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Untold Ref Review: Manchester United 2 – 0 West Bromwich Albion

Today’s referee is Lee Probert – An interesting game for a few reasons as our ref reviewer is starting to see a pattern

MATCH REVIEW DETAILS – Lee Probert (2012-03-11)
Period 1
Min Type Foul from On C/NC Comment Weight
6 OTHER Tamaz Evra C 1
7 OTHER Scholes Brunt C 1
9 OTHER Andrews Scholes C 1
12 OTHER Chicaritto Ridgewell C 1
14 OTHER Odemwinge Evra N/C Evra ran across him and stumbled over, it was never a foul, but did deny WBA a good position. 1
15 OTHER Evans Fortune C 1
17 OFFSIDE Chicaritto C 1
21 OTHER Fortune Jones C 1
31 OFFSIDE Chicaritto C 1
35 GOAL C Rooney 3
38 OTHER Tamaz Young C 1
40 OTHER Morrisson Welbeck C 1
43 OTHER Evans Malumba N/C Ok, so a british player has a heavy touch, the ball goes so far in front of him he has to chase it and jump in, Mulumba ends up on the floor needing treatment. The ref gives nothing, Ref shows poor understanding of the game. 1
43 YELLOW Evans N/C It was an easy yellow for the worst challenge of the game, Probert got this totally wrong. 2
43 OTHER Brunt Jones N/C The ball breaks to Jones who takes a challenge from Brunt. But the game should have stopped 1 second earlier for worse foul. 1
45 OTHER Jones Odemwinge C Jones deliberately breaks up a WBA attack, pulling Odemwinge back from behind. 0
45 YELLOW Jones N/C Jones was taking one for the team, he knew it was a bookable offence, but not with this Ref and not at O/T. The WBA fans boo in outrage, they know what is going on, footbal fans are not that silly. 2
Period 2
Min Type Foul from On C/NC Comment Weight
47 OTHER Olsson Evans C 1
48 OTHER Olsson Rooney C 1
48 YELLOW Olsson C It was a similar challenge to the one by Jones in first half, an easy yellow this time though, correct but inconsistent 1
50 OFFSIDE Evra C 1
52 PENALTY Evra Odemwingie N/C Odemwinge goes inside Evra and is tripped in the box, right in front of Assistant, on his side, Ref has a good view, poor decicion making in favour of Man Utd again 3
54 OFFSIDE Fortune C 1
57 OTHER Carrick Morrison C 1
58 OTHER Chicaritto N/C He pushes a WBA player in the back who misses the ball, it runs through to Wellbeck who misses a sitter whilst the keeper looks on bemused by both the poor decision making and the worse finish. 1
63 OTHER C Good advantage played after a Brunt foul on Wellbeck, United break well and create a good situation. 1
65 OTHER Olsson Chicaritto C 1
65 RED Olsson C 2 yellows, he gave the Ref the chance to send him off, the Ref duly obliged. 1
67 OFFSIDE Chicaritto C He went for a rebound from a Young shot 1
70 PENALTY Andrews Young C Silly challenge, Young was going no where 1
70 GOAL C Rooney from the spot 1
78 OTHER Long Evans C 1
90 OTHER Long Jones C 1

You do these Ref reviews and you see some harsh truths. I have done a few games at OT now and what I see is that they will probably end up being crowned champions again. They are a very good team, full of talent, desire and ambition. But are they the best team in the league, are they worthy champions. Sadly we will never know, this is because the assistance they get from Referees makes it impossible to form a clear opinion, it certainly tilts results.


COMPETENCY SUMMARY – Lee Probert (2012-03-11)
Period 1 Called Total Correct %
GOAL 1 1 100.00
OFFSIDE 2 2 100.00
OTHER 9 12 75.00
YELLOW 0 2 0.00
TOTAL 12 17 70.59
WEIGHTED 14 21 66.67
Period 2 Called Total Correct %
GOAL 1 1 100.00
OFFSIDE 3 3 100.00
OTHER 7 8 87.50
PENALTY 1 2 50.00
RED 1 1 100.00
YELLOW 1 1 100.00
TOTAL 14 16 87.50
WEIGHTED 21 25 84.00
Totals Called Total Correct %
GOAL 2 2 100.00
OFFSIDE 5 5 100.00
OTHER 16 20 80.00
PENALTY 1 2 50.00
RED 1 1 100.00
YELLOW 1 3 33.33
TOTAL 26 33 78.79
WEIGHTED 35 46 76.09

On this occasion Jones and Evans should both have been booked in the first half. The Irony is that Olsson was booked twice in the second half for two challenges, one similar to Jones, and one similar to Evans.  It is this inconsistency that results in an application of the laws that loads the EPL in favour of Man Utd.  Olsson walked of course.

Regarding the Evans challenge, I remember doing the Liverpool V Man Utd review at Anfield. In the middle of the park Spearing took a heavy touch, the ball ran away from him, he then lunged after it all studs showing, Nani saw it coming and jumped out of the way, so Spearing appeared to make a clean tackle, only because Nani is partial to having two legs I felt. Ramsey Shawcross came to mind as I did that review.

“His first touch is so bad his second touch is a tackle”

This time it was Evans, a heavy touch the ball runs away from him and onto an opponent, Evans flew through the air to get the ball, studs showing and Mulumba ended up in a heap on the floor, can anyone spot the pattern here.  Again no foul,  It was poor refereeing.  However the same Referee managed to spot every foul by WBA, every single one, quite a remarkable effort on behalf of Man Utd I felt.

BIAS SUMMARY – Lee Probert (2012-03-11)
Period 1 Manchester United % West Bromwich Albion % Total
Correct For 6 54.55 5 45.45 11
Correct For Weighted 8 61.54 5 38.46 13
Incorrect Against 0 0.00 5 100.00 5
Incorrect Against Weighted 0 0.00 7 100.00 7
Fouls Commited 5 45.45 6 54.55 11
Fouls Penalised 4 80.00 5 83.33 9
Period 2 Manchester United % West Bromwich Albion % Total
Correct For 11 78.57 3 21.43 14
Correct For Weighted 11 78.57 3 21.43 14
Incorrect Against 0 0.00 2 100.00 2
Incorrect Against Weighted 0 0.00 4 100.00 4
Fouls Commited 3 33.33 6 66.67 9
Fouls Penalised 1 33.33 6 100.00 7
Totals Manchester United % West Bromwich Albion % Total
Correct For 17 68.00 8 32.00 25
Correct For Weighted 19 70.37 8 29.63 27
Incorrect Against 0 0.00 7 100.00 7
Incorrect Against Weighted 0 0.00 11 100.00 11
Fouls Commited 8 40.00 12 60.00 20
Fouls Penalised 5 62.50 11 91.67 16


This brings me on to something else you see when you review Man Utd at OT regularly. You are not allowed to show aggression, it will be penalised, most of all against Rooney, he is the Crown Jewels, he is the Bank of England, he is our one shot at glory, and he is untouchable. Refs understand this and behave accordingly.

Finally penalties, I know Man Utd fans will go on about the one Newcastle got at OT but, here we go again, as blatant a penalty as you will ever see, right in front of the assistant. The score was 1-0 at the time, and WBA had 11 men on the pitch, WBA were also causing Man Utd a few problems, Cue the pgmol, 100% incorrect decisions in favour of Man Utd.

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41 comments to Untold Ref Review: Manchester United 2 – 0 West Bromwich Albion

  • Mr H

    wow… 1st time reader, will be back for more. great post.

  • Steve

    Although I have say evra definitely got away with one there. Utd have had other games where we have been unfortunate with red decisions. I think you will find any team playing at home will often favour the decisions because the home crowd shouldn’t but does have a bigger influence on the ref than they would like to admit. The bigger the reaction from the crowd the more likely it is to get a decision in favour of the home team.

  • Red Rupert

    post deleted as it consisted of mindless abuse As the rules of the site say, you really do need to try and put some argument together if you want to get onto this site.

  • Red Rupert

    r-i-g-h-t. L’arse fan. They still think they are United’s rivals. How about revealing how many pens his team have been given over the past 15/10/5 years compared to United. He won’t because he knows that there’s a national inquiry every time United get one. L’arse and Liverpool have had twice the amount that United have been given. This is United’s best season in living memory for penalties given. Don’t take my word for it or even quibble. Just check the facts.

  • Giddy

    In England, M-united will still dominate coz of who is who in the corridors of power, but i see them very dissappointing in Europe. Look at what happened last night to believe what am saying. The current united team is not good enough and while still at it, look no further than their game at Chelsea when the ref awarded a very dubious penalty to bring united back to the game.

  • Stevie E

    Red Rupert
    It’s your argument, why don’t you present the facts?

  • Knysnagunner

    Same old, same old. I expect the bias from the men in black will be even stronger now that manure are out of all other competitions. City to feel the brunt of it as the most likely threat.

  • Mahdain

    while watching this i was thinking just how bad probert was but turns out he was not just bad but shocking…seeing probert refereeing gave me a clue on where his loyalty lies but this just confirms it..i guess he is now officially in the running to succeed riley and i wont be suprised to see him starting to get big matches soon i.e the ones reserved to dean,dowd and webb

  • Kentetsu

    Decided to watch this match to see how the ref would fare at OT. Totally agree with the review, the match was tilted in MU’s favour. 100% of the wrong decisions for West Brom? You cannot speak of ref ineptitude, the writing’s on the wall.
    Other than those couple of moments were the ref incensed me by showing his allegiance, the match was a boring affair.

  • simon

    WBA Fan here. Its just so dammed frustrating for us smaller clubs. It’s a pattern that we first noticed some 10 years now and are used to it. It’s the 55- 45 rule on decisions, just enough to influence the game but not so blindly obvious to attract enquiries. There is only doubt , and unfairness. Is there corruption in our game ? no never !!, is there ?

  • gooner gun

    Sporting beat MU. Unlike the epl,there was no English ref.As Desailly the former Chelsea defender said,the epl is becoming a monoply which is bad for the game.
    That is why bI fervently hope MC win the title otherwise the epl will become uncompetitive like in Sctland where Ranger and celtic will always win the title. Same with Spain and Holland.I am all for UEFA”s FFP. i just hope they have the guts to punish teams whic h cannot comply.
    As for SAF,his dream of dominance in Europe will stay that way until English refs officiate Mu matches.

  • Gunner4evr

    The crown jewel is untouchable at OT. Recall the Gunners 50th game of 04-05.Reyes was kicked all over the park. The balding eagle did not take action until late in the game when Reyes was no more dangerous.
    Campbell stuck his foot on the ugly British Bulldog. The bald eagle awarded the spot kick in a flash even though it was outside the box.
    If fans care they can easily compile abook about the refs whose decisions are weighted if favour of RF UTD.Thankfully in the cl,there are no bald eagles and why the RF is finding it tough to lord it in Europe.

  • Kentetsu

    @gooner gun:

    In the past four years there have been four different champions in the Dutch league. Right now, the top five is within five points of each other. Not really a two horse race, is it?

  • @simon – thank’s for you comment and I understand exactly what you mean when you say matches can be weighted 55/45 in favour of a particular team… I’m glad that others notice this – you deserved something from the match but it all degenerated into a farce with MOTD choosing to focus on tv camera footage panning from Rooney’s shouty mug to the bescafed and hatted mugs in the Stretford end honestly believing that their team was where it was on merit alone… where are the contentious decisions that actually decided the outcome and is it in their contract not to show them and critique?

  • Mandy Dodd

    Unbelievable, but so predictable. Probert is an ambitious young ref who knows how to get on in this league. I am sure they all see Riley and his behaviour as the gold standard for getting on in the PGMOL.
    Simon is so correct. 55/45 is very hard to defeat, especially somewhere like OT. 55/45 wins titles over a season.
    Wonder if it will all be the same when Fergie goes?

  • Shard


    Maybe it’s because I am already on the lookout for it, but I only saw the MOTD highlights of this match and I drew the conclusion that ManU were being helped to the title..again.. which was no surprise. But I did the say the only surprise was that I could form that opinion of this match on the basis of MOTD. Of course, I’m not saying the MOTD have reformed. Maybe it just means that the decisions were so poor that even they couldn’t obscure that.

  • bob

    As predicted on day one of this season, we now have the soundtrack (solemn, elegaic, gladiatorial) for the exalted gathering march to Rednose XX: “You do these Ref reviews and you see some harsh truths. I have done a few games at OT now and what I see is that they will probably end up being crowned champions again. They are a very good team, full of talent, desire and ambition. But are they the best team in the league, are they worthy champions. Sadly we will never know, this is because the assistance they get from Referees makes it impossible to form a clear opinion, it certainly tilts results.” All the contrary evidence will be airbrushed from history by the selecttive Sky “replays” and non-replays that erase just as they show along with their MOTD echo-chamber that tells us either you didn’t see what you saw or that you never saw it because we didn’t cover it and, so it doesn’t matter anyway. Wayne Rooney, the former Divemaster eclipsed only by Suarez now, remains the EPL poster boy with his leash-master, Don Fergus of the North. The evidence to the contrary is only to be found in the visuals that people can muster into a counter-package and, with a final Ref Review of ManUre’s games, etc., present a counter-history to the official coronation of Lord Football. So let it be written, so let it be seen. Counter-package anyone?

  • bob

    p.s. In addition, trumpeting the Arsenal’s turnaround against all odds and opposition and third-place finish as the real story of this otherwise dreary and predictable top of the table soap opera could become the real sleeper “hit” of the season. Let’s win it in the hearts and minds of our fanbase and make it more general, the story of this season. Yes, it will reign on Lord Football’s parade.

  • Franco

    This will continue to haunt England as the national team, because referees think by helping MU to win games they are helping England to win. Mind you a player(Rooney)used to favors in at MU has a spoiled approach to football. Look at how many goals Rooney scored in the last World Cup finals (ZERO not penalties sorry. Wait for the coming EURO Cup. England will be taught some lessons that its refs never learn. Stop the nonsense you stupid British refs.

  • Mandy dodd

    What a surprise the Cl draw throws up, the Spanish giants and host for the final kept apart.
    Interestingly, if we had defeated Milan, would have been barca again!

  • Mahdain

    @mandy when i saw that draw there was a tiny bit of me happy that we didnt go through..not that we cant beat barca oh yes we can but we wouldnt and you know why?we would have used a lot of energy and work really hard only to lose thanks to a Bussaca moment…

  • Gooner

    Love these pieces!

    It’s about time somebody rated the refs and showed them up for what they are – biased cheats (either subconsiously or paid).

    Hopefully as this series continues there can be enough evidence gathered to really put pressure on the FA to clean up our game.

    I’ve long been of the opinion that 50% of United titles were given to them off the back of poor / bent refereeing.

    I spend £1000 on my season ticket and it kills me that the game is blatantly not played on a level playing field.

  • Gord

    Some news out of Scotland: Disillusioned Steve Conroy has quit as a top-class referee in Scotland.

    He is a doctor by profession. Which probably keeps him busy enough all by itself.

  • Gunner4evr

    I am in complete with Gooner 50 % of the titles won were because of poor/bent referreeing decisions. Of course no one can prove 100% but it’s blatantly obvious.
    Thats why because of the Rangers/Celtic duoply,Scotland are now a second rate if not third rate football power. England could soon be dumped tegether with teams like Wales,Ireland,eire,Crotia,etc.

  • Micko

    Ha, ha, Red Rupert !
    I remember that Manu fan from the football 365 mailbox a few years ago. He used to write in talking b0ll0cks using several different monikers. You could tell by his writing style and his spelling.
    Untold will probably start getting ‘untold’ attention from him now.

  • ak47

    just wanna say thanx. you present the microcosm that should be coupled with this world. we wouldnt need an economy if true.

  • ak47

    oh yeah, huge surprise mandy. huge.

    arsenal the film would be the longest, most exhilarating, emotional, informative rollercoaster of a badass movie.

    and has park really got out of pawn murderer duty?

  • Tasos

    Another honest, insightful review.

    Old Trafford, the home of the perverse refereeing display. One non-given penalty, one sending off, both decisions, amongst others, going in the favour of The Premier League’s figurehead team. How very predictable the EPL has become.

    In a season which has seen Man Utd humiliated in Europe by mere footballing minnows, domestically they continue to do what they want, domestically they are being guided towards another league title.

    There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

  • bob

    Red Rupert,
    So, you prove the point, lil’ Dim, you of The Chosen Ones: you see, those who don’t get penalties when they should have them called, (well, I know it’s tough for you, but jeez…) they would show fewer penalties in total than those who do get penalties called when they should not be penalized. Now do consider yourself having had your first ever math lesson.
    Ok, now try to decode what it means when the story of a third-place turnaround by a resurrected team formerly left for dead becomes the story of the season, the one which you were pre-destined to win. You will get to worship at Lord Football’s shrine during the Rednose XX Coronation, as we all knew would happen and are seeing unfold; while, li’l Dim, I assure you that the life, pulse and heart of the party will be what Arsenal will have done against all the odds. That’s a story to remember, for the hearts and minds. Yours is all sound and fury signifying nothing.

  • Tasos

    Sunday March 18th

    Wolves V Man Utd

    Ref; Anthony Taylor

    Born; Wythenshawe, MANCHESTER, England

    Good work Mr Riley

  • bob

    Now, now, Tasos:
    MANCHESTER was the home of the Satanic Mills that devoured women and children and hardworking men back in the daze that launched and crowned the industrial devolution. Have ye no respekt for place and time? 🙂

  • bob

    I hope that their final ten games are scrutinized in the RefReviews and re-capped for a climactic Coronation Edition to accompany that Blessed Day when a certain pair of claws grasp The Holey Pail and leave their mark “XX” on the silverware. Perhaps a link to a video of His Season’s XX greatest hits and “non-hits” could complement the RefReviews?

  • bob

    Anthony Taylor has been present at some of the pitch-crime-scenes against us over which The Dean presided. Now it’s Taylor’s big chance to become a part of football history (the Rednose XX); as he is being groomed for better things to come via the Hives of Riley. The Big Audition, Mr. Taylor, a service to your makers.

  • Mahdain

    @bob @tasos guess who the 4th official is? Ofcourse Webbmaster…

  • Mahdain

    @bob yeah this is taylor’s big guessing he’ll want to pass with flying colours just like what mr probert did..they all want to be a part of the coronation party

  • Yommex

    The bent nature of the epl that cannot be reproduced in Europe is what made the epl chairman Dave Richards utter such statements like he did in Doha during the week claiming that football has been taken away from the English people. It is a shame that people like him cannot see the fact that the game is no longer run the way it should be in England anymore where a particular side is highly favoured over and above the rest.
    It is farcical that Wayne Rooney has not been given a yellow card in 23 epl matches this season (laughable) which I think is going to be a transformation worthy of a place in the Guiness Book of Records from a 3 red card, 10 yellow cards per season player to one with no single yellow card throughout the entire season.
    Also, despite Arsenal been the most attack minded side in the epl they have been awarded only 2 (TWO) penalty kicks this season while Manchester United has been given, wait for it, 9 (NINE!). Recall the fixture against Arsenal last season when Nemanja Vidic clearly handled a cross from Sagna I think right in the full glare of both the referee and his assistant, there was no obstruction whatsoever and nothing was given while they will easily conjure up a PK against other sides. The truth of the matter is that a team can seldom go through a 90 minutes game without committing an offence worthy of a PK unless there is no corner kick or free kick and the opponent never got into the box.

  • WalterBroeckx

    keep in touch with this site I would say as I will try to write a few things about the refs that will include some “interesting” numbers about WBA and the refs that we have noticed so far this season.

  • Tasos

    @bob @Mahdain

    Do not forget Anthony Taylor has already pledged his allegiance to Lord Rednose.

    Arsenal 0-0 Sunderland, Saturday, March 05, 2011.

  • bob

    Yes, while the 4th official (Webbmaster) weaves the cloth, the referee (The Tailor!) has it all sewed up. Each one a peddler of EPL-brand damaged goods.

  • WalterBroeckx

    “Great” link Tasos….