22 responses

  1. Jenik Carl
    08/04/2011

    Nice Article… Although I dont really believe a lot of doom predicted for the big clubs is going to happen. Sooner or later, the big businesses always find a way out through whichever way be it creative accounting or getting the rules changed.

  2. Dark Prince
    08/04/2011

    I’ll again say what i had said a long time ago regarding the financial fair play rules – Big clubs will get a way around it.

    Many months ago, this very same site told how ManU will not be able to follow the rules bcoz of massive losses and now we’re being told that they’re running a profit according to the rules??

    Thats why i said, big clubs will have a way around these rules. UEFA need the big clubs for their own revenue, so dont expect them to hit the hammer on their own finger. The fact that the Financial Fair play was originally meant to start from the 2010-11,but was postponed by Uefa till 2013 says it all.

    Guys, wake up and smell the coffee, no one is going to get banned.

  3. Shard
    08/04/2011

    I have to agree with Dark Prince in that regard. I do not think the rules are going to be applied fairly across the board. Certain big clubs are too important for UEFA’s revenues to leave them out. The likes of ManCity may get banned though, if nothing else but to make a show of seriousness about the rules, though I doubt even that will happen.

    But I think the article said as much anyway. That UEFA are basically not going to act. They will shut their eyes to all the madness going on, and eventually the madness will claim its own victims.

  4. gooner80
    08/04/2011

    there is never going to be a level playing field, the champions league would end up like the europa league over night if the big clubs werent allowed in and the competition would be discredited because the best teams werent allowed to pay, the perceived power of UEFA / fifa would be embarrassed because the big clubs could make their own competition set their own tv revenues and sky would pay it, the greedy clubs like barca would gladly cut schalke, shaktar out of a piece of the pie, the golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules.

    personally I would like to see a competition where each league nominates their all stars and you have premier all stars versus la liga all stars and so on.

    The scary thing for me with arsenal is we have adapted the ajax model and I confess I dont know the reason why it failed but it did and ajax were very successful.

  5. walter
    08/04/2011

    I think it all went wrong the day Uefa asked JL Dehaene to be president of the committee that would look at things. I even wrote an article about it here on Untold. Seems a century ago.
    And I then warned: if Uefa take on this Belgium former politician to implement the FFP rules, it would lead to nothing.
    Because JL Dehaene is know in Belgium for doing nothing. Oh, and when he did something it was such a terrible law that if you asked 100 people how the rules should be read you got at least 110 different answers.

    I then hoped I would be wrong but it seems that I was right with my prediction.

  6. Richard B
    08/04/2011

    The one thing we can be sure of is that, in order to comply, all other clubs (other, that is, from Arsenal) will have to change the way they operate. And change always entails risk.
    Chelsea have already done things like not renewing the contracts of Ballack, Deco, Cole etc. that they would not have done had it not been for the FFP regulations. And one glance at the table shows what effect that has had in weakening Chelseas position this season. The sale of Ronaldo by Manure probably falls under the same heading. Yes, they may still win the league, but they have never sold their best player before, at any price, and it’s likely that it’s to do with proving that their balance sheet is ‘moving in the right direction’.
    Spurs are talking today of ‘streamlining their squad’ because it’s bigger than anyone elses – when we all know that all squads are 25 players strong so that’s bollocks designed for uninformed City ears and to demonstrate to UEFA that they are ‘moving in the right direction’ despite still not getting a new stadium and still being managed by a serial bankrupter of clubs.
    The most common mistake when assessing the effects of change is to over estimate them in the short term and to under estimate them in the long term. Change is already happening and the effects of that change are already noticable. But in five years time (and maybe a lot less) football could look quite different to how it looks now and those differences will suit Arsenal very nicely thank you.

  7. Uncle Mike
    08/04/2011

    Don’t worry, the other clubs and UEFA will find a way to screw Arsenal. They always do.

    If you’ve ever seen the U.S.-based TV show “NCIS,” you know that sometimes paranoia is justified: “Rule Number 40: If it seems like someone is out to get you… they are.”

  8. Richard B
    08/04/2011

    If UEFA wanted to screw Arsenal they wouldn’t be publicly holding them up as the template by which they want all clubs to be run in the future. And the other clubs have’ where they can, tried to screw us by spending money that they don’t have. And their main screwdriver is being taken away from them!

  9. Ugandan Goon
    08/04/2011

    Cripes! Master William Mcgraw,
    is it capitalism for the poor and communism for the rich all over again? of course it is.
    the posturing is ridiculous until you realise just what a logistical nightmare is involved if you were going to rigorously delve into the finances of football clubs and just how many layers of specialist paper pushers are in for a big pay day, and of course the backhand brigade will be warming their envelope passing hands and various branches of the tax offices of various counties will be doing their best for the tax dodging elite all on our coin. the future looks muddy, the future looks vodaphoney, Oh bollocks!- Give me my arsenal to take the pain away and please god, blight the trolls with leprosy and open sores they’re ruining Untold for Me.

  10. RedGooner
    08/04/2011

    Tony/Walter/Billy,
    Totaly off topic I know, Id like to ask a question though.
    What if anything have you heard about an immenent announcement from the Arsenal board as quoted on Arseblog the other day ?

    Whats your thoughts on the youth chamions league due to start this summer with group games and a knockout phase in january.
    Do you feel it will be unbalanced as most clubs have all their youth out on loan to gain experience and only spanish clubs will benefit as they play together in the second divison ?

    Sorry about been off topic there was no where to ask these questions Regarding financial fair play. I think most people will believe it when they see it.

  11. Shard
    08/04/2011

    @Ugandan Goon

    Your comments are an absolute joy..Even in their lack of joy..if that makes any sense..

  12. Ugandan Goon
    08/04/2011

    @shard,
    When you see thoroughly dysfunctional organizations trying to reposition themselves for another big pay day, it is amazing just what shiny new dawn is promised to keep the proles looking in the other direction while the sharks slip into position out of sight. no one believes they can carry it off or that they have thought this out thoroughly, the only reason anyone has tried to cut costs on players is the credit crunch and the recession, but what better time to come out sabre rattling than when you enemy is preoccupied with surviving a bigger threat! it would go a long way if anyone could explain the qatar world cup just for starters.

  13. Shard
    08/04/2011

    I agree Ugandan Goon..That’s a good point. It actually is quite amazing when you think about it, that there isn’t a larger acknowledgment that there is bound to be rampant corruption in the game..From people in general I mean, I understand why none of the media will talk about it. I mean, just the vast sums of money alone would be enough. But when you factor in that they operate in a world where there are no clear laws, no defined jurisdictions, and that they are only answerable to themselves and no one else, then how can anyone in their right minds not agree that there is bound to be corruption?

    I was shocked to see that at the start of the World Cup in South Africa, when after the opening ceremony Jacob Zuma and Blatter went to meet the players, it was Sepp Blatter who took precedence.. Doesn’t that have to be some sort of a breach of protocol? Or does the FIFA president outrank a Head of State?

  14. Ugandan Goon
    08/04/2011

    while we’re on the subject of finance- there have been pockets of fans calling dein back to the club, i am yet to so read a convincing argument against our current financial model. everyone is tightening their belts and yet we should throw money around?
    50 million, say, for a world class striker, proven in the premiership, with champions league experience?

  15. Shard
    08/04/2011

    @Ugandan Goon

    I am yet to hear a convincing argument from all who say that Wenger should go, or that we need massive changes. They have one or two reasonable, and reasonably good points, but when you force them to put it in context and build the argument as a whole, then you realise it’s all bluster and very little substance. It’s just headless chickens running around in the belief that the sky is about to fall on their heads… Yes, it is as ridiculous as that.

  16. Mandy Dodd
    08/04/2011

    @Redgooner – picked up on the imminent board announcement a couple days ago on Arseblog.
    He did not seem to know much about the forthcoming announcement, but did say Lady Nina was becoming conspicuous by her presence at recent games, and he suspected the whole thing may have “an orange glow about it” – which I assume is a reference to Usmanov.
    Just hope it isnt Usmanov doing too much anyway – if in charge, he would certainly be prone to breach the fair play rules!
    Pure speculation but maybe just Nina selling her shares to Usmanov but even if she did, would imagine Stan + board would not allow a takeover – heres hoping!
    Or maybe Deins coming back! Sorry being very silly there!
    Guess we will find out soon if there is actually anything going on.

  17. Ugandan Goon
    08/04/2011

    @shard,
    Clearly, the worlds meanest party organizers have decided they are going to step up the entry fee by employing more of their friends to riffle through your pockets anywhere they chose right across the planet!
    World government sucks!

  18. RedGooner
    08/04/2011

    @ Mandy thanks should be interesting indeed 🙂

  19. Shard
    08/04/2011

    Anybody see Wenger’s press conference? I know there will be, and already are, people who take his comments out of context, and call for blood on the streets, but I love it when Arsene comes out fighting. He makes some good points too, but I think part of him wanted to just stick the knife into the more fickle fans. I guess that sort of attitude will not be to everyone’s liking, but as I said, I love it when he fights back.

  20. RedGooner
    09/04/2011

    @ Shard, I agree with the part would you swap the FA cup for chamions league qualifiaction each year.Id sooner have 0 FA Cups and 15 champions league qualifications even it means listening to we won nothing for 6 years.

    The points he make are valid and a lot of our frustration is as much to do with the crap the media are saying about us winning nothing more than going through 6 years without a trophy. we have gone longer before and it seemed shorter because every muppet out there wasnt constantly on about it.

  21. Mandy Dodd
    09/04/2011

    Agree Shard – his comments oozed intelligence.
    Sections of the media and so called fans will brand him a satisfied loser as you say but these fans need to get over themselves and as for the media, we all know their agenda…
    The fact is, we are competing against clubs financed by billionaires, a club who has half the refs, the FA and most British managers in its pockets and we are not doing so badly.
    Great to hear Wenger on the attack.
    There will be many interpretations on his words,I believe he is categorically telling all and sundry he has not been given the finances, at least not until very recently.
    There are a few things wrong that need to be fixed – for instance some of the Barca pressing and work ethic would not go amiss. I also think a revamp of coaching staff would help
    My favorite bit of all – he would love to manage us for another 20 years!
    Wenger has not helped by saying things to the effect that if this team do not win silverware in the next couple of years – he will have failed….but this press conference seems to be a new stance.
    Wenger, unlike Jose and to a lesser extent, Arry is not a quick fix merchant and never will be. Fans cannot take silverware for granted – look at what we are up against.
    Some fans seem to have imploded after the Carling Cup – if this competition hits them so badly, says a lot about them as fans.
    On a happy note, we have Lee Mason as ref this weekend, you know – they guy who managed to single handedly get the Mancs back in the game when 2-0 down against West Ham. Should befun1

  22. GoonerVance
    11/04/2011

    Who honestly didn’t see this coming? Did you really expect the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, and Barcelona to be excluded from European tournaments because their books aren’t in order.

    Anyway, when is Arsenal going to start fighting fire with fire and stop thinking that one day Jesus Christ himself will come down and tame the sharks and the lions and make sure all Football Clubs live within their means. Maybe Wenger should be president of UEFA when he eventually leaves Arsenal, as I have faith in Wenger’s moral code(although I wouldn’t leave him alone with my wife).

    What is it they say about the victors writing history? Well, this is it. The victors are Man United and Barcelona and they are the ones who write the UEFA rules. If Arsene Wenger wants to have the authority to re-write the way football is run he has to win (I think he knows this), but the question is, “Do we have enough in the squad to pull this off?”. If the answer is “YES” (Wenger’s answer is YES) then we sit and wait for these players to get us to the promise land. If the answer is “NO”…

    The next question is, “Does spending 30 million pounds on players to improve the team hurt our perceived righteousness?”…If the answer is “YES” (Wenger’s answer would be YES) then sit and wait for these players to pull off a miracle. If the answer is “NO”, then we go out there, buy the pieces needed to get us to the mountain top and we worry about paying off that money later.

    The most important thing to do is to WIN, the next important thing to do is remember why we want to win. It is not just because we want glory for Arsenal, but because we want to show the world that Building a club around A FEW PURCHASED PLAYERS is just as effective as just splashing cash on every free agent on the market.

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