- Arsenal see off Man U with a greater understanding of how the game works
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Football in England is policed by football clubs and a secret cabal.
by Tony Attwood
Between 2007 and 2014, an average of 32 direct free-kicks were turned into goals each season, “but in 2023/24 only 11 direct free-kicks found the back of a Premier League net.” according to the Premier League’s official site.
But last season, up until the final round of matches that figure had collapsed to nine, although two on the final day took it up to double figures. Even so, 11 was a record low for goals scored from such situations in one season.
So, as ever football changes; that is part of the attraction of the game. Yet that decline has to be compared with the fact that last season, a record number of goals were scored in the Premier League: an average of 3.28 goals per game. The previous record was from the season before: 2.85, a game, also a record (figures from the BBC).
All of this means the number of goals is growing, and surely that is what people want. And Arsenal of course have been among the leaders in this revolution. Indeed the last time Arsenal exceeded the goal tally of each of the last two seasons was in 1952/3 when, in winning the Football League Division 1, they goal 97 goals and conceded 54.
Of course these days Arsenal are not the top scorers in the League, but when you consider that in2020 Arsenal got 55 goals, and the number of goals has risen each season since, you might agree that this is not only good for Arsenal, but rather good for football. Most fans don’t want to see goalless draws and 1-0 victories.
Except the headline, “‘They’re a disgrace’ – Man United fan rips into Arsenal tactics as Dimitar Berbatov brands them ‘new Stoke’,” does suggest not everyone agrees.
That headline comes from TalkSport, choosing as news to report one disgruntled ManU fan’s comments, as a headline. Obviously I could write the headline “TalkSport is destroying football journalism; they are an utter disgrace” which would not be far from how I feel, but it wouldn’t actually be that interesting. Just my opinion – unless I could show how they are destroying football journalism.
But to give the talking sprouts credit they do admit that Arsenal, “had the lion’s share of chances against their old rivals, but it was from corners where they were at their most deadly yet again.”
So yes we would perhaps agree, but inevitably the Sprout had a few ManU fans calling in (possibly from Cornwall, but I’m not too sure of that) and so they have taken one such who announced that “Arsenal are a disgrace of a team… They’re a set piece team, they can’t play any more, they’re a disgrace and they know it.”
Now these are interesting claims. And let’s take the last one first – that Arsenal know they are a disgrace. It is not clear if “they” means the manager and his coaching team, the owners, or maybe the team itself, or maybe us fans, or maybe all of us, but as a fan I can say “no, I don’t know it.” But the rantist continued, “When Stoke were doing it, it was bad for football, they’re basically Stoke in disguise. Well done, you scored two goals from set pieces and you created absolutely nothing.”
He then concludes, “They’re not going to win the league,” although that actually was only a conclusion in the sense that the rantist was then stopped, for this clearly wasn’t a drawing together evidence which led to an inevitable outcome.
Dimitar Berbatov also found it important to express a view without statistics or coherent evidence. “Probably the Premier League is the only league in the world where there are so many players around the goalkeeper who are pushing and shoving, making chaos.”
Certainly, Arsenal do put players around the keeper, but as I watch the games what I see is a lot of two-way pushing and shoving. There is nothing in the rules that says one cannot place players around the keeper, and in fact if the keeper or other defenders then push the Arsenal player that should be a penalty. If the reverse it should be a free kick to the defending team. But Arsenal are not getting penalties.
My assumption (not being able to check this with PGMO given their abject secrecy and fear of openness) is that PGMO don’t want to keep giving penalties for pushes in the box, because if they did, every corner would immediately become a penalty, because this is what so many defenders do.
So when the objector talking to the Sprout said regarding the pushing, “Normally it’s a foul,” I can’t agree. It simply isn’t.
There is of course nothing to connect Arsenal with Stoke City – I can’t remember them attacking let alone filling the opposition penalty area with players when they got a corner, but of course the Sprout won’t follow the facts, instead they suddenly switch decades and say, “Arsene Wenger used to complain about Stoke during their top flight stint from 2008 to 2018.” Yes he did, because their level and violence of their tackling was excessive. They would foul, not just to stop a player, but to inhibit or injure, that was what marked them out.
The claim is then made that at a coaching conference, Patrick Vieira said, ‘We used to hate going to Stoke. You were the only club that Wenger actually talked about and worked on before. We just couldn’t beat you.’
Of course I don’t know what Patrick actually said, but in Wenger’s time as manager Arsenal played Stoke 23 times. Arsenal won 14 of the games, three were draws and six were Stoke wins. It is something of a shame that Talk Sport can’t actually check their facts. But they don’t, and that is a fact.
All I remember about Stoke under Pulis was their speciality in deliberately injuring opponents and relying on long throw-ins.
A team cannot win 20 corners in a match without playing continuous attacking football.
Berbatov did mention Stoke as a parallel in regards to set piece goals because Stoke had a reputation for playing for throw-ins as their main weapon of attack. They did it against every team.
In reality it was a poor analogy, and in fact it wasn’t even a criticism. He was in discussion with Theo Walcott, and the gist of that conversation was that it was a good thing.
They made the point that to have such a lethal weapon to call on when the usual avenues of attack are not reaping rewards is fantastic.
They actually went as far as to suggest that EVERY team should follow Arsenals example and have a specialist coach for corners.
It was a very positive conversation about how brilliant Arsenal are at it. There was never any suggestion that it made Arsenal one dimensional. Or that it was their only threat. Or that there should be any criticism for doing it.
But there you go, when it comes to Talkshite you can trust them to take ONE WORD from an interview and turn something Arsenal do brilliantly into a negative.
And people come on here wondering why e have an issue with Talkshite and the media in general.
Nitram I’m very grateful to you for the clarification of the origins – I went to London early to meet my pal and have a meal in a local pub, so didn’t get to see or hear any of the preview programmes.
Tony
It was actually a three way conversation that included Roberto Matinez who said of the tactic:
[Roberto Martinez] on Arsenal’s tactics this season: “We all suffered Stoke, and I think it is a great credit to remember Tony Pulis and the work that he did with the throw-ins. When teams do something exceptionally well, you have to try to find a different way to defend it.”
And I think that’s what Wenger said. I think that’s what the Arsenal supporters said. We had to learn to deal with those throw-ins, as did everybody else.
The issues Wenger had with Stoke and West Brom, as did the fans, was they actually attempted to hurt our players, and that was down to Tony Pulis.
Back in 2018 Dave Kitson shed some light on the situation.
This from the very same talkshite back in 2018:
Stoke star opens up over Aaron Ramsey leg break, revealing Tony Pulis ‘despised’ Arsene Wenger and was ‘out of control’
The striker was a substitute for Stoke when the Arsenal midfielder had his leg snapped by Ryan Shawcross in 2010
“Ramsey, who sustained fractures to the tibia and fibula in his right leg, screamed in agony after the reckless challenge and Kitson has shed light on his anguish from that day and the animosity between the two sides.
“I heard the crack of Ramsey’s leg from the bench,” Kitson recalled in his column for The Sun. “I heard the screaming. And the build-up to the game contributed to this moment.
“Stoke manager Tony Pulis absolutely despised Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, hated the way he played.
“All week I had never seen a manager so desperate to win a game of football, it was bordering on out of control.”
Talkshite comparing us the those thigs is laughable. But talkshite is laughable, so what can we expect.
Just a friendly reminder to Berbatov, Saka has more assist than the whole of Utd. Also, if its scoring is equated to Stoke, that means at this current rate we can put Utd on the level of Southampton. Not scoring goals constant relegation. That is just how stupid his comment is.
Just found the talkshite clip and to be fair the bit I heard they are laughing at the callers rant.
On my little ride around the interweb it does sound like frustrated Manc fans just venting. Most ‘professionals’ are generally talking in admiring terms, if a little begrudgingly.
After the game we were talking and we were saying that instead of 5 running in from the far post make it 3 or four and put a couple on the edge of the six yard box on the near post Steve Bould style and as one lot come forward the others go backwards . Just cause more confusion and keep the defences and referees guessing as inevitably they will be looking for a reason, the smallest push , to clamp down on it
As for talk tripe …Who ?