Train warnings, price rises, stupid kick offs, West Ham lose. Stay tuned for the magic of the cup.

By Bulldog Drummond

Once upon a time the FA Cup third round kicked off at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.  Now if you get a match on a Saturday afternoon you are lucky.

Our match this evening makes travelling back by train difficult – the last train back leaves at 2017, making it a tight squeeze.  And its a dead slow train that takes two hours longer than the normal journeys.  Miss that one and there is the 2122, but be warned – that takes a massive 13 hours to do the trip to London.  Not recommended.

But does the BBC, who changes the fixtures, actually care?  Probably not.   The Fulham game at Cardiff kicks off at, which is about the stupidest time I’ve yet seen.

And of course we’ve already had a bit of “cup action”, as the journalists like to say.  And as expected West Ham at the running track had a spot of bother losing to Manchester City lost 0-5.  Of course they will now say that it is good to get the FA Cup out of the way so they can focus on the league, and the poverty of the performances of Sunderland, Swansea and Hull could ensure that State Aid Utd do ultimately stay up.

But maybe the owners won’t worry if they go down.  Because in that eventuality the cost of the rent will go down too.   Never mind that stewarding, goalposts, corner flags, cleaners, undersoil heating, floodlighting, dugouts, changing rooms, toilets, security, cleaning, pest control and turnstile operators which are all paid for by us stupid mugs who pay taxes in the UK, State Aid Utd are going to pay less rent if they play in a lower league.   (And by the way the policing costs for London football matches are already covered by the Metropolitan Police).

So kick off times change as the world changes – and so do the rules relating to the FA Cup.   In the old days clubs drawn together would mutually agree ticket prices for the match – as long as it was above the minimum price laid down by the FA.   If they could not agree, which was rare, the FA would come in and set the price.  Each club then got 45% of net gate receipts, with the rest going to the FA.

Now the home club chooses the price and can make it anything it likes, and the away club’s fans can be charged more if the away team agrees and is greedy enough to fleece their own fans.  Which means clubs can charge by and large anything, and the away team is only consulted if there is the suggestion of charging away fans even more.

There is one benefit to fans of smaller clubs in this – because before, as an agreement needed to be reached, lots of small clubs objected to larger clubs cutting the price to try and fill the stadium – they wanted as high a price as possible in order to get the most money out of the day.  Away fans were fleeced.  Now the clubs can fleece everyone.

Whatever the price the crowd at Hull might be quite small since supporters are arranging a boycott in protest at the way the club is being run.  Their average attendance is 20,441, and their lowest so far has been 17,403.

According to the Chair of Hull City Supporters Trust only 3,000 tickets for the fixture had been sold for the fixture although there might be a last minute rush.  In a really good gesture the Supporters Trust are asking fans who would have attended the game to donate their match ticket money to one of two local charities instead –  the Hull & East Yorkshire MIND branch and Launch Pad, a local trampolining club displaced by the Allam’s expansion of Hull City’s academy.

And meanwhile what of Arsenal?

Arsène Wenger has said that yes, he could of course do with Jack Wilshere today but in the interview stated that the season long loan was right for the player – not least because it could work well for Arsenal in the long run if he comes back fit and in form.

Jack has played in 17 of Bournemouth’s 20 league games thus far, and two of those missed were the games against Arsenal.

For Arsenal today obviously Santi Cazorla, and Francis Coquelin are injured, Mesut Özil is ill and Mohamed Elneny has chosen to spend time in Africa rather than with the club that pays him.

Speaking of Granit Xhaka Mr Wenger said he was concerned about the penalties he gives away, but added, “You can see in his game he is not a dirty player. Overall I am quite happy with his defensive evolution. He is less spectacular in his tackling and he stays more on his feet. He uses his body better to win the challenges and his recovery runs are stronger when the ball goes behind him. Before he was a little bit in the moon.”

Actually I love that comment.  I am not sure which bit of Granit was in the moon, but it is nice to know we are helping promote space exploration.

Per Mertesacker has recovered from his injury but is “still three or four weeks away” in terms of being match fit, and Mr Wenger said he expected Per to sign a new contract.  Laurent Koscielny and Alexis Sánchez will be rested for today’s game.

Up next, the full team and some other exciting stuff.

PS Do you remember in the old days when they used to say “Stay Tuned!”  Never hear that anymore, and I suppose it doesn’t really apply to the internet.  Hey ho.

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7 Replies to “Train warnings, price rises, stupid kick offs, West Ham lose. Stay tuned for the magic of the cup.”

  1. May 1941 and the replay of the Wartime FA Cup Final at Ewood Park, Blackburn.
    Arsenal and Preston NE had drawn earlier at Wembley before a restricted crowd of 75,000.
    Result Preston 2 Arsenal 1….a day of gloom for four schoolboys attending. 😉

  2. Many Gooners and myself if not all the Gooners are expecting the Gunners to wallop the Lilywhites of Preston NE by 4 unreplied away goals to nil at the Deepdale this evening.

    The FA round three matches in which both the PNE and Arsenal are playing for a 4th round slot today has a history of giant killings in the competition. But in as much as PNE who are now living on their past glory in the Sky Bet 1st division football will be hoping to do a giant killing of Arsenal this evening, they will obviously face an enormous task in Arsenal to overcome them in the game to do a giant killing act against them. Because the enormous Arsenal team is too enormous for them to overcome.

    And as a result of this enormousity of the Arsenal team & game which PNE can’t overcome, the Lilywhites will bow down to the Gunners in the game and concede a heavy defeat to them and say Arsenal are lords in FA Cup football.

    My starts & bench are as below:

    Bellerin Holding Mustafi Monreal
    Xhaka Ramsey
    Chamberlain Iwobi Welbeck
    Martinez Jenkinson Paulista Maitland-Niles Ben-Sheaf Reine-Adelaide Mavididi.

    I think the FA should not have drawn PNE against Arsenal because the game looks like a deliberate mismatch game of a weak opponent team for Arsenal to crush. And in this age of high technology and in particular in an European western country like that of England, why should a train travel take 13 hours journey to convey the Arsenal fans who travelled to Preston to watch this match back to London? Are there no metro-line trains which should have been made available by the train authorities for the purpose of conveying the away fans in their return journeys in this match?

  3. Bit harsh on Elneny, that. One of the bonuses playing regularly for big clubs with huge exposure is that it pretty much makes up the mind of the national coach for you, particularly with the smaller nations. He’ll likely be a cert to start every game – less so if he was still off the radar at Basel.

  4. @Shoot,
    In those days, our enemy was Germany.
    It was only after the peace that referees took on the mantle! 😉

  5. @Bulldog Drummond in an advert i saw Carzola d Magician,Ozil the Best of The Best and (X)Shaka ,Bet-sport or something like that paid for that advert and Carzola was given four balls to score the goal he scored against Hull. He didn’t look to be all that bad probably it was done before he was injured. I thought Jack had a clause out to play for us when called upon.

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