By Tony Attwood
The story so far
- Arsenal v Palace. Patrick’s arrival reminds us how we have fallen (according to some)
- Arsenal v Palace: What’s happened to Patrick Vieira as manager
- Arsenal injuries, the home/away portents and past matches with Crystal Palace.
- How can some clubs commit fouls with impunity while others get card after card?
Now to conclude our saunter, the team
The ShortFuse website gives us
Ramsdale
Tomiyasu White Gabriel Tierney
Partey Sambi
Saka Odegaard Smith Rowe
Aubameyang
The Guardian go with the same.
The Daily Canon do likewise but add the cautionary note that “The only question marks will be whether Tierney and Tomiyasu come back from international duty healthy and ready to go again on,” and the point that Pepe was called up for the Ivory Coast but didn’t play.
The Short Fuse very obligingly also give us a bench of nine…
- Bernd Leno
- Nuno Tavares
- Rob Holding
- Cedric
- Mohamed Elneny
- Ainsley Maitland-Niles
- Pepe
- Gabriel Martinelli
- Alexandre Lacazette
and even a list of players who don’t make the cut at all…
Arthur Okonkwo, Sead Kolasinac, Pablo Mari, Calum Chambers, Eddie Nketiah, & Folarin Balogun.
The Hard Tackle sally forth with
Ramsdale
Tomiyasu White Gabriel Tierney
Odegaard Partey Smith Rowe
Pepe Aubameyang Saka
Vavel don’t give us a team but do confirm the appointments to be feared…
- Referee: Mike Dean
- Assistants: Eddie Smart & Mark Scholes
- Fourth Official: Simon Hooper
- VAR: Peter Bankes
- Assistant VAR: Neil Davies
So that’s pretty much it for the teams, but Arsenal have announced some stringent new regulations relating to attending games at the ground.
Personally, I find these very disturbing, for reasons I’ll try and explain below. If you want to comment on my position on this, that’s ok of course, but I would ask that you do read the whole comment before commenting.
Arsenal are saying that they might refuse entry to the ground for a game to anyone who doesn’t have a covid pass or proof of vaccination.
Now let me say at once, I have double vaccination, and when the booster jab comes along I’ll be at the front of the queue. I’ve also been jabbed against flu, which is expected to be singularly virulent this winter.
But, being jabbed is not a legal requirement, it is an Arsenal requirement. And Arsenal is of course totally entitled to make this rule up, but really they should have done that before tickets were sold. If their argument is that they didn’t know there would be a covid crisis during the course of this season, and so couldn’t impose the rule when tickets were sold (which is a possible argument, but a pretty dumb argument given the publicity there has been about covid) then they should say, very clearly, anyone who is not vaccinated or doesn’t have a recent covid test can get an immediate refund for their ticket.
It is a fundamental of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (which covers service as well as goods) that you cannot change terms and conditions of a sale, after the contract is agreed.
The fact that Arsenal are citing the League updates matchday protocols for fans at matches (premierleague.com) article on twitter is neither here nor there. They should make it clear that this is a change of terms and conditions and that the club will abide by the relevant law.
Arsenal continue by saying, “All clubs will be conducting spot checks and have the authority to refuse entry (this will be at each club’s discretion). This information is being shared with all PL SLOs and DLOs. If you have any questions specific to your club’s checking procedures or COVID-19 certification, the PL recommend you contact your club’s SLO / DLO directly.”
i’d go for:
ramsdale
tomiyasu-white-gabriel-tierney
saka-partey-odegaard-smithrowe
lacazette-aubameyang
we have hit what must be an all-time low as far as scoring goals is concerned
ever since he was signed, laca has been our best goal-assist-per-minutes-played-provider
looks like he’s been written off by virtually everybody pretending to have an interest in the club
the rationale of this will never cease to amaze me
COYG
If a season ticket holder is turned away tonight because he or she has no proof of vaccination and this brakes consumer’s rights laws the club itself would then be braking the law. Where would that then leave the club in law?. Surly somewhere along the line if each club in the league is enforcing this new club requirement it means the league collectively is braking the law. The legal arguments that could follow such an action would not look good for Arsenal the league or football itself… At a time when all forms of entertainment are trying to get people to attend again its like shooting yourself in the foot… All it will do is discourage perfectly good customers.
“Show me your papers”
All it will take is for one ticket holder to challenge this through official channels (regardless of whether that person is vexed or not). It’s not quite “mandated vax” but a kind of coercion, which is setting an extremely dangerous and worrying precedent.
How is the vaccination being evidenced ? the double vaccination card or is there an app to download and get a qr code , As a gold member sadly I am not going tonight but this is the first that I have heard of it . It would be nice if someone at the club had seen fit to tell . Maybe it’s because I have sold my ticket on the official exchange scheme , but I doubt that they are that efficient.
Nobody (except a medical professional who is treating you) has a right to ask you about your medical history, and certainly not a poorly trained steward. If anyone is turned away for failing to provide this information then they have a good argument for bringing the case to court under the discrimination laws.
I hope the club also realise they will probably be breaking the law under GDPR as well.
But the majority of us now realise where this is all leading.
Micko
Please can you tell me where this is leading and show me your evidence.
Also can you name the 3.9 Billion people (The majority of the Earths population of 7.7 Billion) that also know this.
Not exaggerating there a little were we ? You’ll be telling me the Earths flat next.
Amist the restriction to stop the none Covid-19 vaccination compliant EPL football game watching fans from gaining entries to the Ems tonight to watch to watch the EPL match between Arsenal and Crystal Palace. But which I see as appropriate decision taken by Arsenal to curtail the spreading of Covid. But which didn’t go down well with some fans who are against the decision.
Nevertheless, on my own part as Arsenal supporter, I am hoping to see the Gunners hit the Eagles of Crystal Palace 3 goals to nil in the match to win it at fulltime.
So…how is Macarthur’s wallop on Saka only a yellow. The ball was 4 ft in the air when he whacked his standing foot from behind.
The very fine Mike Dean is on the ball i see.
To be fair overall I think Deans been okay, but when it comes to the crucial decisions, namely cards, again we get treated harshly.
I have no Issue with Sakas Yellow but they’ve got away with 2 or 3 equally poor challenges. Just because he played advantage doesn’t excuse him not carding them.
Plus as GGG says, how was that not a red ? It’s not even a debate.
And why didn’t VAR get him to have another look at least ?
Mike Dean remains a pr.ck of the first order, has been for years and always will be. VAR of course silent for an assault that should have been a red card.
Fck Mike Dean. Not sending off a Palace player who had to be subbed five minutes later totally changed the gsme.
Dean should be hung drawn and quartered in the literal sense.
Replay shows Sambi fouled in the buildup to the second goal.
Yes Andrew I just started watching saw the foul then the goal sick of watching these blatant fouls that mean nothing to the ref, commentery and so forth its getting very boring and predictable…
Fck you Mike Dean!
And Fck all of Crystal Palace players and stagf as well
Get in.
Credit where credits due. We deserved that. Never gave up. Great attitude.
Probably a fair result on chances.
Love Laca. Somehow he’sgot to be in this team
Don’t forget the foul on Partey after the ball had gone in the Palace box. That was a penalty.
Now again lets see how the media treat that performance from Dean AND VAR.
Saka could now be out on the back of a clear Red card. I know that, because for all our boys on Arsenal.com to say that it must of been.
Plus they should of had at least 3 other yellows, at least. They ended the game with 1 !!
Will the talking heads make a big deal of it? Not a chance.
Will they show it ?
Will they even mention it ?
So we’ll come out of another poor refereeing display and we’ll get nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dean gets praised.
seismic
Yes, I forgot that.
There was a very similar challenge on Laca near the end where he was taken out after his shot went wide and that was a free kick and I thought of that then.
yep another blatant error. Again where was VAR ?
I said years ago it would be used to highlight incidents against us that the ref misses, and ignore incidents for us he misses, and so it is proving.
@Nitram when wenger asked for VAR I said it won’t make a difference as it would be selective VAR like the refs once again I was proved right without wanting to be right…
Mike Dean should resign now, before another of our players is seriously hurt.
This from Chris Sutton on the BBC:
Chris Sutton
Former Premier League striker on BBC Radio 5 Live
“Arsenal have got away with one. Have Arsenal turned a corner? Not on this evidence. Palace will feel really hard done by.
Palace players will be thinking “how on earth have we drawn this game?” but they can take a lot from this season so far. It’s been a great start from Vieira. Eight games in they’ve been tremendous”.
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Well Chris because we had more possession, 56% to 44%, more shots, 17 to 9, of which one hit the underside of the bar, and played most of the 2nd half in their half.
Although well taken, both their goals were on the back of our mistakes.
We should of had a penalty and Palace should of been down to 10 men.
That’s ‘how on earth’ they drew the game Chris.
Do try not to let your hatred of Arsenal cloud your judgement at all will you?
Blimey, at least they’re saying the foul on Saka should of been a red.
Will wonders never cease.
If that wasn’t a clear and obvious error by Dean, VAR is finished.
@ Seismic
That is the biggest nail on the head ever. But what the hell is VAR doing? They spend five minutes drawing lines to see if a player is half an inch offside. “Clear and obvious error” ffs. Saka was kicked very hard, off the ball. If that wasn’t clear and obvious I don’t know what is. If it was an accident, why was he booked. If it was deliberate (which was as clear as day), it has to be red for several reasons.
And Nitram is right too. A foul on Partey for their second goal and three far worse fouls by Palace players, uncared before Saka got his.
Another fucking disgrace from the PGMO.
Regardless of how well Palace did or didn’t play, both the Penalty and the foul on Saka were clear and obvious, game changing errors.
Now as I say, SKY have at least mentioned the foul on Saka should of been a Red card, but they are not making anything like the fuss they would had those incidents been the other way around.
Dean and VAR would of been left in no doubt they had allowed Arsenal to get away with it.
As it is, yes a mistake was made, it happens, we move on.
Just having a look around to see whats being said. This is a fine example of a total distortion of the facts in order to criticize us from Football.London
“The Gunners struggled to maintain possession throughout the game and in the second quarter of the game they could only muster up 30 per cent of the ball, compared to Palace’s dominant 70 per cent”.
“The Gunners struggled to maintain possession throughout the game”
Possession stats: 56% to 44% in Arsenals favour. Yes there was a period that palace dominated the ball but not “throughout the game” as they claim, so an utter lie. And if this is exposing Arsenals weakness then what about these:
Palace 60% Leicester 40%
Palace 62% Spurs 38%
West Ham 46% Palace 54%
Palace 53% Brentford 47%
Palace are a decent possession team
Even at Anfield they had 40% possession, just 4 less than tonight.
The only team that has truly dominated them possession wise was Chelsea in the opening game of the season.
So making a big thing of it is ridiculous, and worse, to do so they deliberately distort the statistics, and actually lie by using the phrase ‘throughout the game’.
This is standard behavior in order to knock us at every opportunity.
As soon as I saw it was Dean in the middle it was Arsenal 2 down. The M-F er is the most arrogant son of a bitch ever. He starts off by taking a knee – the most shady bunch of officials in the world taking a knee when their organisation is blatantly racist. Blacks and other people of foreign extraction are not fit for selection to the PGMOL.
By giving Arsenal advantage the yellow cards are forgotten. The Red Card that should have been showed was ignored by VAR the other tool that the PGMOL use to justify their cheating – the media treating VAR like something from mars.
There is no use in complaining as the game is absolutely corrupt with sections of society ruling the FA, the Club ownership, the media and the minds of society.
It is time to just enjoy grown men kick a ball and pay a handsome price for it.
I pray that some evil befalls this corrupt group so that I might enjoy some justice.
The PL must be some kind of sect when you see how it is run. Or it is run by idiots.
They supposedly vote to accept the Newcastle turnover, and then suddendly discover that they would have the Man$City$ riches tenfold at their disposal, so the convene some emergency meeting to vote a last minute change of regulations.
So either they are idiots for not imagining this outcome or the Newcastle acquisition was shoved down their throat by some thugs visiting each owner and telling him they know where his kids go to school, or the governement telling them to accept or face closure ?
And in parallel they let PIGMOB rule over all of them ? Because, let’s face it, it is not only Arsenal who are on the receiving end of that sorry lot.
Has anyone got any stats on how many Arsenal players have been injured while Dean allows the opposition to kick us? How many examples would it take for Arsenal to take him to court?
Chris
Exactly. We do get a bum rap, but as you say we are not the only ones who get screwed by those numpties.
As I pointed out at the time Spurs were on the receiving end of some pretty poor assaults at Newcastle this weekend and nothing until late on and it would of been embarrassing not to. In all honesty Newcastle could and should of been down to at best 9 men by the end.
Ok Spurs were too good for them in the end anyway, but it got me wondering is this a portent of things to come for the ‘new kids on the block’ ?
If Mr Dean failed to interpret the assault on Saka as a red card offence then it is time for him to be removed. Peter Bankes was the VAR non operative. I recall Nigel Pearson saying in an interview that Dean “is the most arrogant man I have ever met”. Perhaps Bankes felt undermined by him. Keith Hackett this morning “I would be asking the referee to talk me through the incident”. We shudder to imagine what the outcome would have been had Xhaka made the challenge.
Nitram
How’s you ?
Like the Sky pundits I thought the read card should have been waved but that’s Dean all over. Even if you factor in the more “ lenient “ view being taken then
The only justification some possibly see is the ball was dead at the point in time but that or if it was accidental really shouldn’t have had any bearing .
A draw was probably about the right result and yes Arsenal had a lot more possession but the truth is the vast bulk of it was in front of the Palace defensive set up.
As an interested observer I think Arsenal are way too predictable so it’s easy to allow that extra possession and wait to the Arsenal player in possession is either isolated, mis kicks or out of possession and then press them or force an error.
Here’s an honest question do you see improvements or is it going to be a very long season ?
Nitram
Really you don’t see where this is leading?
It is leading to a world where you have to “show your papers” to enter sporting arenas, pubs restaurants, nightclubs, shopping malls etc. or to even get medical treatment. A two tier society, and all because some people are reticent about taking an experimental medical procedure that has killed thousands and caused injury to millions around the world.
God only knows how many it will continue to kill over the next couple of years.
You think this is OK?
Have you seen what’s happening in Australia, France, Italy USA etc.
That is what is coming to us this winter, only worse.
An experimental medical procedure that has killed thousands and caused injury to millions around the world.
That is a strong statement. Please provide some evidence.
The rules of the PGMO prohibit legal action against referees Richard
If you just have a look at the yellow card reporting system in the UK you will find…
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
Pfizer, 562 deaths and 339672 ‘reactions’.
Astra Zeneca, 1106 deaths and 832283 ‘reactions’.
Moderna, 20 deaths and 53584 ‘reactions’.
Unspecified 31 deaths and 3452 ‘reactions’.
Up until 6th October 2021.
If you go to the VAERS reporting site in the US you will obviously find the figures are far greater because of the bigger population.
I’m not going to do all the work for you but if you can do a bit of digging, I’m sure you can find out the figures for the rest of the world as well.
Oh I see; you are just considering adverse reactions and not comparing with number of people who have had jabs and had no reaction.
Micko
“A two tier society, and all because some people are reticent about taking an experimental medical procedure that has killed thousands and caused injury to millions around the world”.
So 1,719 deaths have been CAUSED by having the vaccine.
compared to:
The latest estimates suggest that 105,900 deaths have been PREVENTED as a result of the COVID-19 vaccination program, up to the 20th of August.
So 1,228,991 reactions have been CAUSED by having the vaccine.
Compared to:
The latest estimates suggest that 24,088,000 infections have been PREVENTED as a result of the COVID-19 vaccination program, up to 20 August.
All statistics from:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-report-published
Last updated 16th September 2021
Are you actually being serious?
“Nobody (except a medical professional who is treating you) has a right to ask you about your medical history, and certainly not a poorly trained steward. If anyone is turned away for failing to provide this information then they have a good argument for bringing the case to court under the discrimination laws”.
Wrong again.
There are literally dozens of countries where vaccination certificates are required to be produced in order to enter, most commonly, but not exclusively for Yellow fever and Malaria.
Take a look at this: https://practio.co.uk/travel-health/articles/vaccination-certificate
and tell me “Nobody (except a medical professional who is treating you) has a right to ask you about your medical history”.
You really should know what you are talking about before making such ridiculous statements.
Mike T
“A draw was probably about the right result”.
On the balance of play and the fact we scored so late I’ll take a draw as fair, but with some if buts and maybes.
I still think we were the slightly better side. More possession ((54-46) resulting in more shots (17/9) which I’ll be returning to that later.
We should of had a penalty when Partey was taken out after he had a shot in the box in the first half.
They should of been down to 10 men for over half the game.
In my opinion those stats and those 2 massive incidents incidents clearly give us the edge, but a draw it was and I can’t really begrudge them that, as I can see Selhurst park from where I work, and as such I have a fair few colleagues who support them.
But I’ve got to take you upon this:
“yes Arsenal had a lot more possession but the truth is the vast bulk of it was in front of the Palace defensive set up” and “As an interested observer I think Arsenal are way too predictable so it’s easy to allow that extra possession and wait to the Arsenal player in possession is either isolated, mis kicks or out of possession and then press them or force an error”.
They just set up 2 banks of four so it is inevitable you play a lot of football in front of them, the trick is creating chances, or shots on goal, and we managed that to the extent of 17 shots, 11 off target (one of which hit the underside of the bar), and 6 on target, and then converting them into goals. We did that twice.
Compare that to your stats against them of 13 shots, 7 off and 6 on. You converted that into 3 goals.
So attacking wise not much difference in reality, we just gave 2 goals away.
Take a look at this comparison of both our performances at Brentford.
We had 65% possession, created 22 shots, with 1 target. (circa 1 in 5)
You had 56% possession, created 5 shots with only 1 on target. (1 in 5)
Brentford managed 8/3 shots against us and 17/7 against you.
Somehow we lost 2-0 and you won 1-0
I know we lost them both but in those 2 matches we managed a massive 41 efforts at goal, 10 on target, you on the other hand managed just 18 shots, 7 on target. That suggests we are anything but ‘way too predictable’ and we certainly wouldn’t create that many efforts by just ‘playing in front of them’ would we?
And just as a matter of interest we conceded 16/9 efforts on goal to your you 21/8, so it’s not as if were much worse at the back than you either.
Our problem in my eyes is some wayward finishing, shooting ourselves in the foot, and some bad luck.
So sorry Mike, I don’t think we are predictable at all.
Overall I’m happy. Work in progress Mike, work in progress.
Corr:
We had 65% possession, created 22 shots, with (4 not 1) on target. (circa 1 in 5)
I know we lost them both should of course be a loss and a draw.
“Tony Attwood
19 October 2021 at 12:18 PM
An experimental medical procedure that has killed thousands and caused injury to millions around the world.
That is a strong statement. Please provide some evidence.”
I provided evidence as you requested but then you changed the goalposts and requested a comparison with amount of people vaccinated!
NOTE FROM PUBLISHER: Please note: there was more to this comment, but it moves on to insulting another correspondent, and I try not to publish such comments.
Hi Tony,
So it is OK for Nitram to ridicule me in an earlier post (You’ll be telling me the Earths flat next.), but it is not OK for me to have a sly dig back.
Wow, censorship really does rule nowadays.
You could get a job with Facebook or Twitter carrying on like this.
Micko, I am sorry that you fail to understand, but perhaps at some stage in the future you might reflect that saying to a person who is running a blog, and who is in charge of who can post on it and who can’t, “You could get a job with Facebook or Twitter carrying on like this,” and then expecting everything you choose to write should be accepted and published, is rather illogical.
What you decide to think is very much up to you but expecting your style and approach should earn you to right to be heard is rather obscure.