38 responses

  1. WalterBroeckx
    14/03/2012

    If I may add a strange thinG: NO offside decision was shown in a replay. So it was made impossible for the ref reviewers to check the offside. Maybe this is the way for the PGMOL to get to a high score for offside decision by not allowing others even the chance to check them?
    So the 100% score on offside decisions has to be taken with a pinch of salt

  2. Tony
    14/03/2012

    Thank you Walter. Having been at the game I have to admit I had very little idea how good the ref was – the passions were so high.

    But sitting behind the goal Arsenal attacked in the second half I can say that the Newcastle keeper was taking a huge amount of time in placing the ball, running back, and finally kicking it. It was hilarious to see him in the last minute trying to rush the process – great jeers from the crowd.

    I don’t expect keepers to rush the ball back into play, but a mid-point between the slow-slow-slow approach until the 95th minute and then the panic-rush approach of the last 2 minutes would be good.

  3. Johnny Deigh
    14/03/2012

    Walter,

    Thank you for the review.

    A couple of things regarding injury time added, there was also the incident where Jonas Gutierrez smashed into Sagna and then laid on the ground for 25 seconds or so holding his foot, then Webb proceeded to give him a yellow card. Play was stopped for about one minute. I’m not sure but I also believe Arsenal were not allowed to make a quick free kick during this time (goal disallowed).

    My question is should Jonas have been made to leave the pitch for the following free kick because he was lying down injured for 25 seconds or was he free to stay on the pitch because Webb was going to book him once he recovered and got up?

  4. Shard
    14/03/2012

    The offside flag definitely went up wrongly when Walcott was flagged offside despite coming from behind the defense, though Van Persie was offside at the time he was nowhere near where the ball was played and wasn’t interfering. There might have been other instances, but this was quite clear to the crowd all around the stadium, as was the invented Rosicky foul.

  5. WalterBroeckx
    14/03/2012

    Shard,
    This highlights one of the problems us ref reviewers have at times. We are down to what is shown on TV or the internet. I also had my doubts about some offside decisions but as we couldn’t prove anything we had to stick to the call on the field.

  6. WalterBroeckx
    14/03/2012

    Johnny,
    The Jonas-Sagna collision was a heavy one and it could have troubled Jonas a bit. I thought he tried to avoid a sure yellow card by feigning a bit. Maybe Webb would have said to him: “now get on your feet because if I have to call the medicals on the field I will count at least another extra minute”.

    It sometimes helps to get a player back on to his feet. 😉

    Being ran over by 80kg Sagna on full speed will hurt even if you made a deliberate block on him. But it cost some time and maybe he added that also?

    Allowing the medics on the field and getting a player off the field loses sometimes more time than allowing him to stay on.

  7. Mickess
    14/03/2012

    Shard is quite right about the Theo offside. It was outrageous and incensed me at the time.
    One thing the authorities could do though is to change the way goalkeepers are allowed to choose from which side they take the goal kicks. I’ve never been able to understand why they are allowed this choice when corners have to be taken from the side where he ball went out of play. It would in my mind seriously reduce the scope for goalkeepers to waste time as they invariably make the slow walk to the other side of the goal and then meticulously place the ball.

  8. DogFace
    14/03/2012

    Very fair review as always Walter – I must admit that I didn’t even notice Webb in the second half as I was so focused on the game.

    Just goes to show how a good performance from the officials can render them invisible.

  9. WalterBroeckx
    14/03/2012

    Mickess,

    there was a time when they had to do it that way. But then they changed it because there was too much time wasting …
    So it didn’t help at the end.

    One thing i cannot understand is that there is only one ball in the EPL that can be used. In all major competitions like CL they use more balls in order to keep the game going.

    A good suggestion would be that the keeper has 10-15 seconds to bring the ball back in play or otherwise a corner kick should be given to the other team. 😉 Now that would be something…

  10. DogFace
    14/03/2012

    @Walter – I think you have a choice on the number of balls used before kickoff – could be the home teams choice or coin flip… or maybe it’s just one ball now?

  11. WalterBroeckx
    14/03/2012

    We missed something apparently…Szczesny should have been booked
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150747337947275&set=p.10150747337947275&type=1&theater

    Oh my God, his name is Wojciech Szcheeky 😉

    It’s already visible that Jens Lehman is at Arsenal again 🙂

  12. Kentetsu
    14/03/2012

    The FA cannot afford more than one ball per match, with that white elephant in Wembley.

  13. Kentetsu
    14/03/2012

    Walter, if Krul was wasting so much time, should Webb not have handed out a yellow card instead of just adding extra time after 90 minutes? I don’t think the Rules of the Game allow for the ref to do whatever he thinks fit. (Although that never stopped the EPL refs before.)

  14. Kentetsu
    14/03/2012

    @Walter:

    Marvellous picture of Szczesny heading off with the match ball. Was definitely worth circumventing the Great Firewall of China to see that.

  15. Johnny Deigh
    14/03/2012

    Krul was obviously going to keep wasting time until he got booked, never happened though.

  16. Phil Gregory
    14/03/2012

    Good write up. From watching the game in the pub I thought Webb was OK. It was a fairly physical game but we dished plenty out too, so it was on OK performance from Webb in the end. Strange how his performance changes from half to half though…

  17. LRV
    14/03/2012

    Great review Walter! Our goalkeeper is turning out to be quite cheeky. Sneeking the ball away in itself is another form of entertainment. The Jens influence indeed. lol.

    BTW Walter, I hope that the 22 Flander’s school-kids who died in that swiss accident reported today is not too close to home? I absolutely hate when such things happen to children. My condolences to their families.

  18. 9jagunnerdoc
    14/03/2012

    Great write up Walter.

    I’ve always thought Mr Webb has got to be the worst referee in England, mainly because he influences every of his matches too much. Important calls he has to make and doesn’t(check Ba on Kozzer, compare with Ferdinand on Sagna last season), calls he needs not make and he makes, delaying the use of his cards unnecessarily etc.

    All these lead to error strewn matches whixh ultimately make him very bad. He has never impressed me and i wonder how he gets rave reviews in the refereeing world.

  19. nabby
    14/03/2012

    Nice review as usual. The only thing I wondered was with the foul given against Koscielny on Cabaye in the 92nd minute. From what I saw on TV it looked a borderline yellow card which would have been a red card for Kos as he was previously cautioned. Any thoughts?

  20. Gord
    14/03/2012

    Apparently, a Newcastle player (Cheikh Tiote) was getting racially abused at the game. Supposedly Arsenal is investigating this.

    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/03/14/2966850/arsenal-investigate-alleged-racial-abuse-of-tiote

    • DogFace
      14/03/2012

      @Gord – I hope they can identify the cunt and ban him for life – if he would have sat by me we would have had words… some ‘fans’ are a total fucking disgrace and this sort of behaviour reflects badly on all of us.

  21. zdzis
    14/03/2012

    Watching the game, I felt that if it wasn’t Webb, we would have seen two red cards for Newcastle and one for Arsenal before the 60 minute mark (Tiote being the most obvious of candidates). He did a good job, apparently ,though I really don’t fancy his style of approving fairly indecent behavior so long as it’s not ghastly.
    The poor performance in the 1st half might have been an issue of adjusting to Newcastle’s tough style of play. I felt he let some pretty hard challenges go, kind of like he was expecting the players to be capable of even more rash actions and didn’t want to go about picking every other one. Whatever it was, his control in the 2nd half was very good and it allowed Arsenal to show up in style & take control of the game eventually.
    But I still think Tiote should have got sent off.

  22. Tee Song
    14/03/2012

    @Walter,

    I can only assume that RvP’s yellow card was given on the basis of unsporting behavior for his taunting of Krul. I absolutely agree that taunting is unsporting and therefore worthy of a caution if the laws of the game are strictly interpreted. However, we should also acknowledge that multiple players in every game will be taunting their opponents. Anyone who lip reads can see that offensive language is part of the game and players are not sent off for it, as they should be if the strict language of the rules are enforced. Anyone who has ever been to a professional match will agree that taunting is often tolerated without even a word from the referee. So it begs the question as to what constitutes a taunt which is ignored versus one which merits a yellow card.

    I suppose most people would agree that racist, homophobic, or anti-religious insults warrant a yellow card. Is it the degree to which a player reacts to the taunt? Krul felt obliged to run 30 yards from his goal to confront RvP, he considered it so unsporting. On the other hand, Materazzi didn’t receive a yellow card for provoking Zidane’s headbutt.

    I think that Webb cautioned RvP because the Krul/RvP spat brought into clear focus the issue of Krul’s persistent time wasting and more importantly, Webb’s game long failure to even warn Krul, let alone caution him. Webb probably felt angered that RvP’s public displeasure at Krul in the first half and the crowd’s subsquent boos represented a rather scathing indictment, in front of a larger than normal TV audience, of his own mismanagement of Krul’s time wasting. Krul’s over reaction to RvP presented Webb with the perfect opportunity to stamp his authority back on the match.

  23. marcus
    14/03/2012

    In the post match interview, Arsene spoke about overcoming a good team, and some er, “negative vibes”.

    Class.

    Kudos to Newcastle for interceding when Webb ignored the bad challenge. I suspect if teams self-reffed, we could get a much higher standard of refereeing overall.

  24. Adam
    14/03/2012

    Krul got a lesson in “professionalism” when it matters. How much time was taken up by that incident after we scored. As for Szczesny legging it with the ball, Funny.

  25. Laundryender
    14/03/2012

    @Dogface
    Hear hear!!

  26. Laundryender
    14/03/2012

    sorry, here here!!

    Fucking spell chekc 😉

  27. Gord
    14/03/2012

    @DogFace

    You certainly don’t mince any words.

    Can we all hope it is someone from Le Grove that was abusing Tiote?

  28. WalterBroeckx
    14/03/2012

    Off topic so no need to read further if you are only interested in football as this is related to the terrible bus crash in Switzerland that cost the life of 28 people from whom 22 children aged 12

    @ LRV
    Thanks for your words.

    As Flanders is in fact a small country it is always near to us when something like that happens.
    One of the towns is 15 km from where I work and only one little town between it.
    As there is a habit of such school journeys in Flemish schools almost any child or adult knows this journey as he did it himself as a kid or his kids did it. My daughter did such a trip twice and it slips your mind when they are gone and you hope that they return safe without any broken bones from a ski accident. But such a horror thing…you cannot imagine such a thing.

    As a father of 4 children I cannot even come close to imagining what it must be for those parents without losing it. I will translate a few lines that circulate on Flemish websites today that express the sentiment in the country.

    Going on the holiday of your live being 12 years old
    Together with your friends learning how to ski
    Having fun and having the time of your live
    Throwing snowballs to your teachers,…..
    All those days you have been waiting to tell how great it was
    All those days you have sealed your lips until you get home
    All those days of anticipation to tell all the things you did
    You had some great stories about your adventures to tell
    Stories that never will be told

    never knowing that this would be your last holiday
    Never going home, never having fun….never
    For always a star in the sky

    We wish a lot of strength in these horrible times for the parents, brothers and sisters, grandparents, family and friends of the children and for the teachers, children and principals of the schools involved
    R.I.P.

    And with the risk of another Rhys attack I also would like to mention that amongst the 22 dead children there are also 8 or 9 Dutch children from Dutch people who live in Belgium as one of the schools is near to the border between Holland and Belgium/Flanders. So there is a strong Benelux feeling about this on both sides of the border.

    Flanders mourns…

    what a nightmare

  29. Donnyfan1
    14/03/2012

    Excellent review, posts and sentiments- very, very chastening. Thanks to all contributors.

  30. rantetta
    14/03/2012

    May those who have passed Rest In Peace.

    May the families and all those affected find peace, in time.

  31. Gord
    15/03/2012

    @Walter

    My condolences on this tragedy.

  32. Adam
    15/03/2012

    @Walter, It’s a parents worst nightmare. I remember last year, September, my Partner was taking my boy to visit her parents, when I realised they were flying on September 11th I immediately booked myself onto the flight and went with them. This year I had to stay home to work, I await there return this Sunday. I now wish I went with them. My thoughts go out to all those affected by this loss.

  33. AnT.
    15/03/2012

    It’s terrible to hear about the accident. My deep condolences to the family and friends.

  34. Gord
    16/03/2012

    @Off-topic

    Of the current threads, this seems to be the closest.

    I guess Ryo is making a big impression at Bolton. He was player of the month for February, and has been man of the match at least once since then. The Daily Mail is reporting that Bolton would like to get Ryo on Loan for next season.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2115597/Bolton-keen-Arsenals-Ryo-Miyaichi-loan-season.html

    Which is wonderful news for Ryo. And also lets Arsenal know there is another forward/winger for next year.

  35. TC
    16/03/2012

    Good review but I still think Webb is an obnoxious referee whose mannerisms really wind me up.

    The goal kick either side of the goal was brought into speed up play. Time plays tricks but I think it was late 80’s or early 90’s. Anyways, 3 weeks after it was introduced it was obvious to all concerned that it did the exact opposite. I have always considered this yet more incompetence by FIFA.

    All this time wasting stuff could all be sorted so easily by giving the board holder – the 4th official a real job! The game should be 30 minutes each way – ball in play. Injuries feigned or not, drying the ball, goal kick messing about, referees and their admonishments etc would not matter. A nice big clock that starts and stops would be good for all to see.

  36. Mike
    16/03/2012

    @TC – I’ve argued this for years.

    Most matches see the ball in play for between 29 and 31 minutes per half. The advantages of an electronic stopwatch for the fourth official (what the hell does he do anyway!) as per basketball, american football etc etc are completely obvious. No Krul, no feigning injury, no substitutions in the 89th minute……………wasting time would become a waste of time.

    The authorities do not like players doing anything that might incite the crowd. This simple change would stop timewasting which…………incites the crowd.

  37. none
    21/03/2012

    Seems that there is a difference in opinion in the Ref community: http://s8.zetaboards.com/ratetheref/topic/8347369/1/

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