22 responses

  1. El Tel
    27/04/2012

    Although I love your hard work Guys without all your efforts a large number of Arsenal fans have known for years that we get dumped on by the FA and their Gang (Refs).

    I would love for you to be able to get your hard work to make a difference. Do you not send your findings to the FA and any media outlet which isnt Manc obsessed?

    Keep going Guys as it makes me happy knowing that what I see as injustice is being documented.

  2. Tom
    27/04/2012

    I’ve always been of the opinion that there is a foreigner bias in the Premiership .A foreign player makes most of a faul because he is a cheat and a diver, English player does the same thing ,and he is just trying to help his team(Gerard),or lost his balance(Ashley Young). Foreign player gets frustrated with his teammates (Arsenal’s Gallas) and throws a fit ,and he is unprofessional and a disgrace , English player does the same (Jamie Carrager ) and it’s a show of character and caring. English referees are instructed to communicate their decisions and instruct the players (as if players didn’t know the rules) during games and this only compounds the problem as it’s easier for a referee to be lenient after a bad Paul Scholles tackle and heavy lobbying from Rooney or Ferdinand ,as oppose to some foreign player who might not even speak English. Having Alex Ferguson on sidelines is in itself worth about five to ten points in a season. During some home games one might confuse the fourth official for a member of Man U bench , with all the joking and smiling going around.

  3. malaysian gunner
    27/04/2012

    Thay is why Arsenal or for that matter MC or any other team will find it tough to wrestthe epl from MU. And that iswhy SAF will find i tough dominate the cl.He’s like a big fish or shark in a small pond.
    I am getting tired of reading how great a manager he is. Btw since he is the greatest manager in the epl only,why not take the challenge of turning Wigan/Wolves or even Everton and turn any of these teams into epl champs oe even aplace in the ep.

  4. marcus
    27/04/2012

    Is this comprehensive?

    Van Persie offsides at Man C

    Should be loads more penalties not given to Arsenal in the list

  5. walter
    27/04/2012

    Marcus, I just wanted to show what they (as non Arsenal supporters) came up with. You are right they didn’t count the RVP offside goal because ‘it was close”… yes it was but he was onside so it should have been counted.

    But this highlights the difference between what we and they do. But I sure would want to give them credit for their work. It is a good attempt to see how things go in general. But not complete….

  6. walter
    27/04/2012

    El Tel,
    I hope that when we produce our final reports we will be able to send it to other people in some way. Something we will have to talk about with the other people involved in this project of course.

    I do hope we can produce something like a team report, a ref report for every team and ref in the PL this season. And lots and lots more reports….

  7. Johnny Deigh
    27/04/2012

    I would like to think that Untold, among other publications, are having their part in exposing the irregularities in the English game.

    Have there ever been so many managers speaking out against bad decisions as they have been doing recently?

  8. Mahdain
    27/04/2012

    thanks for pointing this out Walter..i had personally tweeted them and tell them about how their numbers tend to mislead people and that they cant call their table as “real” pl table since they dont review the whole matches..you can imagine the answer i got. yeah the one about “we have lives to live and only do this for pleasure not for a living”…thing is i have always been critical of them as they are misleading people..Man Utd fans use it as “proof” that they are not being favoured when infact they are and then you have the “it was too close to call” bit which apparently makes it a right decision…and they also managed to miss the 10+ penalties that were not awarded to us

  9. Adam
    27/04/2012

    “It all evens out, over the course of a season”. You’ve got to love that comment. Basically Riley is making the public aware of mistakes to come. I vote we put him in charge of a nuclear power plant.

  10. bob
    27/04/2012

    Walter,
    It’s great to read about a distinction with a difference — that is, what you call us to realized between Untold and DD.

    Now here’s a distinction without a difference:
    FIFA announces testing of two different goal-line video systems to prevent the problem that is not a problem. One is called Hawk-Eye, the other is called GoalRef. On second thought, the difference will be the winner of the contract to install this useless technology, a proverbial bridge to nowhere. What will be more interesting is any linkages that might come to light in the contract-award process. It will be worth millions to whoever gets the contract. There are so many scenarios to consider once it’s announced how FIFA has finally cleaned up the game for the greater good. The costs, of course, are huge: (1) the insult of getting a band aid to fix a hemorrhage – when Full Video Replay is needed; and (2) the probable indirect pass-along increase in ticket prices to finance the purchase of these systems. (Does anyone think FIFA will actually pay for this useless boondoggle out of its own coffers?)

    Behold: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/27/fifa-goalline-technology

  11. bob
    27/04/2012

    Walter, (Tony, please take note),
    I would hope that your end of season review of last season does not go to the worms. I thought it was brilliant, if a stepping stone to this season’s tour de force to come. There should be a review of it, because it was both an accurate summation of the Rednose IX and a prescient predictor of the Rednose XX. At least a link so people can realize it existed, and re-read it for themselves. Perhaps you are too modest or know its worts, but it was a landmark study which, I feel, has been bullied into obscurity because it could/would be perceived as too pro-Arsenal to be serious. Well bollocks to that. You have that rare blend of skill and integrity and that report is a landmark. It would be great if it got re-surfaced in a near future article on what happened last season as prelude to the Great Turnaround to be.

  12. bob
    27/04/2012

    p.s. In case anyone ever thought that Seep Bladder was anything less than a massive first-class hero of a man: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/02/sepp-blatter-ifab-goalline-technology?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

  13. iniez
    27/04/2012

    @Mahdain, I agree completely about manu fans using it as proof, the problem is they’ll take anything as evidence because they’re convinced there’s nothing wrong. Honestly though you can’t really tell someone their team is winning the league because it’s bent and expect them to believe it, but it gets even more difficult when there’s supposed “evidence” that somewhat negates your argument or at least gives them a counter-argument. That’s really the only problem I have with debatable decisions, while their intentions may be in the right place, their facts aren’t so much. I don’t see anyone other than Untold doing as good a job but I can’t use it as believable proof because it’s an arsenal site (and I mean believable in that because we’re arsenal fans we’ll be biased to further our own ‘agenda’), even though I’m very proud of how unbiased this site actually is. My concern is that debatable decisions, and similar sites, are maybe more believable to fans outside the arsenal sphere because Untold is run by arsenal fans and others simply won’t believe there’s no arsenal bias going on. And it’s a real shame because the work being done here is nothing short of spectacular, and I really only pray that other fans notice the amount of work that goes into this blog and how unbiased it really is. I think this will happen though, the ref reviews are really gaining momentum and it’s amazing how far it’s gone since it first started

  14. bob
    27/04/2012

    iniez,
    Yes, one issue: tribal mentality that cannot and will not consider that everything exists through their tribal lens on reality.
    The other issue: how to get people to do what’s good to change reality to help their own side by being fair to all sides. To me, this is what UA/Ref Reviews especially is doing.

  15. bob
    27/04/2012

    iniez,
    To me, I’ve seen nothing more scary in football as the celebration at Old Toilet of the willfully blind ManUrites cheering like zombies in riveted unison as Don Fungus did his victory jig, and vanNestlerooy his victory slide, and Micky R his stop Arsenal call and called it an honest victory. To me, it is THE TEXTBOOK CASE in the self-deception that gives a certain species a very bad reputation. I would love to see ManShitty win this tainted title to deny those zombies and their offspring and seasoned ticket holders the fruit of the Rednose XX.

  16. Abdulaziz Alfarhoud
    28/04/2012

    Good points Walter, i tried to see some ref mistakes for Arsenal before i wrote article here, i found that they are bias & on some matches they said the refs did good decisions but in fact it was against Arsenal !

    SEE THIS PHOTO FROM MAN CITY AWAY GAME “SEE THIS PHOTO BY OPENING THE LINK”
    http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg827/scaled.php?server=827&filename=aowvjiiceaee9ti.jpg&res=landing

    The Ref was Phil Dowd:
    1- he didn’t sent out Kolo Tour for his Tackle to Ramsey inside the Penalty Area so it should be a penalty.
    2- Richard’s handball ” penalty
    3- Robin Van Persie scored an onside goal not offside & he cancelled it.

    i went to Debate Decision site & i found bias answers they said all Phill Dowd decisions are CORRECT ??????

    this is the link for their page about the match
    http://www.debatabledecisions.com/debatable-decision-week-16

    IF ANYONE want some photo about ref wrong calls, just follow me ( @azizalfarhoud ) & tell me about.

    Thanks walter for your article !

  17. Mandy Dodd
    28/04/2012

    Good to see our home crowd starting to out these refs.
    Articles about certain refs all over very well used web sites, wonder how long they can continue, or if they will merely change their form in some way?

  18. Menace
    28/04/2012

    @ Adam – I just love the idae of Riley in charge of a nuclear plant……
    It will really even itself out………after the meltdown and big bang!!!

  19. bob
    28/04/2012

    Menace,
    It’s already been Riley-san’s part time job, can you tell?

  20. Stuart
    28/04/2012

    Would it be possible to break down the incorrect given and not given into the area in pitch ie free kick not awarded in own third or attacking third? I think these would also be a factor to consider with the uneven playing field as it could make the bias even more serious if say for example Man Utd only get fouls made by them which are not called in their opponents goal area.

  21. Mozicz
    29/04/2012

    Walter, I will like to know how many 50/50 descision goes in favour of MAN U?

  22. none
    30/04/2012

    It would have interesting to see DogFace’s preview for the Manc Derby.

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