REF REVIEW BOURNEMOUTH – ARSENAL:

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1. Michael Oliver does appear to be our best referee. I think this in spite of PGMO rather than because of their excellent training and development programme 😉

2. Just a bit off topic, but I notice that there are two PGMO domain names that relate to OUR PGMOL.

   They are: pgmol.co.uk and pgmo.co.uk

   The Registrant for both is listed as F.A. Premier League Limited.

   Wonder why they don’t use them?

   Maybe there is a place for PGMORONS. co.uk 😉

3. i think the disallowed goal was not a handball, as the bournemouth player was moving away from the ball and thus had no intent of touching the ball
   though there were a couple of possible offsides in the build up so it still shouldn’t have stood, probably

4. OlegYch
   He twisted his body to allow the ball to go past him and as he twisted his hands moved toward the ball and deflected it goalwards. He could have twisted the other way and deflected the ball the other way couldn’t he but he obviously knew that by doing that there was no chance of a goal. He could have just let the ball hit him on the chest. Definitely deliberate, no argument.

5. Mustafi should have been sent off rather than just yellow carded for persistent fouling after cynically stopping a breakaway counter attack in the first half that went unpunished and is not mentioned in this otherwise superbly thorough review. A “taking one for the team” type foul – we all know the kind.

   Also think Bellerin goes over too easily following the Fraser challenge. It’s a shame Cech is in the way at the optimum moment on the replay but he looks like he digs his boot into the turf and just trips himself over. Remember that Ryan Fraser is barely 2ft tall and struggles to hurt flies.

   Finally, the Oxlade-Chamberlain foul on Fraser caused him to leave the pitch injured. Although Ox got the ball the challenge was from behind and got a lot of the man before it got the ball.

6. Mick, he doesn’t seem to move his hands towards the ball
   i imagine if he didn’t try to ‘make his frame smaller’ by moving arms close to chest, and just left them flailing, the ball would still have deflected in the same way from his chest
   from my experience playing football if you have your hands close to your chest there is no way to make a meaningful impact with them, certainly not when ball is moving at such a high speed

7. holloway, re Mustafi, you mean the same way Xhaka was sent off against Swansea? yeah that would make sense if Moss was in charge
   re Bellerin the other angles clearly show that he was pushed in the back, if he trips after that is irrelevant
   re Ox, compare that to https://gfycat.com/WelloffAromaticIbisbill that’s what a reckless tackle is (and your hero Moss doesn’t even call it)

8. A great report but a couple of glaring errors on your behalf:

   “Both players chased after the ball inside the Arsenal’s half, when Fraser used his forearm to push Bellerin in the back. This should have been a foul for Arsenal but was not given.

   It was a very similar forearm push to what Xhaka did on Fraser in the first half.”

   WRONG! The push on Fraser was most definitely from behind for the penalty, which you have correctly called. The incident above was definitely NOT from behind, he did NOT push him in the back. Fraser approached Bellerin from the side, it was a shoulder to shoulder challenge, which is still allowed.

   The Wilson disallowed ‘goal’ is a strange one. He certainly did not deliberately move his arms towards the ball, he had probably less than a second to get out of the way of the shot, it hit him, he didn’t move his arms towards the ball. The referee apparently said afterwards that the rules of the game mean he had to disallow it, as the shot was not on target, he had no choice.

   However, that goes against the goal Koscielny scored for you guys at Burnley earlier in the season, when the header from Oxlade was going wide, it hits Kos on the arms and goes in, nothing he could do of course but it affected the goal being scored. So that too, should have been disallowed, or both of these goals should have been given.

   Your report does also provide good evidence that Mustafi was a very lucky man to stay on the pitch, with several yellow card challenges being missed!

   Overall though, a very impressive report, just need to amend the glaring error regarding the Fraser shoulder challenge 😉

9. Dave,

   If you freeze the image about the Bellerin foul you can see that the arm of Fraser went out and made contact with the back of Bellerin. So using the arm means it wasn’t a shoulder to shoulder push as you say. If I could enter images in a comment I would do it but this seems impossible because of the software used.

10. We may have to disagree on this then! I just watched it back several times on YouTube, the most you could suggest is that Fraser pushes the top of his right arm, slightly behind but from the side. It’s one handed as well. It is not an actual full on push from behind, as he is side by side to Bellerin. This is totally different from the earlier penalty push 🙂

11. and now reading this: “On side note, if you take out the wrong goal that Bournemouth scored we probably would have won the game. From 3-3 to 2-3. No offense to Michael Oliver (he was excellent as shown above), but that wrong goal was one of the differences between us winning and drawing.”

    That really depends on your bias in this game! Most believe the ‘wrong goal’ was absolutely fine, this included various pundits after the game.

    As Arsenal really should have been down to ten men before AFCB received the red card and had the Wilson ‘goal’ been allowed to stand [ as your winning goal at Burnley was ], it could have been 4-0 and an extra man during the second half.

12. Dave, Koscielny was much closer to the ball than the Burnley player so the cases can’t be directly compared, and besides Ox did not touch the ball, you might want to watch the episode again.

13. I still say that *if* the referee stated it’s an automatic disallowed goal if hands deflect the ball into the net, then both should have been chalked off…or…both allowed as neither player could get out of the way of the ball 🙂

14. ‘If’ the referees were honest then there would be 25 of them (with some geographical & ethnic difference) with a new batch of 3 or 4 each year. The PGMOL, the FA & probably the EPL collude to create a false image of honesty while in actual fact they are probably the most dishonest representation of football.

    Mustafi’s barge was possibly a foul as the Bournemouth player was looking for the dive with brass knobs on.
    However, the foul on Bellerin was exactly that as Bellerin did not dive but was pushed to the ground.

15. Menace – now that is just being daft. Mustafi made four of five fouls during the game, to get just the one yellow was baffling at the time, most would agree.

    It’s been only Arsenal fans that felt the challenge on Bellerin was a foul. He was out muscled and out paced.

16. Dave, players from other teams often have 6 or more fouls without even a yellow, and you think 5 fouls makes an automatic red? Now that’s what i call daft.

17. Outmuscled is what a dim assed commentator calls a brutal assault. The Laws do not legislate for strength being the victor. Football allows the smallest to compete with the largest. English interpretation is big is best & therefore anyone bigger must be stronger. But the stronger in football varies according to the team playing. Any Arsenal strength is a foul whilst any strength against Arsenal is ‘outmuscled’ ‘robust’ or some such bollocks.

    So Mr Watkins take your daft with a drop of humility & ask yourself why is Arsenal so damned good at a game despite the most biased corrupt media, officials & commentators. Wenger is the only manager to have predicted his team would go undefeated & succeeded. It has pissed off several contenders for dickhead of the year & still does.

    The great news is that Spuds are losing to Wycombe – despite the officials….

18. Oleg – let me more plain – Mustafi made at least three yellow card fouls. So that usually means two yellows at least by the law of averages. It was stated in various places after the game that he was lucky to avoid receiving two yellow cards during the game.

    Menace – ok, I see I am not going to get anywhere with you, I was being as balanced as possible but I think you have some major red and white blinkers. Arsenal got some decisions that night, others may have gone AFCB’s way, the major incident for me was the Wilson disallowed goal – fair enough if officials HAVE to disallow those but that doesn’t explain Koscielny versus Burnley.

    I also have to say, the Oxlade tackle on Fraser, which would have been game over for sure, was a fantastic tackle, despite many suggesting it could have been a penalty and a red card.