes of Blackburn or stoke so it would make no sense to give them equal share but rather a Token % for the games that the participate in which are payperview streamed.

    Lots to be sorted out there really HUGE can of worms. That being said the club that has the different markets and media partnerships already sorted will make a killing if it does get the go ahead. Honestly I can see the courts being consulted.

    Oh and dark Prince I agree with you that yes now is the time to be investing more towards on-field success. i suspect though that the club found the market static and unyielding during the summer.The landscape has changed there I think. We may do more business in January than we did during the summer in terms of money I suspect(both out and in)

  17. Terence McGovern
    27/09/2010

    Kiwi:
    I am pretty sure that the only shareholders that may consider asking about this would be the 2 largest but really neither have any financial need for it aand persuit of such by one would be used against them by the other.
    Nina might also but the others would vote her down ,,,,,well because she is Nina and basically they don’t like her. Whilst her 16% is in play, it is of no use to anybody unless one of the top 3 shareholders plays ball which is highly unlikely.

  18. walter
    27/09/2010

    One detail mentioned the fact that watching reserve games could bring some money to the club. When I subscribed arsenal tv online it was broadcasting the reserve matches live. I always looked at it untill they stopped it. Still feel bad about it.

    Great article Terrence, really enjoyed it and learned from it. Thanks.

  19. Phil
    27/09/2010

    Terence, while you are right in saying that nobody would be interested in watching streams of Stoke etc, think about the international broadcasting rights. Those are primarily purchased to broadcast United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool games, yet those four teams recieve as much money as any other side in the league in the interests of competitive balance.

  20. Terence McGovern
    27/09/2010

    Phil I get what you are saying but we would be discussing matches that have essentially been rejected by the major broadcasters within certain markets.
    Remember that EVERY Arsenal game is shown on TV somewhere BUT not everywhere. A broadcaster purchases the right to show say Arsenal V Wigan in AISA for example. They show it on their channel that serves that marketplace. However that match is not shown say in the European marketplace. That match could then be shown in europe via hidef online stream broadcast. It would be safe to assume that the VAST majority of subscribers to view it would be doing so in support of the stronger brand of the two which would be Arsenal. Given that it is unlikely that Wigan would have the international brand infrastructure to have the media partnerships to act as a internet broadcast platform and it would exist through Arsenals partnerships, it would make sense that the majority of the payperview income is split between Arsenal and their partners.
    The fairest split would be that subscribers would have the ability to click online the team that they are watching in support of and income net of media partners is split accordingly. Those who are watching from a neutral point of view could click that also and that sector of the income stream could be split down the middle net of media partners share.
    This would also provide superb marketing data for both clubs by the way.
    I know you could say that the same situation exists within TV which is collectively allocated in terms of income but really, internet stream viewing, especially payperview is a far more “hardcore” activity in terms of supporter participation and so it is arguable that there is a diminished case for collective distribution of income especially where only one party has the infrastructure and indeed market to make payperview streaming a commercial viability.

    At some point the collective distribution of income has to stop in the case of greater defined direct contribution of income to a particular market. Otherwise clubs would be collectively distributing the incomes from the combined replica shirt sales for example which would be commercial communism.

    It is of course a good idea for the broadcasting tv rights to be collectively distributed as it is the main financier of the Premier League and allows the active and competitive participation of all league members.
    However it does need to be recognised that certain clubs have a global appeal and demand and should be allowed to exploit these for personal rather than collective gain within new and unexplored markets. Otherwise there is no incentive for lesser brands to bother to invest in their promotion as they could essentially leech off of those who already have.

    Some might say this is unfair but really if there was a streamed game being shown pay perview across AISA with the 2 already mentioned teams and Wigan had signed players from Korea, China and Japan it is highly likely that in the system that I suggested, they might have the lions-share of the revenue. It is all down to how much effort each individual club is willing to put into exploiting the demand in each marketplace.

  21. Gf60
    28/09/2010

    “Behind the Arsenal figures… what does it all mean?”
    Lots of money but still no gk we can really rely on. Another flap from Fab tonight and I’ll be agreeing with Chesney!

  22. zong
    28/09/2010

    Insightful and thought-provoking article, thanks. It will be very interesting to see if your predictions on January transfer activity pan out

  23. critic
    28/09/2010

    all said and understood…but the important point here is arsenal need trophies for global recognition, for so called ur global expansion. All things will remain rosy until arsenal fails to qualify for cl. That will be a back breaker…players will leave and no star player would want to join arsenal or if they do they will demand very high salary. Attendance will go down reducing the money made through stadium ticket sales. Cl money wont be their also. Then what will u do with all ur money??Most of it will go down to build a new team and compensate for the losses made by stadium and cl.Better spend it while u can.
    We don’t need any world class player at present but we need some answer :
    why is their so many injuries since we moved to emirates???
    where is the worthy assistant manager which can takeover from arsene??
    for how long arsene gonna keep faith in fabianski???

  24. Brickfields Gunners
    28/09/2010

    Nice post Terence – the future is rosy.More of the same for me.Go Gunners !

  25. The Swiss Rambler
    28/09/2010

    @Terence,

    Re your question on Other Debtors:

    Unfortunately, the 2010 press release does not provide an analysis for the £62m in Other Debtors, but we do have a break-down from the 2009 annual accounts and 2010 interim accounts, which confirmed that much of last year’s figure was down to outstanding transfer fee payments from other clubs (£23m). It’s therefore a reasonable assumption that this year’s balance will also include a large amount for transfer fees, especially given the high player sales.

    These transactions will already have been booked as profit, but the payments will further improve the cash levels when they are received.

    The remaining balance is just normal Trade Debtors, Prepayments and Accrued Income.

    I have today published my detailed analysis of Arsenal’s financials, which can be found here:

    http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/09/cash-city-rockers.html

  26. Terence McGovern
    28/09/2010

    Cheers Rambler! I have been eagerly awaiting your take on this. I was thinking same but it was the high value at £62 million that threw me.

    Critic I would agree that despite statements to the contrary, non-qualification for the CL would be a disaster for the club. That being said I doubt that many would disagree the the top 4 spots will be taken by the usual suspects this year with man city replacing Spurs who will find the two front competitions of CL and Pl difficult. I admit to some worry that City will find some away form and threaten us but I do feel that Utd are in for some tough times this year also us finishing 2nd wouldn’t surprise me greatly.
    You are very correct though that gaining the championship would do more for our global branding than all the marketting we could muster.

  27. Chris H
    02/10/2010

    Top post, always nice to here from someone who’s looking at the big picture.

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