Ref Review : Sunderland – Arsenal: Was this not knowing the laws? Or just plain bias? The latter looks more probable

31 Replies to “Ref Review : Sunderland – Arsenal: Was this not knowing the laws? Or just plain bias? The latter looks more probable”

1. It is laughable to consider Atkinsons performance in this match , and other Arsenal games , and this study https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-10/bc-tfr102516.php

   In addition to this Dermott Gallagher , ex PGMO puppet , said the Alexis penalty appeal should not have been a penalty as he went down too easily!! Gallagher has previous having sent off Gilberto at Newcastle for two non fouls , awarding a yellow card in both instances.

2. Concerns are being expressed that our little maestro Alexis is tending to go to ground a tad too often of late.
   At only 5ft6ins and being a bit of a terrier, it is increasingly difficult to judge. When defenders get physical he has little chance of remaining upright.
   Match officials have a clear duty to protect players like Alexis. 😉

3. As ever, thank you, Walter.

   This review should be framed and starred as a prime review that demonstrates such a degree of bias that pure incompetence cannot be the sole reason, and a darker agenda of corruption – of the individual and/or his bosses – becomes a legitimate question. There were more than enough instances where our players could have suffered serious injuries, and this lack of care for their health is worrying as it could set a precedent for the remainder of this season.

4. What is this? Only 5 red cards for Sunderland? I figured it should’ve been at least 7 or 8.

   Btw Walter – speaking of elbowing; did You or did You not see Giroud’s actions preceding our first goal last night? Or was it just a typical case of [and I quote] “not even a foul”. I’m only asking because You never miss those kind of incidents when… never mind…

5. The most damming inditement of Atkinson is the complete predictability of Isis performance I may not have been 100% accurate in my preview but I sure as hell wasnt too far out. If I can see it then others can too.

6. Hi Dieter, did you miss the Dean review? I think I missed your comment.

7. Walter,

   Leave them be, even with the clearest possible video evidence linked in the article, they will turn a blind eye and resort to their agenda.

8. Hi Walter. I’m afraid I did miss the Dean review rather than you missing my comment. I haven’t touched this site since the Burnley fiasco, because at the time it became a case of too much double standards for me.

   But I will look into the Dean review anytime soon. Meanwhile could you please express your insight on Giroud’s antics? Just briefly to not go more off-topic?

   Usama

   I wouldn’t be so sure it’s me (as one of “them”) who’s having an agenda here. Or maybe you’d like to name just one unbiased person on the earth willing to agree that Sunderland should have had 5 players sent off on Saturday?

9. Dieter,

   There are a lot of comments like yours accusing of the reports being biased. Its nothing new.

   The clips and links are mentioned accordingly for the readers to see, along with the laws of the game below. Every possible descriptive detail of every single major incident of every game is presented at this site, this all done to report in the most transparent way possible, erasing any sort of biases/favourites/likes/dislikes. If you can’t possibly take all that info then I am sorry.

   Whether you are one of them or not, only you know it better

   P.S I suggest you to go through our week-by-week analysis of every single major decision in the league.

   Why not, try this one, the latest Week 08 Ref report.

   http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/57261

10. DIETER
    The fact is yes 5 Sunderland players should have been sent off.
    Now if an unbiased ref had done he’s job properly the would have been no need to send of that many players because the sunderland players would not have committed the fouls they did.
    Cause I am sure they are not idiots they can see the way the land is lying and what the ref is going to let them away with.
    With Atkinson they had a ref that allowed them to commit fouls that a non curupt ref would have issued the appropriate sanctions.

11. Gunnerjoe

    An OPINION is NOT a FACT.

    Usama

    I do appreciate your efforts, I really do. Who wouldn’t? But I simply don’t agree with all of the stuff. For example the Cresswell double-case; you see it as a yellow for simulation + a straight read for elbowing (?), I see it as a penalty + a free-kick (no cards).

    It doesn’t have to be about bias all the time. Or does it?

12. Dieter,

    Bias is the theoretical word generated after tallying up the numbers. Whether there was any actual bias in any match or not, who knows.

    But what we are trying to do is present decisions that should have been correct or wrong, and decisions that were correct or wrong.

13. Interesting Dieter that you mention the “Burnley fiasco”.

    Because that “fiasco of double standards” was agreed with almost all the referee voices I have heard and seen, that it was a valid goal.
    Referees and ex-referees all said: no offside and no deliberate handball.
    But of course we all bow to your knowledge and wisdom that is mostly based on feeling bad because Arsenal is rather winning a lot of matches.
    I really cannot believe you are an Arsenal supporter and no need to be one but come out for it.

    But I do find it strange that whenever there might be the slightest incident when Arsenal might get the benefit of a decision you come to this side. But the other way round you are not to be seen.
    But that is part of being as what mostly is described as being a troll on the internet.

14. And the fact you don’t mention the first given foul that lead to the first Ludogorets goal.
    No if we speak about being biased I mainly see one person who is biased. Biased against Untold maybe

15. One of the factors in the decline in English football is the appalling incompetence and bias of the referees.

    Thug teams (of which Sunderland is only one) should have 5 players sent off when appropriate – failure to do so because of ref bias or incompetence does not help the development of footballing skills.

    Good analysis & a good win by the team in spite of the Bandit in Black.

    As for Atkinson – one of the worst of a very poor “select” group!

16. Messrs Tony/Walter
    There’s a way in which time blurs history and it will only take conscious effort to get it freshened. I’m of the opinion that long time supporters that witnessed the Match 50 show of shame by the PGMO can make neo supporters aware of the event that embodies the agenda of those behind the curtains against Arsenal. I suggest a platform to read ‘Never forget: Match 50’ can go a long way to drive home the message. It may be a banner unfurled or a banner on the Untold website for anyone visiting. A link could be created to the article on the sane match.
    Thank you.
    Kindly pardon the digress

17. Once again , great job guys . Keep up the good work. And do please ignore the usual idiots who just don’t seem to get it . Or pretend not to get it .

    Before you speak , let your words pass through three gates –
    Is it true ?
    Is it necessary ?
    Is it kind ?

18. Diete the Troll again. Is he a disgruntled Tiny Totts fan maybe?

19. Walter

    Regarding the Burnley fiasco; you yourself claimed we should have had 2 penalties for UNINTENTIONAL handballs. Yet it’s perfectly acceptable for us to score with UNINTENTIONAL handball.

    And had it been the other way round – Burnley scoring the way we did – I very much doubt your sense of legitimacy would have stayed exactly the same. Let alone your exceptional solidarity to the same referees you so publicly and emphatically feel contempt for.

    Yes, Walter, I “don’t mention the first given foul that lead to the first Ludogorets goal”. But you do. But you don’t mention Giroud’s elbow at all. And you’re in charge for the match reports, not me.

    Yes, it was a dubious decision to give a free-kick for Xhaka’s – yet again – unintentional handball. It’s painfully obvious that the modern-day handball rules are easily the worst overall in the history of the game. And I think the legislators are more responsible than the refs. This is supposed to be football not handball ffs.

    So there’s your answer. However, you still seem reluctant to present your views on Giroud’s free-swinging elbows. I’m afraid that proves a point or two or more. (Not the first of its kind; for instance you never replied to the relevant questions concerning your stance on Gabriel vs. Deeney 50/50 -challenge last March…)

    Oluwatoba; I was all set up to shoot Mike Riley on sight during and after Match 50. But I’ve never thought it was the beginning of an ongoing conspiracy against us. Most people don’t.

    markyb; I already answered your question: http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/57305

    Are you one of those who write but don’t read?

20. You can dress a pgMOB turd up with bells and yes even a whistle but it will still smell like ****

    Unfortunately cunning and clever trolls that have no sense of self-humiliation appear to have no sense of smell either

    –

    A number of gallant podcastateers said on their podcasts: “clearly the referee took a dislike to Alexis” alas they didn’t have the footballs required to use the correct language to describe what they had witnessed: not dislike, but bias. Rigging. Tilting, cheating etc. Perchance they could use a dictionary?

    Even worse then a troll is an arsenal fan who chooses to disguise for themselves what it is that they have seen. Support your club! Please.

    –

    I see the pgMOBs second most favoured team from last season were outplayed in a game of football again. Without their handicap.

21. https://mobile.twitter.com/GoonerViews/status/773640251457830914/video/1

    pGMOB Rules Football (OK?) in all it’s resplendent glory.

    Will the AFC players be penalised for breathing upon their opponents? Will the team that lost to Iceland be allowed to dive (as above) and clog their way across the pitch? Has there been a bigger diver then Alli in recent years and yes that includes Suarez?

22. We need to ask the question: “Do referees and PGMOL have a Duty of Care” towards the players under their supervision?”

    If the answer is “Yes” then why don’t they adhere to that?
    If the answer is “No” then, why not?

    PGMOL to me is a a rotting ship full of rats all seeking to please the King Rat.

    Dieter:

    So, is the referee’s decision based on FACT or OPINION?

23. Norman,
    If the refs did not have a care of duty then they wouldn’t be on the pitch! We wouldn’t need them. They wouldn’t be there!

    Which makes the evidential conduct m of Riley’s crows all the more smelly!

24. Dieter the clips are there. The handball when Walcott took the ball and went past a defender who stuck out his arm and stopped the ball… Okay if you call that unintentional…. I have given the reasons why it should be punished. You only say : I say it is like that, so it will be like that.
    At least use the laws of the game to say why a decision is wrong or correct.

    I think it is useless to discuss the laws and interpretation of the laws when you don’t provide evidence.
    Our evidence is open on this site. Has been for years.
    Your evidence is based on your opinion and that is based on a hatred for Wenger and a big wish to see him go at all costs.

25. Dieter, please provide me with the clips. If possible from a few angles.
    Then I can have a look at it. I don’t have them now. And haven’t seen any replays yet where they show more detail

26. Dieter probably will argue that our third goal should have been disallowed also as Giroud won the ball unfairly….. 🙂

27. Walter

    Neither video clips nor Arsene Wenger are relevant here. I was merely suggesting that had such an elbowing incidence taken place in our box I’m as good as certain it wouldn’t have gone unnoticed in your match report.

    And to insist that the 2 handballs by Burnley defence were deliberate bear as much weight as if I argued Kos deliberately handled the ball over the line. You see, sometimes you only see what you want to see..

    Needless to say it’s a tough task being a passionate supporter and an impartial reporter at the same time. But it’s a position You’ve chosen to take so maybe it’s best to try to adjust to the realities of accountability. On the other hand; it’s your site and you have the power to send off all dissenters.

    But I’m glad you reacted instead of being unconcerned or (too) arrogant. No smoke without fire. And come Sunday you have another opportunity to prove no bias exist. That might not be necessary, though, because this time The NLD appears to be just a walk in the park for us.

28. Haha the absolute sorry state of some people…

29. Thanks, Usama. That was very constructive and mature. Wouldn’t you like to insult me properly while you’re at it? Maybe a few more insinuations about my mental health to help you to discuss footballing matters?

    Whatever makes you happy.

30. @dieter
    Are you Rupert in disguise? Are you Rupert, in disguise?

31. The gift that keeps on giving.