Ref Review: Arsenal – Watford

35 Replies to “Ref Review: Arsenal – Watford”

1. Wow! Some serious work has gone in to this. Must have took all the 2 weeks to compose since the game finished. Struggling to remember what happened so can’t really correlate the article. Sounds like the ref had it in for us though. Wouldn’t such time be better spent analysing the performances of the arsenal players? A lot of articles this week just on refs. Was promised an analysis of the Bayern game which has yet to appear. Will it just be on the ref? And will we have to wait 2 weeks? Think such analysis needs to be made while the game is still fresh in the mind. Just my take on things.

2. The unpredictable game that is the FA Cup is at it today again with some Davids killing some Goliaths and one Goliath escaped being killed by a David as Millwall have knockout Leicester. And Burnley had earlier fell to Lincoln while Man City escaped from getting knockout by Huddersfield. Wow! Let see what will happen to Chelsea at Wolves.

3. @Tommo

   How about some respect for the most competent analysis of the referees’ performances on the internet?

   If you had read the article after the game, you would have known the players weren’t praised for their performance.

4. Yep Tommo we have nothing else to do in our lives. sigh.
   Sorry about the fact we do all have work to do get some money on our bank account…

5. It’s allways the ref…

6. Yes, that is the point of a referee review, the ref.

   Secondary considerations are the two assistant referees on the lines.

   Tertiary consideration is the fourth official.

7. Tommy, your arrogance is astounding. But I suppose you just came on here to get a reaction. Pathetic! Find something more useful to do.

8. Above comment should be addressed to Tommo.

9. Another good analysis – thanks guys.

   Marriner showed the usual PGMO bias – looks like all Bandits in Black have to do so – or else emigrate!

10. Hey, not knocking. Doing a grand job. I just think the limited time the site writers have could be better spent on analysing the arsenal players rather than the referee? This is an arsenal site after all.

    I haven’t seen any analysis on the players from the Bayern game? The article after the game basically said we didn’t make any fouls in the 2nd half, which was our undoing. Arseblog usually does a player rating the day after.

    A similar write up in the same fashion as this article, but on the arsenal team rather than the ref would be a good read. Clearly a lot of time and thought has gone in to this. However, on watching the game back, criticising or praising a player’s decision making during a part of play is better for discussion. Where the ref has messed up (like 2 balls on the pitch), then by all means highlight.

    Not criticising. A lot of work goes on here. That’s just my take on things.

11. I will go to the school again.

    It seems to me that I can’t read well.

    I mean, Klis and Tommo have seen things I haven’t in this review. There is a clear sentence that says there was no major mistakes from the ref (which translates as: “Yes, he was biased with minor things but he didn’t cost us points”) but two brilliant readers Klis and Tommo have deducted that the point of the review was that the ref had screwed us up.

12. can you guys expand a bit on why Monreal episode was not a penalty?

13. Tommo – we tend not to do the same as other people do – that is why it is called Untold. The exception is when we feel that everyone else’s analysis has missed a fundamental point and so we need to approach from another point of view.

14. I think Wolves should have been given a penalty in the 1st half after their player was pushed down by a Chelsea player in the box. I couldn’t continue watching the 2nd half of the match because they took light and I don’t want to put on my gen to save the fuel in it for our Sutton vs Arsenal match tomorrow. But I monitored the 2nd half of the Wolves vs Chelsea game on BBC Football live App on my mobile. But I don’t know how well both teams played in the 2nd half. But Chelsea won the match 0-2 at fulltime.

    What I saw in the Wolves.game in the 1st half was they lacked headers to head the ball to goal in the Chelsea box as most of their enterprising crossings went astray. Had it been they have players who have good spring to lift high very well and attack the ball they might have scored. And Chelsea will be forced out to play to look for the equaliser instead of defending and counter attacking Wolves as they were doing. It would have been the other way round as Wolves will be doing most of the defending after scoring and counter attacking Chelsea who will be forced to be coming out to do most of the attacking looking to equalize.

    And I must say Moses is a very good mid or wing back attacking player for Chelsea because he takes on the opposition player as he runs and beat him dribbling past him before attempting to score or pass the ball to his mate to try to score. Can our Bellerin be playing like this? I think against Liverpool at Anfield and Bayern Munich in the return leg at the Ems, he has to improve on his game in these big games. He should not just limit himself to passing the ball back or sideways when facing an opponent player but he should try to take him on and beat him or them by dribbling past him or them to attempt to score or pass to his mate accurately to try to score.

15. It seems a player in a lower division in Spain, decided to assault an assistant referee during a match.

    40 games for the assault
    5 games for another violent conduct (in that game?)
    2 games for ignoring the official when being talked to

    and his team was docked 1 point.

    http://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/02/17/58a72c52468aebbe078b4666.html

    Apparently this sort of ban has been handed out before.

16. I think Tmmo has said something that annoyed the site hierarchies and some Untolders hence he’s being blastered. I went back to his comment and read it again. But is he trying to say the UA should not be totally concentrating on referees performance reviews alone but be doing reviews on the performances of the Gunners in their last games as well, so that the Gunners can be helped to known whether they have improved on their game or have faltered? Just imagine how Coquelin had allowed Arjen Robben to get away from him without tackling him to impede him and Robben had a free space to dangled and size up Ospina which cost us the first goal in the match. That goal is preventable had Coquelin done his job properly. What can of DM has Coquline turned to after recently getting a new contract extension deal at Arsenal? A comfort zone DM or what?

17. @SAA

    Coquelin has been out of form pretty much since his knee injury in November 2015 against West Brom. He had shown a few positive signs before the injury against Chelsea but after Cazorla’s injury, he hasn’t been on the required level.

    My guess is, he wants to participate more in the attacking part of the game which is not his A game. He has never scored a goal and his passing range doesn’t make him exactly a top playmaker. He has pace, ability to recover the ball and tackle the opponents. That’s what he should be focusing on as Mr Wenger once said in 2015 while praising his form. Coquelin should carry the piano, Özil should play the piano and Xhaka should do a bit of both.

18. There are many articles on this site. After the Watford match there was one about the match. This article is entitled Ref Review. So I can’t see how anybody coming to read this article can expect anything but a ref review.

19. Pat – Gary Neville called one an idiot. You have just pointed to several idiots. 😉

20. Dear Usama Zaka

    One of my friends is not convinced that Leicester last year so called victory was highly aided by Refs. Cud u pls tell me the number of wrong important decisions in favour of Leicester during the campaign to help me out.

    The 3 i recall from my memory are as below

    Wrong penalty against Newcastle
    Wrong penalty against Westham
    Two wrong calls against southhampton

    There were numerousof them.If you could add to above i will be obliged.

21. @Rosicky

    A potential leg-breaker by Fuchs on Sessegnon – Sessegnon was booked for dissent by Ed Sheeran.

    Drinkwater got away without a red card for his potential leg-breaker on Ramsey.

    A penalty not given for City in a 0:0 draw.

    Vardy’s goals during the record-breaking streak – I think there was an offside or two.

22. Ok Tony, fair enough. Always good to have something from a different perspective.

    Thank you Samuel. On the same wave length. Good call on Coquelin which is still fresh in the mind. Incorrect decision on Coquelin! Now whether the free kick against Koscielny on 82 minutes from 2 weeks ago is the wrong call? No idea?

    Josif. Don’t be hard on yourself. No need to go back to school. The article and yourself say the ref was biased against arsenal? As I said before, its nearly 3 weeks ago this game and its hardly fresh in the mind. All I’ve done is taken the articles word on it? No big deal? If you’re going to use words like ‘biased’ then to me it sounds like he had it in for us. For your homework, just look up ‘bias’ in the dictionary, and then see if its much different to what I said?

23. Tks josif

    Drinkwater challenges on Ramsey may not count as Arsenal still won.
    Tough we can further assume that if Drinkwater was sent off for a Red and miss 4 matches it could have costed furher points for Leicester.

    Re sessegnon cud u confirm the wrong call from Ref did change the result of the match.

24. @Ros

    Leicester v WBA ended 2:2. It is very unlikely they would have won that point if Ed Sheeran had shown Fuchs a red card for a serious foul (3 matches out).

    Without Drinkwater they would have had three games with a make-shift midfield.

    Vs Southampton Mane rounded Schmeichel and sent the ball in the empty net only for Simpson (?) to handball it out of the goal. A penalty and a red card at 0:0 with over an hour of football to play – Soton would have probably won the match in which Leicester won 1:0.

    @Tommo

    If you had read the reviews correctly, especially Andrew’s post-review articles, you would have known that a game without major decisions going against us translates as “the ref didn’t influence on the final outcome”.

25. Josif

    You forgot Huths handball vs Southhampton.A clear penalty in my opinion.

26. Josif, I stand corrected. You probably are right and do need to go back to school. I did read the article correctly.

    If you read my point correctly, where did I ever say the ref influenced the final outcome?

27. Rosicky@Arsenal

    Oooofff, there are tons of them that went in favour of Leicester last season. They were awarded some 14-15 penalties, and conceded only 1-2 pens. Many of pens given were dives throughout the season, aided by the referees to award them. And far more than that were the pens that they did not concede for pushing, pulling, holding, handling the players & ball, again aided by the referees to not award them.

    Its just so much to recall from last season without good data on these things available in Leicester games.

28. Usama

    Tks for the response cud u give video links to just 5 to 6 incidents which influenced the result of the match and added to Leicester points.

    I would be obliged.

29. It would seem that Clattenburg had been in the doghouse, and possibly had turned (somewhat) to the dark side by Sith Master 😈 Mike Riley.

    But, Clattenburg is unusual to PGMO/EPL officiating, in that he is moving. Changing locations. This is unusual.

    One of the referees from 1994/95 is Phillip Don. I think he was the person to precede Hackett (and the 😈 Mike Riley).

    In any event, in doing a little research on him, it seems that some of the time he was based in Sheffield, and some of the time in Middlesex. And I don’t know when the move was. I suspect he was in Middlesex during 1994/95, because Sheffield Wednesday was in the EPL that season. If someone happens to have this information, that would be great. Better yet, would be officials records as to where all officials in that season were based. Most places just say “England”.

    Other information missing. Lots of FA Cup and League Cup games do not list a referee. Almost none list cards.

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30. Rosicky@Arsenal,

    There is site called THE HPL. They did a complete week by week report with tables on how would the league table be if only goal & penalties (give and not given) judged on BBC, Sky Sports, MOTD and BT Sports were used.

    They found out that Arsenal should have won the league not Leicester.

    I have added some links of games where the according to the media Leicester were in a “fairy tale”

    https://justpaste.it/saved/14624881/eabffe36

    Sorry couldn’t find clips.

31. Tks Usama that will help.

32. Thanks, review team.

33. Yes.
    Many thanks.

34. Q: What kind of gbberibg loon goes onto a ref review published at the standard interval of a couple of weeks these past few years and asks why there is a ref review?

    A: the kind of gibbering pathetic troll that has failed to troll this blog using other angles, so it must reflect it’s own genius in these further efforts of failure upon a public forum. If only they were this passionate about the standard of the officials in association football, a structure where some officials have been forced to retire or forced out of the league, whereas fans and administrators in all other sports have been acting to support their officials in the modern era?

    Yes. It takes a special kind of disingenuous lunacy to plug that line, as anyone reading this blog can observe. The kind of expertise that can take a team from beating Bergkamp’s Holland and Argentina to national humiliation against the Giants of Costa Rica and Iceland?

    The Life of Riley. It’s lead to glory eh?

    Will we witness Probert C2014 cup final rigging effort tonight or will we get a Moss on good behaviour C2015 (following the public critiques of this individual by others in the build up back then, by his peers etc…). Anyone who tries to defend this predictable shite when compared to the Rugby etc. needs a rocket up their Arsenal. This is not a complicated debate.

35. Yet again more great work on the ref review, when i want to know how the ref performed during the match your ref reviews are by far the best, like most people when I want a match review I read your match review rather than these, sadly this is too complicated for some…