Arsenal v Hull The Match Officials. “His knowledge of the rules is excellent as is his imagination in applying them”

26 Replies to “Arsenal v Hull The Match Officials. “His knowledge of the rules is excellent as is his imagination in applying them””

1. Mike Dean – rotten to the core, and if true, the referee for the NLD. God help us!

2. Interesting article in Metro stating that Arsenal would’ve been top of the league if video replays were in use.

   It states that Arsenal would be on same no of points as now though, whereas other teams would lose points. Don’t fully agree as I can recall atleast one offside given wrongly against Ramsey’s goal against Liverpool at home which cost us 2 points.

   http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/19/stats-show-arsenal-would-top-premier-league-if-video-replays-were-in-use-5706207/

3. i suspect he will favour Arsenal, that way he will be allowed to do the NLD and say, but yes, I gave you a penalty in the cup match and it all evens out in the end !

4. Sam,
   I reckon that video refereeing would have earned us quite a few of the 17 points in my table of shame. 72 wrong Important decisions against us so far this season. The Important Decisions being sendings off (second yellows or straight reds) penalties and goals. 22 penalties and 8 wrong goal decisions!
   The Metro’s standard of journalism is so poor that if they said we have four fingers and a thumb on each hand I would count them.

5. Good, interesting stuff ,as ever, Andrew.

   I think it’s more likely he’ll play it safe on the weekend. A really bad show will make things hard, even for Riley, to utilise Dean in our remaining league games.

   That’s surely the bigger picture. We still have three games left against City, Spurs, Utd, Chelsea, and Atkinson and dean have done 26 of our 53 games against them since the start of 2009-10.

   Atkinson has never done a Utd game in that time, so chances are that one will go to Taylor for a doubler. Who the hell else does he trust? Clattenberg to redeem himself? Moss might have played himself into contention at Southampton but Taylor has to be favourite.

   Spurs and City meanwhile will probably go with the Dean/ Atkinson form book. I’d be surprised if that is jeopardised this weekend. I doubt he’ll be able to resist letting some fouls go, maybe even a pen, but the strategic move is surely to behave.

   The killer stuff, and the chance for revenge, if your thinking is warped, will be saved for when it is really needed and really counts.

6. Mike Dean.

   A being that made me hate football after that absolutely awful performance at Stamford Bridge. It wasn’t a robbery, it was a cynical crime against “footballity”, an example how you can prepare whole summer and work hard to reach your goals and yet end up on the losing side because a scoundrel was given a right to make big decisions WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES.

   I really felt empty inside after the game. For the first time in my life football made no sense to me. Grenades were falling around my house but that didn’t stop me from spending batteries from our radio only to listen a friendly match Croatia v Argentina. But, what grenades couldn’t do, a predator with a whistle did.

   The fact he still has his job is a shocker. Then again, he will replace Riley unless a Calciopoli takes place.

   I don’t expect him to harm us against Hull though. We are too strong for them and Dean won’t have neither time nor space to make troubles.

7. Giving Dean this match is designed by PIGMOB to present him with the opportunity to referee a game properly. This in turn is desingned to undermine our evidence led assertion that the man is corrupt and should not be allowed to referee our games. As a result he will be given at least one of our remaining big league games this season in order to knock us out. Can 100,000 + people really be wrong? Of course, when they are up against PIGMOB.
   Calciopoli is alive and well and living in English football.

8. @ ClockEndRider

   I 100% agree. Riley may be a close relative of Lucifer but he is not as stupid as one might think.

9. When an official wants to tilt the game in favour of one team or against another, it is supremely simple. I am sure Walter can attest to that;

   1)Permit rotational fouling against one team,especially the minor,niggling fouling (ankle taps, trips,pushes, holding shirts, obstruction, etc.),
   2)Ignore serious foul play and reckless,dangerous fouls against one team, but be sure to award every tiny minor niggling foul to their opponents,
   3)Award a dubious free kick very near the penalty area or a very iffy penalty against one team,
   4)Ignore an offside or a throw-in (harder to do) or a hand ball that advantages one team and that can lead to a clear goal-scoring opportunity for the favoured team,
   5)Allow advantage where there is none or stop play where there is a clear goal-scoring advantage,
   6)Fail to verbally warn or caution a player who commits repeated infractions and most certainly never use the second caution against him, IF he is playing for the favoured team,
   7)Permit play to be delayed continuously by the favoured team If they are leading or tied but ensure that stoppage time is doubled for that same team IF they are losing,
   8)Become very creative in the application of the Laws when the favoured team has the ball but extremely catholic when their adversaries are in possession.

   I could go on for hours but you get the idea…..basically Game 49 Riley style officiating, which style I shall from now on refer to as Riley 49.

10. It is an abortion after a rape. The FA know that over 100,000 fans said NO to Dean officiating an Arsenal game. This cheat has robbed us of at least 3 points by cheating (CFCvAFC)& the FA have the gall to appoint him again. Make no mistake it is the FA that appoint officials through their chosen cheats the PGMO. The FA will not take any criticism over officiating & refer complaints to the PGMO who are totally outside sport. The Metropolitan Police are sleeping while a group of corrupt individuals are raping sport of all its dignity.

    Untold Arsenal are the only forum I know of that has highlighted the cheating calling it bias & incompetence.

    I call it as I see it. A total abuse of authority in a sporting environment without any accountability. It will be brought up in the Commons if I have to sweat blood.

11. Omg,
    As ever, you Walter and I are on the same page. You and Walter with your professional knowledge, me by recognising what I see. It was this issue that drew me to Untold five or so years ago as no other site could explain what I was seeing.

12. omgarsenal – please do not use Riley to name anything. Call it Pgmo49. It was this Satanic organisation that spawned these evil destroyers of sport. They are parented by those in the FA. The whole lot are supported by the media.

13. I can’t wait till tomorrow despite Dean and hope the boys hit top form.
    I watched this compilation of Arsenal skill moments from the past couple of months to put me in the mood and recommend you all do the same….

    https://youtu.be/8bSEh0GNQfA

14. Josif,

    Not sure you were around when the Game 50 took place. Dean has a master to learn from. To me that game is the pure expression of disdain and represents the standard for corruption. By this measure, the Chelsea game was merely us against a bunch of crybabies. Sorry to bring back these painful memories, fingers crossed one day we get redemption. And, as every mishap has a positive somewhere, maybe we can take a page from FDR’s book and call these events “days of infamy”, to reinforce our strength and unity in the face of disaster.

15. This stuff goes back to Dunn, Poll, Durkin and the like. They must discuss the ways and means surely. Don’t rule out our old mate Alex still having the odd slap up dinner with the boys and passing on suggestions either.

16. Dean is a garbage referee yep, but maybe our teams pre 2007 were better than the teams post 2007. Just saying.

17. @Florian,

    My first Arsenal game was the return Supercup leg vs AC Milan. I’ve seen us losing four matches worth of four different European trophies (Milan, Zaragoza, Galatasaray, Barcelona). I’ve been around for quite a while. 🙂

    However, Game 50 was different in a way that taste of happiness after the unbeaten season had still been in my mouth. It was a punch in the belly. Painful, ugly and unexpected but I had always thought that Invincibles would bounce back. Whisper it, but most of them (Keown, Vieira, Bergkamp, Campbell) knew how to use elbows or make a dirty tackle themselves.

    Our game against Chelsea came after we had beaten Mourinho for whom I’ve grown despise bigger than I have ever had for Ferguson. It should have been a crown of Wenger’s piece by piece policy over the years of stadium debt, a victory of The Creator vs The Spender. A victory of Mesut’s elegance over Diego Costa’s dirty personality.

    Then Dean came in and gave the points to the bad guys by raping Laws of the game without any shame.

18. The 2003/4 Arsenal team were brilliant, unbeatable, invincible, until match day 50.

    Even a team as superbly good as that couldn’t overcome the blatant bias/cheating.

    Just saying

19. Agree with the earlier posts, think Dean will go lightly on us for this game,,but will do his damage at the NLD…..and perhaps one other game away.
    As for 2007, what changed…..David Dein was sacked for one. I know he splits opinions, and was not perfect…..but he knew where the power was, and how to use it, I would seriously imagine for Arsenals benefit wherever possible. I know some will disagree, but still think losing Dein was a seriously bad move at the time and on a few levels, it caused Wenger to reportedly offer his resignation for starters.

20. I am not optimistic that Dean will behave fairly – Hull (esp the ex Spuddies) are thugs and will behave – just like thugs. I think Dean the Dastardly will enjoy letting them get away with it.

    As stated above, it is important for the fans to really get on his case very early and very loudly – and continuously!

21. Josif,

    I think I’m “older” than you by some 6 months 😉 My first match was the 1994 CWC we won against Parma.

    But that’s besides the point.

    There is a subtle difference in the way we perceive this team compared to the Invincibles. The fact that the nowadays team doesn’t have the track record of winning the EPL, coupled with the rugby treatment it receives, plus the awareness that we’re so much more likely to be at the losing end of the refs’ decisions, makes it appear more frail – which it’s anything but. Just an example of how the expectations shape the outcome.

22. Optmistic, perhaps, maybe, stats, Dein all ways of avoiding the truth or trying to justify the truth. Lets not make any bones about the truth. The PGMO & its match officials are cheating the game of its beauty. They are corrupting our view of what the game should be according to the Laws. Too many supporters think that the game should be about harsh tackling, holding, obstructing, pushing & hurting the opponent without the officials reaction.

    Football is about skill & craft, controlling the ball, selling dummies, passing, shooting all done by evading contact with the opponent. Contact is inevitable but is not necessary. The term ‘football is a contact sport’ has been abused by bullies to make football an abuse of contact. The purpose of the officials is to ensure minimal contact of opponent while playing the ball. The Laws are pretty simple in their explanation. It is the added bully boy love that forces the game into its current disreputable state.

    The game is played all over the world mostly by barefooted children who play for the love of the game. As soon as money gets involved, the game becomes a pawn in the hands of bullies. These bullies use financial incentives to deviate from honest simplicity by bending Laws & destroying the Beautiful Game.

    We are being cheated of the Beautiful Game by financial deviants. Put simply, the FA, PGMO & betting syndicates have robbed Arsenal of several trophies by deviant interpretation of the Laws of the Game.

    We win despite the corrupt. It is not the way our future generations should accept sport.

23. “Football is about skill & craft, controlling the ball, selling dummies, passing, shooting all done by evading contact with the opponent. Contact is inevitable but is not necessary. “.
    Exactly. If I want to watch a game played by physical freaks and steroid junkies, I’ll watch rugby, in either code. The beauty of football is that it doesn’t matter what size you are as the game is about movement and subtlety not bludgeoning violence. If the English authorities could only recognise this we might have a chance of producing a national team capable of getting close to winning an intentional tournament. Of course thins difficult to achieve. So rather than put the time and money in, let’s just produce oafs like Jordan Henderson who couldn’t pass to a teammate if they were both locked inside a phone box yet can run around all day long without tiring.

24. Andrew,

    I think the change in fortune might be at a different point.

    I found a site which makes it easy to look at the results for each year and click on a game for details, and there’s a discrepancy with your records. (Was looking for something else). The losses are handily denoted with a big L, so it’s a less than a minute’s work to see when we lost and who was the ref for each year.

    Anyway, the years that seem different are 2007-8 and 2008-9- Dean doesn’t seem to have overseen losses in either year. Though he did oversee our darkest day of that 2007-8 season.

    If what I’m looking at is correct, then it would make the change even starker and put it at a more interesting point- the start of 2009-10.

    Tipster made a valid suggestion in saying the difference could be explained by us being a worse team post 2007 (or 2009 if that’s when things went south with Dean) than before, and an even better possible explanation is that Dean did more of the bigger, tougher games later on, as is common practice when a ref has earned his stripes and is regarded/ rated on the leaderboard as a top ref.

    I thing even after stating the strongest ‘case for the defence’, the statistics still match with and back up what our eyes (and the ref reports) tell us, i.e that there is something wrong.

    I’ve stumbled upon a cracker myself. In one 5 year block our penalty stats were 31-13 (+18), in the next 5 years they were 22-31 (-9). Chelsea’s, meanwhile, in that second period was 43-16 (+27)

    So, were we just a lot worse in the second five years? Did we attack less and was our defence a lot shakier? Our average points aren’t much different (74.6 compared to 73), our goals scored is actually slightly better in that second period (360/ 365 ; 72/73) and our defence is, admittedly, significantly worse (170/211 ; 34/42). Is that enough to explain the massive swing? Who knows.

    One things sure, our penalty record sure went downhill during that second period, which began in, yep, 2009-10.

    Keep up the great work, Andrew, and if you could let me know about those two years in question I’d appreciate it.

25. Andrew,

    looks like someone ist using your data…or copying UA’s ideas

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/19/stats-show-arsenal-would-top-premier-league-if-video-replays-were-in-use-5706207/

26. Chris
    I also saw the Metro article.
    The interesting thing is their conclusion that Arsenal are getting a rough deal with the refs decisions. Another article done recently by one of the newspapers had similar results again showing Arsenal to be hard done by. And then there was the Debatable Decisions web site a couple of years ago also showing the same.
    That is three independent sources all coming to the same conclusion as Walters ref reviews. We have been and still are being screwed.
    So to all those doubters who come on here and rubbish Walters findings as being a result of his Arsenal bias, what is your explanation for this?