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The refs and QPR, Aston Villa, Stoke, Sunderland and Norwich City

By Walter Broeckx

Does it help to have the QPR  owner sponsoring the PGMOL?

At the start of the season some voices spoke in concern about the fact that the sponsor of Queens Park Rangers also sponsored the refs organisation PGMOL.

Let us say that this isn’t the ideal situation to have. Could the sponsor put pressure on the organisation in one way or the other? It surely isn’t right. But on the other hand wasn’t it at Bolton that a Queens Park Rangers goal was not given when the ball had clearly passed the line?   So move along, there is nothing to see after all!

Were the refs as mediocre as Aston Villa this season?

Aston Villa had a very bleak season. In fact the only thing that could turn the fans on a bit was a late fight against relegation when suddenly things went from bad to worse.  But it all went well at the very end of the season for the Birmingham based team. But was it because of the refs helping them a bit or was it the other way round? Did they get in trouble because of the refs not giving them the decisions they should get?

Do the refs hate Stoke as much as some Arsenal supporters do?

Well I don’t know but I think things will never come good between some Arsenal supporters and their Stoke counterparts.

I’m not going to go in to detail too much at this point but I think this is the team that a lot of Arsenal supporters don’t like at all after what happened to Ramsey two seasons ago. Kicking players to pieces, their time wasting, throw in tactics, pushing the keeper around for fun. It hasn’t made a lot of friends around the country.

But do the refs join in, in knocking Stoke? Or do they like Stoke in a way? Is it maybe the fact that Stoke represents the old football values of long forgotten days that the refs still have a soft spot for them?

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Prepare to be very surprised on this one.

Did Sunderland have the refs against them in the big decisions?

Sunderland had a mixed season. After a while in the season things turned a bit bad and they sacked their manager. In came O’Neil and he turned their season a bit. So their end position in the league was in the middle. How much influence was there from the refs in that finish? Did they have a few lucky moments with the refs?  Or was it just all down to the super class of their centre forward?

Was Norwich an easy victim for the refs?

The first year in the PL back after a few years out can be very tough indeed. How would the team do? They did rather well.

But how did the refs do when they came to Norwich? I do seem to remember one game where they were lucky a bit. Was it against Bolton or was it Blackburn? But I also remember them being a bit unlucky with the refs against Manchester United. Is there any line to be drawn in their campaign and how the refs did?

To find an answer to such questions you can turn to this blog in the next few weeks. Well not the complete answer because for the moment we are not yet able to review all the game (we did 40%). But I think it is fair to say we did a nice job in getting some reviews in of those teams.  We will be showing them in the next days and weeks.

Yes, Untold Arsenal is an Arsenal supporters’ blog but we have started a search to find answers to those questions not just for Arsenal games but for as many games as possible for all teams in the EPL.

We have a small team of referees who review as many games as possible each match day. And as a result we have reviewed 40% of all games in the PL last season.

And our reviewers do this by looking at the games from the first till the last second and review each incident that involves the ref. And we have judged each incident and gave points to the refs.

We now have a database of over 7000 decisions in the PL that we can link to the referees and the teams involved.

So why don’t you take a look in the next days and keep your eyes open to see if your  team has been screwed by the refs or not.

18 comments to The refs and QPR, Aston Villa, Stoke, Sunderland and Norwich City

  • WalterBroeckx

    More questions and the answers will be coming from Monday.

  • Paul

    Further to QPR’s goal that wasn’t awarded against Bolton, QPR was at the wrong end of a bad referee decision back in November against West Brom, when a great goal from Wright-Philips was disallowed when he was wrongly ruled to have been off-side, in fact he was 2 mts on-side.

    That goal would have given QPR much needed 3 points, meaning no relegation battle on the final day, instead it ended in a 1-1 draw.

  • Philip Childs

    Stoke “pushing the keeper around for fun”? Remind me who got sent off at Stoke a few years ago, not for “pushing the keeper around for fun” but for a blatant assault on Tommy Sorensen. Step forward RVP!

  • Laundryender

    @Philip Childs. EXACTLY !!!

  • WalterBroeckx

    RVP got send off rightfully so. Did you hear us say it was normal what he did? No we were embarrassed for his behaviour.
    So the ref then did what he had to do. And you will not hear our ref reviewers complain when the ref does his job.

  • trebor63

    Stoke play well within the laws of the game most sensible fans (including Arsenal) realise this and despite our physical game we very seldom do ‘dirty’ or over the top challenges.

    Shawcross on Ramsay was a sickening injury but that type of collision could happen a million times and never cause injury. If the injury hadn’t happened I doubt anyone would have even noticed it. The ref initially didn’t even give a free kick yet alone a yellow card (never mind a red) And he admitted after the game he only gave the red card because he was the seriousness of the injury.

    The worst and most deliberate ‘assault’ I have ever seen on a pitch was by Peter Storey who ran at least 50 yards to kick at full pelt John Mahoney who was lying on the ground from a previous injury!

  • Jonto

    What a rubbish piece to have published.

  • WalterBroeckx

    LOL love it Jonto 😉

  • moocher

    Only a bloody gooner could come up with such an inane article!!

  • minty

    wait, whats that i hear? Oh yeah its the offical stats for last seasons discipline where Stoke received less yellow and red cards that Arsenal did combined, 4 red and 72 yellow cards for arsenal, for stoke, 2 red cards and 64 yellows. If you want to talk about a team being dirty and pushing and shoving then clearly Arsenal do this more than Stoke do given that they have a poorer disciplinary record last season!!

  • WalterBroeckx

    Minty,
    so you believe that every decision from the ref was correct last year?????? Do you really believe this???????
    DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS?????????????????

    If so…OH MY GOD… they do exist……

    Check the numbers how much was correct on Monday if you want Minty. If we should believe you it should be 100% correct. Well I can tell you it isn’t.

  • WalterBroeckx

    Trebor,
    I assume you are a qualified ref to judge if things are within the laws of the game or not?
    If so please join us for next season review.

    If not… we have to take your word as a “fan” on this….

  • Arvind

    Number of WUMs have increased..sadly..

  • minty

    WalterBroeckx

    here is the table for last year:

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.1/year/2011/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739

    Here is the table for the previous season (10-11)

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay/_/league/eng.1/year/2010/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739

    on both Stoke are higher in the table, therefore having less Reds and Yellows combined. I geuss you are saying that the refs are wrong every season? Well i dont believe that to be the case, nor do the refs! The season prior Stoke were lower in the table that Arsenal, so be it, they had more cards overall. I was simply stating stats which I read. I wasnt saying that the ref was correct in every situation but Arsenal had more cards than Stoke, simple as. So oh my God, they do exist I refer back to you, you know you were offering an opinion. I offered information based upon the facts found in the links above!!! Well it is correct.

  • minty – we have some tables too… and Stoke are pretty high up on them as well!

  • WalterBroeckx

    Well Minty so you just say: the ref is always right.
    If that is the only truth you accept then the PGMOL will be happy with you.

    Based on the information we gathered I can tell you …well no I’m not going to tell you what we found for now. You just have to read about it in the next days and weeks. 😉

  • WalterBroeckx

    Minty,
    Posting comments under multiple and probably false email addresses is something we don’t like over here.