21 responses

  1. tega
    02/03/2018

    The last time i checked we played a match yesterday. is this not an Arsenal site again? No analysis whatsoever of the match.
    So once we lose the next thing is to talk about the media, pundits and the ref?
    This is becoming pathetic

    • Tony Attwood
      02/03/2018

      Tega I think if you contemplated the title of this site you might understand a little more. IT is called Untold.

  2. Ogban
    02/03/2018

    I don’t read anything Gary Neville has to say. He was a monumental disaster when he tried his hands at football management. And since then, nobody has given him a second call. So what’s he got to say?

  3. Bobome
    02/03/2018

    Tony,
    Thank you again for another well written article. These so-called ‘experts’ come for ‘two-a-penny’ and do their paymaster’s bidding, so I don’t expect them to give a balanced review of the football matches they are commenting on.

    Does playing a zillion football matches make of you an expert on football? No, but that is all these jokers bring to the table as qualification. To be truly considered a credible pundit I would think that they’ll know a lot about, coaching, playing, preparation for matches, diet, sports psychology, defending, attacking, tactics and strategies, team selection, people management, team building and a few more other things that go into the spectacles that they are commenting on.

    We are seeing the cumulative effects of bad refereeing of AFC matches taking its toll on the players and the Club. What is the Club itself doing about these issues? Unless they are complicit in some manner then the guys upstairs should get off their ‘what-you-call-it’ and earn their pay before their investments go down the chute.

    Making Arsene take the rap for these failings is a huge manifestation of injustice, like a man of integrity that he is he is bearing it all with stoic heroism. I still maintain that the wheels of the FA, EPL and PigMob’s collective acts of omission and commission will fly off one day soon to their eternal regret. To every act or inaction there is always a corresponding reaction. Pick one end of a stick and the other end comes along.

  4. Yommex
    02/03/2018

    I find it amusing when ‘experts’ like Jamie Carragher who played for almost 20 years without once winning the Premiership is calling for the resignation of Arsene Wenger for not winning the Premiership in the last 14 years.

    The count of when Arsenal last won the EPL started after five years, that was in 2009 but I am yet to read it anywhere that this year makes it the fifth year that Manchester United, the richest club in the whole world, last won the league title.

    Liverpool and Tottenahm that are doing ‘so great’ compared to,Arsenal have never won the EPL even once since inception in 1992, yet it is okay by the media as they have remained competitive by constantly avoiding relegation every season. Tottenham have not been in the Final of any tournament since 2008 when they won the League Cup, yet they have done better than Arsenal.

    When Wenger said qualification for the Champions League was like a trophy, he was lampooned by the media. Arsenal miss out of the CL for the first time in 20 years then it became more important than winning the League Cup.

    While not denying that we need more work to be done, I blame a good number of the fan base for their fickleness in allowing the media with hidden agenda and ulterior motives to manipulate them into thinking the world is about to end as we go through this most challenging patch.

    The club have been most active in turning over both the playing and non playing staff over the past 18 months that at any given time in our recent history. A work in progress requires time and patience.

  5. Terry
    02/03/2018

    I watched Arsene Wenger sitting on that bench, in a stadium that was built to take us to a new level and realised that we are at a new level. But instead of it being the ultra-competitive one we’d all hoped for, we’re now an also-ran in the Premier League, and it made me feel sad and a bit angry at how this has been allowed to happen.

    We moved in there in 2006 and while things were changing in the football landscape, with the emergence of billionaire, sugar-daddy owners, the Arsenal of back then was a club with huge ambition. You don’t embark on the kind of project we did and leave behind your beautiful, historical home on a whim.

    It took so much work to make it happen, and Wenger was one of the driving forces behind it. While nobody could really foreseen the way the ownership model would shift so radically, he knew that for us to be truly competitive at the highest level of European football we had to get bigger, we had to modernise, and that’s exactly what we did.

  6. Yommex
    02/03/2018

    Played: 28
    Won: 10
    Drawn: 7
    Loss: 11
    Win %: 35.71
    Goal For: 39
    Goal Against: 39
    Goal Difference: +1

    Gary Neville’s managerial record at Valencia. Talk is cheap.

  7. Goonermikey
    02/03/2018

    I’m all for experts commenting objectively on aspects of the game for which they are adequately qualified and experienced. But when we get people like Neville telling us what the manager should do when he was an unmitigated disaster in that role it is beyond absurd. The analogy is a nurse telling a cardiac surgeon how to do his/her job just because they are both health professionals who worked in a hospital. The only thing that’s worse, of course, is when the patients think they know better than the surgeon just because they regularly watch Casualty on TV…………………

  8. Polo
    02/03/2018

    In the West there are no such thing as ‘corruption’ just ‘donations or gifts’.

    Here’s an interesting article.

    http://soccerrefereeusa.com/index.php/entry/100-sir-alex-and-referee-halsey-–-the-tip-of-the-iceberg

  9. Terry
    02/03/2018

    The appointment of a Head of Recruitment and ‘Definitely not a Director of Football’ are welcome, but they come years too late. If we’re going to judge Arsene Wenger for his work – and we absolutely should – then let’s not be blinded to the fact that other people are culpable too. People who have hidden behind the manager and let him take all the bullets during difficult times.

    I haven’t forgotten that, nor should anyone else as we see them try to re-position themselves as the potential saviours and men to make the decisions about what’s best for the future of this club we support. I’ve seen what you did, and didn’t do, and your leaked photos and internal power-plays don’t mask that.

    And so, as I saw Arsene sit on the bench I thought that this must have been so far from the vision he had when the Emirates was built. He can’t possibly be blind to this, and ultimately he’s the manager, he’s spent the money since the shackles came off, and the decline has continued. That’s on him.

    From a team which competed for the title every season, to one which was always comfortably in the top four, to one which had to fight for the top four, to one which is now sixth and unlikely to get beyond that. We can all see the direction we’re going in, and now it’s time to do what it takes to change that.

    This is a huge club with massive potential and we’re under-performing in such a big way. The need for something different is obvious, and it feels like those above are abdicating their responsibilities again, content to let Wenger remain in the firing line as long as possible, afraid to stick their heads above the parapet lest they be held accountable in any way. Anyone heard anything from any of them? No, of course not.

    I don’t take any pleasure in seeing a once brilliant manager like this. He looks a broken man and it’s not nice to see. I find it hard to see him struggle on the pitch and off the pitch, but I while I won’t absolve him of his responsibilities when it comes to our current situation, he’s not the only one at whom fingers should be pointed because there are people who can do something about it, and don’t.

  10. Josif
    02/03/2018

    @Yommex

    Spurs played LC Final in 2015, lost to Chelsea 2:0. Other than that, you’re pretty much spot on.

  11. Polo
    02/03/2018

    Well said Yommex. The club look like it’s in transition for post-AW and is currently in a bad period, as supporters we should do our bit and try to support and encourage the staff to perform better, not abuse and insult them. Whether AW stay or go it’s irrelevant, supporting the club mean supporting the club through the good times and the bad. Criticise by all mean, but do it in a respectful way.

  12. JimB
    02/03/2018

    Yommex

    You wrote: “Tottenham have not been in the Final of any tournament since 2008”.

    ….Apart from when they were in the final of the League Cup in 2009 and 2015, you mean?

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The reason why Arsenal get criticism for their league performances is because their league performances have fallen far below the incredibly high standards that Wenger has set for the club. And what seems to be the majority of Arsenal fans know it and are not at all happy with it. Consequently, that is the narrative that the media runs with. By contrast, Spurs have no such recent high standards to maintain. This is the best team that Spurs fans have witnessed in a generation or two, so Spurs’ fan base is almost uniformly happy. And the media runs with that narrative too. The media narrative for each club is opportunistic and based on each club’s circumstance. That’s all. And narrative for each club would change in a heartbeat if their circumstances were to change. The new narrative is waiting, with journal itching to write it. It already shadows whatever praise Spurs currently receive, with constant caveats about Spurs having won nothing and how they are likely to lose all their best players and their manager imminently.

  13. apoarmani
    02/03/2018

    Yommex
    02/03/2018 at 2:24 pm

    Perfectly put!!

  14. Polo
    02/03/2018

    It’s an old report but for those who haven’t read but has the time and are interested to know the background intricacies and politics of English football leagues especially the development and effect of the Premier League.

    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmcumeds/792/792ii.pdf

  15. Menace
    02/03/2018

    Yommex
    02/03/2018 at 2:31 pm

    Goal For: 39
    Goal Against: 39
    Goal Difference: +1

    ???????? Neville maths! Goal difference is 0

    • Tony Attwood
      02/03/2018

      That sounds like the sort of mistake I’d make

  16. Menace
    03/03/2018

    Terry – Watching Wenger sit on the bench is not really unexpected. The media have ways of depicting anything in a bad way. They do not report with honesty – that includes my BBC (it is what I pay fees for & own).

    The sadness comes from analysis like yours where you try to take the height of financial growth & expect it to be reflected in the competitive arena. The financial goal posts changed while we grew. There are clubs that do not need to build stadia as theirs have been ‘donated’ as has their success on the field of play. Donated by the FA & its PGMOL, by the corrupt secretive select bunch of whistle blowing morons.

    If the football set up were a market, the law would not allow it to function. It is not a market but a true set up as in prepared with purpose to fool the public. The tides of play are controlled & the ‘describers’ are selected to show a calm ocean. What we see are the currents moving beneath surface yet no one outside of Untold seems to want to calm the ocean before it all drains into a desert.

    Wenger is smarter than you seem to believe. He has had to make mass changes to ensure quality while respecting those who he had to let go. His squad may appear unbalanced but his teamwork will rise above individual weakness. All of this, still, despite the PGMOL & their media collaborators.

  17. Gord
    03/03/2018

    Menace.

    I had noticed that odd goal difference calculation earlier. But why point it out, when I got disappointed with all the comments in the first half being negative. And then today, I see a few more comments published, and I didn’t care to see if everything was still negative.

    And after all that, the predicted winter storm we were supposed to receive, didn’t show up. There is almost no snow in the fields here, it is all in the ditches right next to the roads. In places, we have drifts to 10 feet. Next to the road.

    But, Neville math.

    In terms of logic 0 and 0 is 0.
    0 and 1 is 0.
    1 and 0 is 0.
    1 and 1 is 1.
    (For all the people that use the word ‘and’ instead of ‘add’ 🙂 )

    Arithmetic (base greater than 2):
    0 add 0 is 0.
    0 add 1 is 1.
    1 add 0 is 1.
    1 add 1 is 2.

    Arithmetic (base 2)
    0 add 0 is 0.
    0 add 1 is 1.
    1 add 0 is 1.
    1 add 1 is 10.

    PGMO math (G(0,1) is a Gaussian deviate of 0 mean and standard deviation 1)
    0 add 0 is G(0,1)
    0 add 1 is G(1,1)
    1 add 0 is G(1,1)
    1 add 1 is G(2,1)

    Neville math
    0 add 0 is G(0,1)/G(0,1)
    0 add 1 is G(1,1)/G(0,1)
    1 add 0 is G(1,1)/G(0,1)
    1 add 1 is G(2,1)/G(0,1)

    In common terminology, dividing by 0 can lead to an answer of infinity. A definition of a Cauchy distribution is a ratio of 2 Gaussian distributions, where the denominator has a mean of 0. So not only can the numerator be on either side of 0 in these examples, the denominator can also be other side of 0 and since on average you are dividing by 0, you haven’t a clue as to what the magnitude is. As both numerator and denominator can have either sign, you can’t say anything about the result.

    This is just the same as analysing Neville. He presents a “mean” result, but you have no clue as to which side of the fence he is on, or how far off his “mean” is from the real result.

  18. blacksheep
    03/03/2018

    Hello Terry, are you Arseblog? I’d be surprised given that his name is Andrew but perhaps you are here incognito? If you aren’t Mr Arseblog (a mighty fine blogger) then you are strongly reading his thoughts verbatim. If you don’t know what ‘verbatim’ means then please look it up.

  19. blacksheep
    03/03/2018

    Hello Terry, are you Arseblog? I’d be surprised given that his name is Andrew but perhaps you are here incognito? If you aren’t Mr Arseblog (a mighty fine blogger) then you are strangely reading his thoughts and repeating them verbatim. If you don’t know what ‘verbatim’ means then please look it up.

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