REF REVIEW: Arsenal – Burnley: oh dear… oh dear… random decision making would have been more accurate

27 Replies to “REF REVIEW: Arsenal – Burnley: oh dear… oh dear… random decision making would have been more accurate”

1. A little foot note…

   The ref reviews for the games against Bournemouth and Swansea will be published soon in the coming days.

2. A great review, but what a mess created by Moss!!

   I hope UA ensures AW has a copy of this review – to use as mitigation in whatever kangaroo
   court the FA drag him into.

   Oliver did not seem to do anything positive to help Moss referee fairly or competently.

3. Bjtgooner,

   Thanks. I think you mean Anthony Taylor not Oliver 🙂

4. Referee Jon Moss had made one big call error of judgement in the game when he ought to have awarded Arsenal a penalty but he didn’t when a Claret clearly pushed a Gunner down on his back deliberately in the box during the 1st half of the match. But later awarded a penalty to Burnley when Coquelin appeared to have impeded an onrushing Claret in the box when his tackling fell him down.

   This could be the reason for Le Prof to have allegedly called ref Jon Moss a “cheat” and when referee Anthony Taylor the 4th official, heard this, he invited ref Jon Moss to the touchline and told him what Le Prof has said. And in turn referee Jon Moss actted on the report to send Le Prof to the stands. But why didn’t ref Anthony Taylor ignore a touchline side talks by a manager instead of him to have taken issues with Le Prof on it? This is bad.

   I watched today’s11:00am GMT Sky Sports 3 man panelists’ review of last night ELC match between Liverpool and Southampto. But I totally disagreed with their opinions that Origi was not forcefully brought down in the box by a Saint defender who tackled him to warrant the ref to give a pen to Liverpool. To the 3 panelists, it wasn’t a penalty. But to me it’s is despite that I am not an amateur nor a professional referee. If the incident is carefully watched, one can see that the Saint defender got the ball in his tackling, but he then quickly raised up his thigh which fell Origi down as he noticed Origi wasn’t giving up going after the ball that spined away after he applied his tackling. That raising up of the thigh by the Saint defender to impede Origi going after the ball is a penalty to me.

5. Excellent review thank you

   The palpable early tilting from the very beginning could be observed from the upper tier no need to be closer.

   Perhaps there’s a reason why Moss hasn’t got his FUFA badge 😉

6. < to be closer and from such a distant perspective there was also no need to even see video replay of many of these instances described above as they could be seen from very far away…

7. Fantastic work guys! Especially for including the gifs, a nice touch to support the report plus in future the refs cannot escape scrutiny. I think it may be worth keeping the video clips/ gifs for a dossier of some sort for a future article.

8. Marney may not have gotten a red at 72:37, but he did injure himself in this play? I thought I read that it was a play involving Alexis, not Mesut. In any event, Marney’s season is done.

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9. This was a poorly referee’d match, but 5 missed Burnley reds?!? Seriously? And the Giroud high boot a red? This is just silly…your interpretation of the laws of the game isn’t even semi-reasonable here.

   I applaud the effort to do this, but this particular report is nowhere near grounded in reality. This review was as bad as the referee’s performance.

10. Scuba
    Walter does make the point a few times that he is judging the 5 missed Burnley reds by the same strict criteria Moss applied for the Xhaka red card.

11. For those who want to use abusive words in their first post: you will not make it to the site.

    As MickHazel said we applied the Xhaka red card as a benchmark and applied the rules as strict as Moss did in that instance.
    Of course if the ref had done his job when he had to do it =(from the start of the match) there would have been no 5 red cards. As the players would have adapted. Now they did what they wanted as they knew they would get away with it. Apart from Xhaka.

    Of course instead of abusing, you could always come up with a real alternative. Please use the laws of the game to do this.

12. @ Scuba – Yeah, how about you go over those 5 missed reds and using your incomprehensibly in-depth knowledge of the laws of the game, tell us exactly why they weren’t reds and what should have been given instead.

    Comments like yours are just so frustrating, because it’s so obvious that you saw “5 missed red cards” and without having even looked at the challenges, nor having an even moderate understanding of the laws of the game (unlike the people that make these reviews), immediately thought to yourself “oh, 5 red cards?! That must be a load of rubbish!”.

13. I gather you have never officiated anything over kindergarten football and that this vast experience makes you an expert. However, as others have pointed out to you on UA, Walter and Usama’s premise was that , had there been consistent officiating, there would have either been no red cards issued or at least 6, based on what Moss seemed to be doing. Next time try and read the article with your glasses on,please!

14. I must admit I didn’t see the Barton fouls, even though I know how evil the little swine is. The 26min Defour foul on Xhaka was a red both for the deliberate kick from behind & the subsequent push, which incidentally was within clear sight of cheating Moss.

    I do not agree with the Xhaka red because he went in single foot in what is generally accepted in EPL as a robust challenge. But this is Arsenal & Xhaka so red it was, though the review should have been more lenient. The verbal assistance by the Burnley players while Moss was walking towards his assistant is unprofessional & should have been attended to by the FA. The number 8 interferes with the decision by telling the assistant his opinion followed by encouragement to Moss. All of this is unacceptable behaviour & Wenger should use all this in his private hearing.

15. It’s a good thing Arsenal prepared for this.
    This is why the squad is somewhat bigger this year, players are coming and going injured or rested and the squad mentality of being more than just 11 players on the field is surely growing stronger.

    Anyway, let’s see the others start to flounder and Arsenal should be still going strong to end of season, not withstanding the blatant attempts to “cripple” us.

16. Scuba, just have a look at the events. You may not consider them all as red cards BUT for a tackle like Lowton on Alexis (33mins) to have no card at all is ridiculous for a ref that then sends off Xhaka.
    As I’ve said before, if the ref is being a stickler for the rules then I can understand the Xhaka red as one of the ferdys from $iteh got the same a few weeks back, but Moss already proved he’s an arse by his previous red card on Xhaka (when we see the same tackle pretty much every single weekend with a yellow as the worst result…) and his officiating in this game was ridiculously inconsistent.

17. Can we send this ref review to Wenger so he can use it when talking to the FA.

18. Also noted the eagerness with which Moss called the Burnley penalty, -like he was looking for an opportunity to award it, compared to the reluctant recognition that he had to give the second one,

19. A great job , guys . Do hope someone would use this to discredit the PIGMOB .

20. Excellent report as usual from the team. Keep up the excellent work.

21. @Usama

    Agreed – Taylor. Thanks.

22. I see Moss made another major balls up last night, awarding Hull a penalty because two of their players ran into each other.

    Bit rich of the Moaning One to say the score was 1-1 though, after all the non penalties his teams get.

    He also had a dig at Arsene getting sent off. Moron!

23. “Koscielny is offside when the cross goes in. Koscielny makes contact with the ball so he is involved at that moment and the offside should have been given.”

    And this from an earlier post from Omgarsenal’s, who I believe is also a referee:
    “For those claiming that Kos was offside, that is incorrect- he was in an offside position but not given offside, because he did not interfere with play…..and was not taking advantage of his position nor interfering with an opponent or gaining an advantage by being in that position ”

    What am I missing here?

24. @ Norman14 – Moss also failed to send off Rojo for another two footed challenge worse than that committed by Xhaka.

25. Thanks for that. Quite shocking, and reading this, amazing to think the media/WOB are outraged at poor Burnleys misfortune in losing this game.
    Cannot think of many of the top teams where refs would dare put in such performances at the home of these teams.
    Despite a decent win record under him, I really hope we see the last of Moss this season, he is not fit to referee on a number of levels. My only worry is that when tech help comes in, someone like Moss will be hidden away in some studio deciding matches
    Was he incompetent …or something else? Certainly the former, but a cursory glance at through FIF, and the gutted look on his face at the end of the game after his linesman flagged a pen may suggest something else.
    More of the same against Southampton, another team who know the profits from kicking and cheating against our players

26. Mandy Dodd
    The referee has the ultimate say so he could have overruled the linesman and not given the penalty.
    Please don’t think I am sticking up for Moss who reminds me of a Teletubby both in appearance and ability…..
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/baIhR1CdLHg/maxresdefault.jpg

27. Good piece again guys, I always enjoy the reviews there were some definite errors there in this game. But again I think this has more to john moss being poor than any bias. Of course the big question should be will we ever see the consistency in decision making when each game is refereed by different people who apply the laws of the game given on their interpretation of what they have witnessed. Will video referees help completely from my rugby background there will still be times when camera angles and replays available to video ref make for inconclusive decision.
    What would be nice is if there was a ref cam and you could see those incidents at same speed and angle he does and if they were allowed after games to clarify decisions they made during game would give them a better image than they have right now. These guys do a hard job where abuse from fans and players and managers is common place .