Win, Lose or Draw.

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1. Eduardo was scoring goals and was deliberately chopped down.
   On top of that the ref gave Birmingham an inexplicable penalty to draw the game. Birmingham was managed by one Mc Cleish,a former hatched man of red faced at Aberdeen.
   I don’t know followin the Eduardo injury,the team went to self destruct despite having a lead of 8points.
   Justice was done when Blues were relegated that seasom.

2. we should have won it in 2007/08 but a mixture of poor challenges and subsequent severe damage to the ankle of our in form central striker,coupled with the usual crap refeering decisions and one of the worst keepers I have seen in goal for The Arsenal,did for us.

3. Malaysian gunner,
   after the Birmingham game the other refs followed what Dean had started. Goals were disallowed for offside when a back pass was made by a defender was another howler from a ref.

   It was the season when Wenger said (something like this): “I’m not blind. I know what I see.” when talking about strange ref decisions. That season the title was stolen from us by the strangest referee decisions.

   It wasn’t the team that went in self destruction mode. There were outside factors

4. I agree with Walter,even the Birmingham game,where the useless lumux Taylor ruined Eduardo’s ankle,after taking his cue from the xenophobic media,we were still robbed by a late penaly,given against Clichy for a non existent foul.

5. And seconds before the penalty given to Birmingham, Dean closed his eyes when a Birmingham defender pulled the shorts of Adebayor to an unbelievable length when Adebayor was running towards a blocked ball in the Birmingham penalty area. That was the clearest penalty of the day (on MOTD even Hansen said he couldn’t believe that not been given).

6. …to then have your Manager ridiculed for being a “whingeing Frenchman”,by the gutter press,made you even the more angry.I definately agree that if an unseen directive to drop refs from Manchester United’s games,goes out from the hierachy,it is therfore conceivable that a directive to turn blind eyes etc goes out for us.The people who don’t think it could happen here need to wake up and smell the coffee.

7. We came short 4 points to win the league in 2007/2008. Just those 2 decisions I mentioned would have given us the title.

8. May be we’ll win the CL, you never know!

9. I remember that match well. First things first clichy’s’ foul was a stonewall penalty anyday. 2ndly, eduardo was not the in-form striker u guys are making him out to be. These are his stats from that season; league – 14starts 4subs 4goals 5assists; fa cup -2starts 1sub 1goal 1assist; champ lg 4starts 3subs 3goals nil assist.. Doesnt sound like stats of a world beating striker.
   The rest of your complains i guess should be viewed in perspective after these.

10. UK…Wayne Rooney’s dive that robbed us of our unbeaten run(amongst other decisions) was classed as a “stone wall” penalty by SKY so I will reserve judgement.One can’t change history,altho some will try to re write it.Eduardo was a great player,scoring 3 CL goals in 4 starts that season and could well have helped us lift the title that year…until someone broke his ankle.Incidently,Arsenal had 3 players suffer broken bones in their legs in the space of 4 years(I need to check my figures here),from rubbish challenges…is that a record for a club?Diaby,Ramsey and Eduardo.

11. uk,
    and what about the stonewall penalty against Adebayor on the Birmingham game that was not given seconds before Dean gave them their penalty?

    Ah that doesn’t suit your agenda I think.

12. eddy,
    you forgot Gibbs with a broken foot that could have cost him his career. It happened in the extra time of a game so was not really highlighted and he walked off the pitch on his own.

13. I would not want to agree that a single match took away the league when the whole season has a tally of 38. The team itself went on a free fall not the referee, although Dean might have played his part. What happened to the other matches?
    Face the true picture, the Arsenal side has never got the balls since then to win the league. The so called to team captain was a joke.
    Arsenal will only go back to the glory days when Wenger starts to buy the right players with the right attitudes and stop giving some untested lads to learn their trade in the first team.

14. Oluwayomi,

    it was a number of games in which referees made strange decisions in that season.

    And maybe since Wenger stopped giving untested lads chances and started to buy more proven players that things went wrong?

15. Nasri & Fabregas also had leg break injuries too (Nasri’s was in pre-season, but was unavailable for around 3 months). Think Adebayor got done at Stoke away too. Also, Sagna had not one but two leg breaks last season.

16. @eddy
    3 cl goals in 7matches played, i’m sure one of those goals he scored as a sub. And if i remember well one of those was outside the competition proper(in a 3-0 win over olympiakos in the qualifier). Even in the league, 2 of those 4goals came in one match (against everton), meaning he scored 2 in the remaining 17( against westham nd mancity). Who you term great is your prerogative. I’m sure bendtner has better stats, he is great to some. I just wanted the other readers to get the right perspective. So if you call a player great, they know what you mean

17. @walter
    I’m sorry there was no missed penalty against ade(let alone stonewall). Like i said, everything you say on the matter has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Its like your trying to soften koscielny’s foul against dzeko, it doesn’t convince anyone other than the AKBs

18. Uk-example for you of very strange refeering;
    Arsenal play Tottenham at home,are 2-0 up and Fabrigas jumps in the wall with his arrm raised,penalty given.Tottenham come back to win the game 3-2
    The next match we play Wigan away,their forward dribbles towards the area,falls under a 50/50 soft challenge 2 yards outside the area…referee gives a penalty!no questions are ever asked in the media about the reason a penalty was given for a dubious foul,committed a long way outside the area.
    However to compond matters,an identical incident to the Fabrigas one at home to Tottenham,where a Wigan player jumps with his arm raised is compltely ignored.3 match changing decisions go against us in 2 games…don’t make me quote anymore as this blog carries the stats,that’s what it’s here for.

19. WBA away match has not been played! You counted a win, I wish it could be so, but…

20. Two things make my blood boil; the robbery at OT in the 50th game of our unbeaten run, and the 2007/08 season events starting with the Birmingham game. It still hurts as if it happened yesterday,and to read comments from some t**ts here just makes it worse. Anyone with eyes – and something between their ears – could see those were daylight robberies. I know at the end of the day everyone has their opinion, but no trolling please. This blog is very tolerant to anyone expressing divergent views but some individuals abuse that winding people up by constantly choosing to be on the other side of the fence. If they are wired in such a way that they will always see things from spuds/mancs points of view why not piss off to those respective fans’ blogs then. Or just start supporting those two clubs? Sure they will be more than welcome there.

21. fair Uk. If you don’t believe me.
    Where did I soften the Koscielny sending off? Prove what you say.

    And Uk, it was not me who said it was a stonewall penalty on Adebayor. It was Hansen in MOTD who said so. Even they brought it up. As I couldn’t see the game at the time as I had my own game to referee. I even know on which field. I even know the teams of that day. As it was a day I shall never forget. It was on the same date that some 25 years earlier my career was ended by a likewise tackle and a likewise injury. Fortunately my skin didn’t tear.

    And by the way if I find the time I will give you picture evidence of the ‘non existing stonewall penalty” by your claims. Because when I say something I usually have proof.

22. UK,
    so you don’t believe me.
    Fine.
    I got news for you.
    I got images of the according to you non existing penalty on Adebayor in the Birmingham game.

    Just click on this link.

    http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/11088

    I think you now have two options. Or more. But I will give you what an honourable man would do: you would apologise to me and say that I was right.

    Or you could still ignore the truth. But then we all know that your opinion is based on your own thoughts and nothing more than that.

    While the things I say are based on evidence in images.

    Somehow I am starting to get the feeling that one of these days you true colours will be visible. Just as it did with jayjay the other day.

23. Eddy,
    in that same Wigan game the ref (Probert) refused to give a penalty in favour of Arsenal when a Wigan defender jumped like Fabregas in the wall with his arm raised above his head and diverted the ball in a corner.

    Of course Uk will tell us that you have to take this with a pinch of salt. If I have more time I maybe even will have a picture of it on my computer also 😉

    But to be honest I’m not willing to lose my time on people who want to remain blind for those things. Or on people who say that I am a liar.

24. @Al

    and what boils me even more that every supporter is biased to his team except for those t**t u mentioned, unbelievable, u cant argue a man unt fan that nani red was correct no matter how obvious it is, but u can argue an arsenal fan and he will believe u , about a stonewall pen. not given foe arsenal, wow…..
    when u hear on it tv the bayern munich chanting in the emirates and u see our fans, even b4 the goal we conceded watching football as a movie, u know we r going 2 lose, shame…..
    yes we need a change, first begin with those so called fans, bring back the highbury fans, bring back the championsleague final fan, or simply clone the away fans they are awesome…..

25. @walter,

    don’t argue them, they are brainwashed by the media, dont waste your time.
    they are becoming the media last weapon to destroy arsenal after all they tried before, referee, deliberate , injuries , now they are winning it through our own fans, but they know not that the man they say is delusioned wont fall that easy,….
    we hit the bottom of the bottle i believe and we are going back, just believe, do your job as a supporter and scream with all yr voice high all game long, then come blame others for not doing their job.

26. @walter,
    First i neva said ade’s shorts wasnt pulled, i said it wasnt a penalty, let alone a stonewall penalty. what constitutes a penalty is left for subjective interpretation, ade’s shorts been pulled isnt grounds for a penalty, the referee has to decide wether his shorts being pulled sufficiently impeded him, it doesnt matter if ade decides to collapse. That incident only shows ade’s shorts was pulled, and dean and i agree that was no reason for ade to go down
    @eddy,
    I dont remember the wigan game, but what i can say about the spurs game is, fab committed the foul, we got punished for it.
    I hav seen occasions where arsenal has been on the recieving end of such favorable decisions too (dudu’s and cazorla’s dives, gallas almost destroying that bolton player’s career in 2009/10)

27. Walter,that’s the benefit of the huge amount of research this site clearly puts into the invaluable data that is there for all to see.I am pretty sure that if UK saw a replay of the footage of the Clichy penalty decision in the last minute,he would struggle to refer to it as a stonewall penalty anymore.What really gets to me is the lazy acceptance of garbage decisions,by not only non Arsenal fans but a large percentage of the fan base don’t want to seem to address what is going on in front of their faces;Sol was banned for 3 matches at the most vital part of the season,when Solshscar went down feigning injury to his face…we then went to Bolton and after taking a 2 goal lead,were kicked to pieces and had to make 3 subs and drew the game 2-2.The resulting reports were of a soft Arsenal that didn’t like it up ’em…I saw events a little differently.Freddie Lundberg needed an op after his mauling for which the Bolton player escaped again.
    I don’t always agree with this sites views but am very grateful for it’s ability to recall and produce the injustices we have suffered at the hands of Riley and Sons over the years

28. uk,
    if I would put your nose in your own shit you would say it isn’t shit.

    Problem is Eddy by not proving him wrong he can indoctrinate other people and after a while his “truth” becomes unchallenged.

29. The disgusting UK media including sky sports are really putting themselves about today, what really boils my blood is the xenophobic racist witch hunt of this poor ref after he rightfully sent off Nani.

30. *@uk, it was not me who said it was a stonewall penalty on ade, but alan hansen on MOTD* walter
    If you wanna quote hansen on ade’s matter, just do so. But if you are expressing your thoughts on the matter and only quoting hansen for corroboration, be brave enough to own up. I respect hansen’s views, but on that short pulling on ade? I’m with dean

31. Dan compare that reaction to the one where darling Wayne dives;either completely overlooked or we are told that he “earned a penalty”..most uneducated people rely on SKY etc for their opinions,which is on a par with the revolting Mail for it’s xenophobic views.

32. @eddy
    I hav video highlights of dat game in my laptop from the year it happened, so i can watch d’replay of clicy’s penalty, whenever, wherever

33. @walter
    Maybe. But i’m almost certain if i put your face in wengers shit, you wouldn’t only revel in it, you’d ask for more

34. Truly disgusting, the sheer hypocrisy and arrogance expressed here is revolting. I’m amazed how the media are sharpening their knives, one would think this poor man must of insulted the whole British establishment, then again, may be he has, hasn’t he read the script by which all must adhere once inside the Old Toilet.

35. @uk

    really, goddamned really, are u joking me, what are u trying to prove man, just admit it at least this time, what kind of an arsenal fan are you, walter is totally right when he call you an ASSociation, unbelievable

36. Dan-it starts with the revolting,jowly,Red Clive Tylsdley with his commentary which resembles a spoilt fat kid screaming that for once he can’t have everything his own way.It then moves into the studio where A.Childs and Southgate were prepared to carry on the theme only to be halted in their tracks by the angry/bitter Roy Kean…but don’t worry armchair MUFC fans…it continues again via every media outlet they have who goes into overdrive and treats the whole situation as the biggest injustice since…..oh RVP’s 2nd yellow in The Camp Nou,which took us down to 10 men when we were ahead on goal difference…funny,there wasn’t the same outpouring of grief there…or when Eboue was sent off at old Toilet for a similar challenge in 2010…whether it was a red card or not,imagine having that kind of media protection.Thank God that MUFC can’t exert the same pressure on The European refs as they would have won it 12 times by now.

37. Next thing UK will say is that when a defender makes a back pass and Adebayor scores from it is is actually offside. Happened in the Middlesbrough game.

38. That 2007/8 season and what happened towards the end of the season did it kill something inside Wenger. Looking back with a huge slice of hindsight that can be afforded with the passing of time has Wenger been the same since. Is he the same articulate man, is he the same manager or did those events change his outlook towards they way Arsenal play football on the pitch. Do Arsenal play with as much pace now?

39. We didn’t get a penalty at home in the Premiership last season..imagine if that was MUFC,the Commons would have a debate on the subject

40. Thanks for tyring Walter, but this guy, uk or whatever his name is, is clearly not an Arsenal fan. He’s a spud or some lowlife here to wind us up. He’s lucky I dont moderate on this blog or none of the crap he comes out with would never see the light of day. I think lets blank him, he’s clearly getting a kick out of this.

41. I take my hat off to Keano, never liked him when he was at utd but he is not scraed to speak his mind. He is the only person in the mainstreeam media to have called that foul for what it was, a red card. Intent or no intent, that was a dangerous tackle. Can anyone imagine if nani himself had been on the receiving end of that tackle. Or how fungusbum reacted when rvp was hit by a ball, yes a ball and not a boot, in the neck/head area. Its karma for them.

42. @yassin… Yaaawwnnnnn!
    @walter,
    Since we are playing the “predict what he’l say next” game, i predict the next thing you’l say is that the press even made wenger violate his touchline ban, by openly communicating with the bench

43. @al,
    Uuuuuuh, i’m so scaaaared!

44. Sad to study these in conjunction with some of the league tables. Of course 2008 was well within reach, but consider also that Arsenal would have won the title in 2010 had they won home matches with MU and Chelsea and won instead of drawn at 17th place WH and relegated Burnley.

    To have any chance for the league you at least have to break even with the better clubs, but Arsenal now are far short of that and likely to remain so.

    Last four years against the top four clubs, 8-5-18 for 29 points. Assuming a future loss or draw at OT, a win rate of 25%.

    Then see the two seasons prior to that, 7-6-3 for 27 points, almost the yield of last four.

45. @walter
    Maybe. But i’m almost certain if i put your face in wengers shit, you wouldn’t only revel in it, you’d ask for more
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    C’mon how much longer have we got to put up with this? Threatening and abusive behavior like this wouldn’t be tolerated in public, in fact he would probably be facing criminal charges if he threatened a person like that in public.

46. UK
    Eduardo was our most promising emerging talent. This talent was ruined by the Birmingham game.

    It’s a perfect example of the factors against us which are beyond our control and one that other teams don’t have to deal with.

47. Adam,
    don’t worry.

48. I feel responsible for uk. I recently discovered that he’s taken a hit to the head and I haven’t done enough to help. Clearly he’s only been getting worse so please be nice guys, just nod in agreement. We’ll keep the bad man wenger away from you uk don’t worry, everything will be ok..

49. Tony , Walter ,et al , can’t we all vote to kick out jerks off this site .It would be easier(and faster)to read and enjoy the fine posts and it would probably smell better too !

50. Can we discuss problems in the current squad instead of what might have been 5 years ago ? Regarding refereeing decisions the most likely explanation to many of these incidents is either different interpretations by different refs or a ref that didn’t see the incident clearly. I do agree that it has seemed like Arsenal were usually on the sharp end of some bad decisions in recent seasons though and Untold has shown some evidence of this. I don’t think that has happenned as much this season though, I just think the squad is paper-thin and there is no 30-goal-a-season man. Walcott is the closest but too inconsistent. Put Van Persie, Cavani, Benzema, Mario Lopez or Falcao in this team and avoid injuries, then you have a team which can win trophies. The supporting cast is already there. None of those particular players will be available though.

51. Sorry I meant Mario Gomez and I forgot Suarez.

52. uk,

    Why don’t you post a picture of you in the manure shirt so we all know you’re true to yourself? I guess it’s only because it has too much shit on it.

53. Charlie
    You will find its near impossible to ignore what happened 5 years ago as it shaped our destiny. For instance, Wenger seems to have ‘abandoned’ his policy of buying unknowns & polishing them into gems as he’s been buying the finished product(Podolski, Carzola,Giroud,Per,Arteta,etc). This might be because he felt his youngsters were not being given any chance by being targeted for some bad kicking as well as not being offered any protection by refs. This slight change in philosophy from the manager, if we may call it that, could explain why its taking longer for the new players to adapt to the Arsenal way of play; a 19yr old will adapt quicker to new methods than say a 27yr old. We don’t necessarily need a 30goal a season poacher to win stuff; utd has been winning the title over the yrs with their highest scorer just about managing double figures.20 goals is fine, if these can be shared between 3 or 4 players . We had Ade hit over 30 one season & Rvp too but didn’t win nothing. Meanwhile both times teams with 20 goal strikers were winning. This year we should have 3 players doing that, Walcott, Giroud & Podolski.

    Just a reminder about your statement that we haven’t been shafted this season by refs, two games spring to mind; chelsea & city both at our own turf. One might want to argue at OT too. That’s easily 6-7 points that could’ve been in the bag, and more often that’s the difference at the end of the season.

54. tell you what, Arsenal didn’t receive quite that much wrong decisions yet from the refs simply because Arsenal isn’t a threat to the other so called established title contenders this season. I’ll bet you they’ll come IF somehow Arsenal manages to climb back up to to third or fourth and threaten again the Manu ManC , the Spuds, etc.etc.
    One final forecast, we’ll draw with Manu at home if we’re already 5th without a chance of catching up to 4th, of course, RVP would be sidelined as well.

55. @Al, really, you think Podolski, Giroud and Walcott will all score twenty goals this season? Can’t see it myself as they’d need to score 30 goals in the remaining fixtures which seems not only unlikely but impossible. I reckon you could get 10,000 to 1 on that happening.

    As to the refs shafting us, well we were played off the park in at least two of those games. We were utterly shocking at Manu and were lucky not to concede twice as many. And we were asleep against City for the first half and rightly had a player sent off.

    Six or seven points is the difference in what, finishing fourth? I thought our prime target was to win the league. That’s Wenger’s target every year.

    We used to be a great team and that maybe down to the fact that we used to play fast incisive football. Now for some reason we have been adopting this ponderous possession football which lacks a cutting edge. Wenger got obsessed with smaller and less bulky players, in awe it seems of Barca, and exactly where has that got us. We don’t have the calibre of player to play that way, and as I’ve said before, we don’t pressurize the opposition when we don’t have the ball. If we don’t sort out the mistakes we’re repeating game after game there’ll be no CL next year and even fewer good players will be interested in joining us.

56. Arsene needs options. Arsenal don’t have a squad this season, it is more like 4 or 5 star players trying to carry the rest. Failure to qualify for the UCL would leave us really no better off than 15 years ago. The 30m in lost TV money is roughly equal to the difference in match revenue between Chelsea (40k seat stadium) and Arsenal (60k seat stadium). Add to that the inherent unfairness of Financial Fair Play, namely that the rich stay rich, and Arsenal will struggle to recover.

57. I really wonder what most so called fans smoke,if players can go to teams like QPR,SWASEA and those who have no dreams of playing in Euro ever why not a fourth placed Arsenal team? Im waiting to a moron to bet if arsenal wont be in the champions league next season i have found none

58. Rupert,
    Walcott is on 18, Giroud 14, Podolski 13, and you say 20 is impossible? Let’s have this conversation again in May

59. Well I checked the stats and they were wrong it seems or maybe they were just goals scored in the EPL. Anyway my oversight. That still means they’d have to score 15 goals between them. I can see Walcott exceeding 20 but I doubt Podolski and Giroud will both reach that target. I hope they do because that should mean we’ll get close to maximum points in our final games.

60. We lost the Birmingham game because at 2-1 Adebayo refused to pass to Bendtner.
    When are we going to stop blaming Refs for our failure? If we did not win it because of refs in 2007/2008, why have we not won it till now?

61. Well my dear asd if I would know that I would be manager of Arsenal.
    I don’t have all the answers. Do you? If so: what are you wasting your time over here. Go to Arsenal and do it.

    Or you could write an article. And tell me how you would do it. And tell us how you would pay for it.

62. asd
    It may have escaped your attention that we still have refs.