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  1. Mikey
    13 January 2022

    Time to take the PGMO and Michael Oliver to court. What a disgrace.

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  2. Menace
    13 January 2022

    Disgrace is too light a word for an obviously biased cheating bastard.

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  3. Nitram
    13 January 2022

    Arsenal.com both think it’s a nailed on red

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  4. Steve Vallins
    13 January 2022

    Xhaka IMO was looking at where he thought the ball was going and he did take the man out , the ref was very quick with the red card no seconds thoughts . We are given no leeway on these type of decisions poor Tommy has his face smashed nothing .

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  5. John L
    13 January 2022

    Oliver obviously very keen to outdo Atkinson in Riley’s good books.

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  6. Nitram
    13 January 2022

    Steve Vallins

    “We are given no leeway on these type of decisions poor Tommy has his face smashed nothing”

    That’s the way I see it.

    Look, personally, and despite the fact he was going for the ball, it probably was a red. That being said, as you suggest, we never get any leeway.

    They showed a table of Red Cards since Arteta took over and we have 13 reds over the period. The next worst is Southampton with 9.

    Now I defy anyone to say we are 33% dirtier than the next team. That alone suggests we are being treated very harshly.

    As I keep saying, yes, every offence could be a red. But that’s it. Could ! 30/70 50/50 70/30, whatever the chances, when it’s us, it will be a red.

    How many red card offences against us have we seen the opponent given the benefit of the doubt ?

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  7. Menace
    13 January 2022

    PGMOL work on a system of false positives but always a red for Arsenal.

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  8. Menace
    13 January 2022

    Robertson calls Oliver ‘f**king bastard’ but that is no foul and abusive from a Liverpool mouth……….

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  9. LE GALL
    13 January 2022

    so proud of these boys
    defending masterclass, which reminded me of what 10-man-italy did to the netherlands in the 2000 euro semi-final
    it’ll be fun to see which media outlets will admit to it tomorrow

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  10. Chris
    13 January 2022

    Maybe the red card is a new strategy by Arsenal. After reducing fouls, futile corners, now they are trying to reduce the number of players on the field. This way they can save some money by not needing as big a squad, an the 10 players are more motivated.

    Arteta is really a revolutionary, there is proof enough…..

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  11. Steve Vallins
    13 January 2022

    Feels like a win , a great result against the COVID liars , hope we get a result at home .
    Nitram do agree it was a red card but as I said very quick .

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  12. Chris
    13 January 2022

    By the way, what an incompetent defence we have at Arsenal.
    They let Lierpool get one shot on target for the whole game.
    This cannot be serious !
    Need to change the whole defensive line in this transfer window.

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  13. John L
    13 January 2022

    Surprising that as it stayed 0-0 Oliver didn’t give Liverpool a penalty or Gabriel a second yellow. That may damage his position in Riley’s favours.

    All our players were heroes. Special mention to Chambers.

    Their keeper had a more vital save to make than Ramsdale.

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  14. Zedsaunt
    13 January 2022

    A great performance from Arsenal. Obdurate, covering every angle, never losing their shape. Ten men, clean sheet, the game still to win.

    One point made handsomely tonight – Mr Arteta has got them playing. Brilliant. ‘A defending masterclass.”

    You can see why Mr Wenger and Pep Guardiola put their trust in Mr Arteta as a manager, as an assistant, as someone who could learn the game at that level.

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  15. Damilare
    13 January 2022

    Well done to the boys.
    This season, Arsenal had moved from being a relegation team (according to the media) to a team in recent matches, that could only be beaten through Refs help and now to a team unbeatable even on a PGMO tilted pitch with 10 men.
    COYG!

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  16. Zedsaunt
    13 January 2022

    As for the red card. Wouldn’t argue that it wasn’t but like Nitram says.

    ”They showed a table of Red Cards since Arteta took over and we have 13 reds over the period. The next worst is Southampton with 9.

    Now I defy anyone to say we are 33% dirtier than the next team. That alone suggests we are being treated very harshly.”

    Riley is going to get found out one day.

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  17. John L
    13 January 2022

    A few years ago we had particular reasons to fear Dean and Atkinson (or after Riley retired). Now the referee competition is much more fierce, with Moss, Atwell, Marriner, Lawson, Oliver and the rest doing their utmost to cheat us.

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  18. GoingGoingGooner
    13 January 2022

    I wouldn’t argue that Xhaka didn’t deserve a red,

    But, I point to the stamp on Tomiyasu’s face where nothing was given as to the genesis of my discontent.

    The lads were brilliant today. We are seeing boys turn into men in front of our very eyes.

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  19. Nitram
    13 January 2022

    Yep, that crappy defence has now played Man City and Liverpool with 10 men for a total of 90 minutes, and conceded just 3 shots on target in total.

    We have, as usual, been punished to the absolute max by the officials, in one form or another.

    I am so proud. This set of players is special.

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  20. John L
    13 January 2022

    It might not have been a totally unreasonable red card if viewed in isolation.

    However to understand the true context the key question is whether that would have been given against Arsenal.

    I think we all know the answer to that

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  21. LE GALL
    13 January 2022

    agree with you completely about calum @John L
    what a great lad he is – one of the unluckiest too, unfortunately
    hey MA, now that we’re without elneny-partey-xhaka … and maitlandniles of course: calum is very good at playing DM, just ask Fulham

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  22. Nitram
    13 January 2022

    “…..and conceded just 3 shots on target in total”.

    It’s actually better than that because it’s only TWO shots from open play.

    However you look at it, that is some pretty remarkable defending.

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  23. Mikey
    13 January 2022

    @ Nitram

    I watched the game with two Liverpool fans and two Chelsea fans, none of whom believed it was a red. In fact both the Liverpool fans felt that, as a genuine challenge which wasn’t above waist height, a yellow would have been quite harsh.

    I’m just sick of this shit. We have to be 50% better than anybody else to have any chance of anything approaching a level playing field.

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  24. Nitram
    14 January 2022

    Mikey

    I still think I err towards a red but as I said, it was not the 100% nailed on penalty many are making out.

    I believe it was given because the foul denied a clear goal scoring opportunity. And if that’s the case that’s where I have my doubts.

    For it to be classed as a clear goal scoring opportunity surely the attacker has to have the ball under control ? Jota clearly did not, and irrespective of the contact from Xhaka would not of done so as the ball hit him on the shoulder and ran away from him straight to the keeper.

    That being said I think I would of wanted a red if it was the other way round so I have to be fair and as I say, err on the side of the red. But it’s a close call, and as is the way again recently, most close calls seem to go against us

    Can I ask? You said:

    “I’m just sick of this shit. We have to be 50% better than anybody else to have any chance of anything approaching a level playing field”

    Do the 4 guys you watched it with concede we have a tough time with refs and VAR? I mean SKY showed those red card stats since Arteta took over showing we have had 13, 4 more than the next club, Southampton. That’s mad. As I asked earlier, are we really 30% dirtier than everyone else ?

    Or are they like all my mates and work colleagues who think it’s THEIR club that gets a bad shake ?

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  25. Mikey
    14 January 2022

    @ Nitram

    Everyone remembers the decisions that go against their team, of course they do. In fairness, that’s probably because even the unbiased refs are still pretty incompetent.

    However, I do know several non-Gooners who have openly said that they believe we get treated worse by referees than any of the other bigger clubs.

    As has been said elsewhere, we rarely get the benefit of any doubt and if that had been Van Dijk on Xhaka, there’s no way it would have been red. In fact I don’t even have the confidence to say we’d have even got a free-kick!

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  26. Nitram
    14 January 2022

    Mikey

    That’s interesting. I have some pretty fair minded mates who agree that we get a bad press, disproportionate to others, and to what we deserve. Also, as I have said here a few times, they think our fans (all lumped together of course) are a joke. But as I say to them, basically they are brainwashed by the terrible media coverage.

    I had a look at a couple of bits of media last night just to see what was being said, and by and large it was okay, but not as good as it should of been given the magnitude of the performance. For example I think you’ve seen The Suns player ratings in the other article for example. Joke. But I wont look today because I have no doubt at all in my mind that by this morning after the dust has settled, rather than the amazing performance the narrative will all be about Xhaka and slagging him off. I may be wrong and perhaps I will hear on UA how they all agree it was a bit harsh and how Xhaka cant sneeze without getting a red, where as others can spit at players, stamp on their face, or as Menace points out, call the ref a ‘f**king bastard’ and get nothing. Somehow I doubt it though.

    “As has been said elsewhere, we rarely get the benefit of any doubt”

    As you will know Mikey, that’s been my argument for years.

    Nearly all red, yellow cards are subjective and to greater or lesser degrees could go either way, for or against. The problem we have is that no matter how great or narrow the degree of balance they nearly always go against us. At least way more than the 50/50 ratio they should, being the natural nature of subjectivity.

    But, they ARE subjective decisions so cant be wrong. Cheating without cheating.

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