By Usama and Walter Broeckx
Here we are again. Running ahead in the football world. Bringing you more and more and more and more….
Untold proudly presents it new series where we not just take a look at the referee decisions in Arsenal matches. Now as you may have seen we are going to go one step further. The first article in the series was published this morning. Here I am stepping back and giving a detailed review of what we are doing, in case anything is not clear.
The key point is that from now on we will try to have a look at the major incidents and decisions in the whole PL.
As I am writing this article I feel that I should point out that the biggest work behind the scenes is done by our contributor Usama. It is he who came up with the idea and worked it out. A big thanks goes for him and his effort.
We will try to give you all the information that you might find interesting about referees and their decisions in this series. Lots of information. First we will give you the general information as can be found on the official PL sites. In this we just mention the names of the referees and assistant referees who did the matches and the final score. This is what you see in the first table.
Referee Appointments and Results Match Day #01
| Hull City vs. Leicester City [2-1]
Referee – Mike Dean 1st Assistant Referee – Simon Long 2nd Assistant Referee – Simon Bennett Fourth Official – Lee Mason |
Burnley vs. Swansea City [0-1]
Referee – Jon Moss 1st Assistant Referee – Mick McDonough 2nd Assistant Referee – Andy Halliday Fourth Official – Anthony Taylor |
| Crystal Palace vs. West Bromwich [0-1]
Referee – Craig Pawson 1st Assistant Referee – Harry Lennard 2nd Assistant Referee – Adrian Holmes Fourth Official – Robert Madley |
Everton vs. Tottenham [1-1]
Referee – Martin Atkinson 1st Assistant Referee – Stephen Child 2nd Assistant Referee – Constantine Hatzidakis Fourth Official – Jeremey Simpson |
| Middlesbrough vs. Stoke City [1-1]
Referee – Kevin Friend 1st Assistant Referee – Ian Hussin 2nd Assistant Referee – Darren Cann Fourth Official – Nigel Miller |
Southampton vs. Watford [1-1]
Referee – Roger East 1st Assistant Referee – Richard West 2nd Assistant Referee – Mark Scholes Fourth Official – James Linington |
| Manchester City vs. Sunderland [2-1]
Referee – Robert Madley 1st Assistant Referee – Peter Kirkup 2nd Assistant Referee – Marc Perry Fourth Official – Neil Swarbrick |
Bournemouth vs. Manchester United [1-3]
Referee – Andre Marriner 1st Assistant Referee – Simon Beck 2nd Assistant Referee – Scott Ledger Fourth Official – Roger East |
| Arsenal vs. Liverpool [3-4]
Referee – Michael Oliver 1st Assistant Referee – Stuart Burt 2nd Assistant Referee – Edward Smart Fourth Official – Craig Pawson |
Chelsea vs. West Ham United [2-1]
Referee – Anthony Taylor 1st Assistant Referee – Gary Beswick 2nd Assistant Referee – Adam Nunn Fourth Official – Michael Oliver |
So far for the “boring stuff”.
Let us move on to what goes wrong in the PL. And below we find the first real interesting list. The list with the major errors made by the refs in the opening day of the season.
And to be honest we noticed 15 wrong decisions in 10 matches. That is on average 1.5 wrong decisions per match. Terrible.
List of Major Errors on Match Day #01
- Wrong Goal Against Arsenal – The foul that resulted in the freekick being scored was incorrect. [Ref – Michael Oliver]
- Wrong Goal Against Liverpool – Chambers was offside when he scored. [Ref – Michael Oliver]
- No Red Card Against Wollschied (Stoke) – Wollschied struck his arm in the back of the head of the player. [Ref – Kevin Friend]
- No Second Yellow Card Against Ward (Burnley) – Ward committed 2 yellow card offences but was only booked for one. [Ref – Jon Moss]
- No Red Card Against Lamela (Spurs) – Serious injury inducing foul play by Lamela. [Ref – Martin Atkinson]
- Wrong Penalty Against Hull City – Foul occurred outside the penalty box. [Ref – Mike Dean]
- Wrong Goal Against Hull City – the penalty that caused this goal was incorrect. [Ref – Mike Dean]
- No Red Card Against Bolasie (Palace) – Very high foot with studs showing on the head of Olsson. Serious dangerous play. [Ref – Craig Pawson]
- No Red Card Against Jedinak (Palace) – Clear attempt and act by Jedinak to punch the player. Violent conduct. [Ref – Craig Pawson]
- No Red Card Against Capoue (Watford] – Very high foot with studs making contact on the head of Ward-Prowse. Serious dangerous play. [Ref – Roger East]
- No Second Yellow Card Against Costa (Chelsea) – Costa showed clear dissent on two different occasions but was only booked once. [Ref – Anthony Taylor]
- No Penalty Given For Chelsea – Reid clearly pushed Oscar off the ball. [Ref – Anthony Taylor]
- No Red Card Against Costa – Costa made a leg breaking, serious injury inducing foul. [Ref – Anthony Taylor]
- No Penalty Given For Chelsea – Byram clearly handled the ball, with his arm moving towards the ball. [Ref – Anthony Taylor]
- No Second Yellow Card Against Kante – Kante made two reckless tackles but was only booked for one. [Ref – Anthony Taylor]
But when there is error, there is also correct. And so we find some major decisions that refs made that were correct. And when we slate people we also should applaud them for making the correct decisions.
Alas the list is much shorter this time. Only 8 major decisions were judged correct. We like to point at the fact that correct goal decisions are left out of this list. As in most cases goals are down to players efforts and not referee efforts we do not mention and count them. After all the ref didn’t score the goal. If he would, we would mention if of course.
List of Major Correct Decisions on Match Day #01
- Correct Penalty For Arsenal – Moreno clearly fouled Walcott. [Ref – Michael Oliver]
- Correct Non-Penalty For Arsenal – Bellerin did not handled the ball. [Ref – Michael Oliver]
- Correct Non-Penalty For Swansea – There was no foul contact by Fer and it was outside the box. [Ref – Jon Moss]
- Correct Penalty For Man City – Van Aanholt clearly fouled Sterling. [Ref – Robert Madley]
- Correct Non-Penalty For West Brom – Bolasie fell just outside and there was no significant foul contact. [Ref – Craig Pawson]
- Correct Red Card Against Watson (Watford) – Watson (last defending player) brought down Long outside the penalty box. [Ref – Roger East]
- Correct Non-Penalty For Watford – Hojbjerg went in looking for contact with Zuniga. [Ref – Roger East]
- Correct Penalty For Chelsea – Antonio clearly fouled Azpilicueta inside the box. [Ref – Anthony Taylor]
Next we look at the wrong decisions made by each referee and list them in a table. Contrary to what we said earlier before the list of correct decisions, we now have to mention goals that have been given as a result of referee mistakes. Because when a ref gives a wrong penalty or misses a clear foul on a player and a goal comes from it, we have to count them as their error. It will be interesting to see how many wrong errors each ref will make during the course of the season. For now I only would like to point at the score of Anthony Taylor. Already made 5 major wrong decisions. in 1 (one) match! But that is his usual number of errors he produces when he does an Arsenal match. And usually all against Arsenal.
This table will become a good indication on how error prone a referee really is.
Major Wrong Decisions Made by Referees
| Referee | Matches | Second Yellow Cards | Red Cards | Penalties | Goals | Total |
| Andre Marriner | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Anthony Taylor | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 5 |
| Craig Pawson | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Jon Moss | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Kevin Friend | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Martin Atkinson | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Michael Oliver | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| Mike Dean | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| Robert Madley | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Roger East | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
Again we also like to point at the good decisions referees made. This also will be a good indication later on to see how good a certain referee is. As you can see Michael Oliver had a very mixed day at the Emirates. 2 wrong decisions but also 2 correct major decisions.
Major Correct Major Decisions Made by Referees
| Referee | Matches | Second Yellow Cards | Red Cards | Penalties | Total |
| Andre Marriner | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Anthony Taylor | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Craig Pawson | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Jon Moss | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Kevin Friend | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Martin Atkinson | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Michael Oliver | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| Mike Dean | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Robert Madley | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Roger East | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
The next thing we do is to make a count of all the teams and their wrong decisions. In this case we start with the wrong decisions against the teams. West Ham United being the team leading this table (which you don’t want to lead at all!) with 3 major wrong decisions going against them. Again this table will give an interesting reading on to see how teams are treated.
Major Wrong Decisions Against Teams
| Team | Second Yellow Cards | Red Cards | Penalties | Goals | Total |
| Arsenal | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Bournemouth | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Burnley | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Chelsea | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| Crystal Palace | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Everton | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Hull City | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| Leicester City | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Liverpool | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Manchester City | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Manchester United | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Middlesbrough | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Southampton | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Stoke City | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Sunderland | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Swansea City | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Tottenham | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Watford | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| West Bromwich | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| West Ham United | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 |
We also count the decisions that went in favour of a team. And in this case we see that Chelsea has had the benefit from the ref messing up for 3 major decisions. For some reason Chelsea players are allowed much more wrong aggressiveness than others. The same happened last year, Costa being the man in the spotlight once again for all the wrong reasons. When will refs teach him how to behave and show him that his thuggish behaviour has no place on a football field.
Major Wrong Decisions in Favour of Teams
| Team | Second Yellow Cards | Red Cards | Penalties | Goals | Total |
| Arsenal | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Bournemouth | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Burnley | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Chelsea | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 |
| Crystal Palace | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Everton | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Hull City | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Leicester City | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| Liverpool | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Manchester City | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Manchester United | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Middlesbrough | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Southampton | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Stoke City | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Sunderland | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Swansea City | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Tottenham | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Watford | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| West Bromwich | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| West Ham United | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
In the next table we try to give a view on the points that should have been won or lost if the ref had made the correct decisions. In the first table we will give the score of the current week and in the second column you can see the total of the season. Now this is the same of course. But it will be interesting to see how this evolves. In a perfect dream world scenario at the end of the season the total column should be all filled with zero’s. Because it should even out over the course of a season… shouldn’t it? For now Everton, Middlesbrough and Southampton can be unhappy with the referee decisions most as they should have had 2 extra points each.
Possible Change in Points Week-by-Week Due To Wrong Major Decisions
| Team | Week #1 | Total |
| Arsenal | 0 | 0 |
| Bournemouth | 0 | 0 |
| Burnley | 0 | 0 |
| Chelsea | 0 | 0 |
| Crystal Palace | 0 | 0 |
| Everton | +2 | +2 |
| Hull City | 0 | 0 |
| Leicester City | 0 | 0 |
| Liverpool | 0 | 0 |
| Manchester City | 0 | 0 |
| Manchester United | 0 | 0 |
| Middlesbrough | +2 | +2 |
| Southampton | +2 | +2 |
| Stoke City | -1 | -1 |
| Sunderland | 0 | 0 |
| Swansea City | 0 | 0 |
| Tottenham | -1 | -1 |
| Watford | -1 | -1 |
| West Bromwich | 0 | 0 |
| West Ham United | 0 | 0 |
The next table is the league table as it stands on all the official sites who show the PL table. But of course we don’t count like that. And we have our own alternative league table. Just follow us to the bottom of this article.
English Premier League Table Official
| Rank | Team | Points |
| 1 | Manchester United | 3 |
| 2 | Liverpool | 3 |
| 3 | Chelsea | 3 |
| 4 | Hull City | 3 |
| 5 | Manchester City | 3 |
| 6 | Swansea City | 3 |
| 7 | West Bromwich | 3 |
| 8 | Everton | 1 |
| 9 | Middlesbrough | 1 |
| 10 | Southampton | 1 |
| 11 | Stoke City | 1 |
| 12 | Tottenham | 1 |
| 13 | Watford | 1 |
| 14 | Arsenal | 0 |
| 15 | Leicester City | 0 |
| 16 | Sunderland | 0 |
| 17 | West Ham United | 0 |
| 18 | Burnley | 0 |
| 19 | Crystal Palace | 0 |
| 20 | Bournemouth | 0 |
Here it is. How the league table would have looked if the referees would make no mistakes. This is how a PL table could look if let us say video refereeing was allowed to happen. Till then, we will try to deliver that for you.
English Premier League Table Adjusted to Change in Points due to Major Wrong Decisions.
| Rank | Team | Change in Points | Points |
| 1 | Manchester United | 0 | 3 |
| 2 | Liverpool | 0 | 3 |
| 3 | Chelsea | 0 | 3 |
| 4 | Hull City | 0 | 3 |
| 5 | Manchester City | 0 | 3 |
| 6 | Swansea City | 0 | 3 |
| 7 | West Bromwich | 0 | 3 |
| 8 | Everton | +2 | 3 |
| 9 | Middlesbrough | +2 | 3 |
| 10 | Southampton | +2 | 3 |
| 11 | Stoke City | -1 | 0 |
| 12 | Tottenham | -1 | 0 |
| 13 | Watford | -1 | 0 |
| 14 | Arsenal | 0 | 0 |
| 15 | Leicester City | 0 | 0 |
| 16 | Sunderland | 0 | 0 |
| 17 | West Ham United | 0 | 0 |
| 18 | Burnley | 0 | 0 |
| 19 | Crystal Palace | 0 | 0 |
| 20 | Bournemouth | 0 | 0 |
As you can see in the first column we get the change we have given teams based on our findings and then the total points and how the table would look with those changes.
For the moment not much to mention of course. As it is only based on one match day. But stay tuned of course during the rest of the season when we will update the data in these tables.
If you want to post a comment please do have a read of the newly updated Comments file.
- How the refs did last weekend (complete with video evidence). Referee Appointments and Results Matchweek #01
- The Sound of Silence: Arsenal in the transfer market
- So who exactly was the king of the show against Liverpool?
- Arsenal never spend anything much on transfers. Or do they?
For those wondering, yes you will see a lot of the same things as in the previous post.
But we thought it would be appropriate to give a bit more explanation (if needed) on to what each table means.
But more importantly is the lowest part of this article.
Because this time we added the Alternative league table and the official league table.
The official league table is what you can find on each and every website that covers the PL.
The Alternative League Table (ALT) is where you can see how the official league table would look if the refs made no mistake at all.
In the future we will put them all together in one article of course.
I love this Walter but would just like to point out that Arsenal would obviously be 11th based on goals scored. Do you intend to take goals difference into account too?
Good point Goonermiky something we try to change in the future
Goonermikey,
That would easier to put in to effect as the league table develops, lets say… 10-12 games later.
Right now any difference in league position doesn’t matter much.
I would love this tableto disprove untolds wild theories that the refs are against Arsenal! Undone by your own research! This is going to be the most satisfying of all! So far by your research! Refs 1 untold 0
Goobermikey,
But we have taken your point into notice. Any more tips or improvements are welcomed.
Arsenal transfer talk
Wenger: I would like to sign morata from you
Real: well we would not be able to say no if you meet his clause
Wenger: how much is that?
Real: 40m
Wenger: so 40m pesos divided by???
Real: no Arsene that’s pounds!
Arsene: really???
Real: Yes Really
Arsene: ok I have a solution, would you take 5m and we will throw in Debuchy and Sanogo??
Real: No
Arsene: well at least I tried! No problem I will have to rely on Walter and Tony blaming the refs for another wasted season! I wonder if Lyon would take 5m and mertesacker for lacazette??
Wengers Warriors
‘I would love this table to disprove untolds wild theories that the refs are against Arsenal!’
Why?
Wenger Wariors
Good to know that atleast you agree to 1st week of results posted by UA.
Now keep believing in the coming weeks also.
Because this site chooses to put the blame on anyone and everyone they can apart from the board and manager! How can you fail to see that Arsenal again have failed to bring in adequate players to deal with the season ahead! And please do not give me the same untold line about how other clubs have more money and transferring players is not a way to win the league!
Firstly usminov is worth far more than the glazers and abromovich! Kronke is also worth more than the glazers! So your argument on sugar daddies is mute!
Now onto money available! We have 197m in the bank and we will earn a further 103 million on extra tv revenue this year alone! No other club in Europe has more disposable income than Arsenal!
The other untold line! We don’t need any new players!
Really? 2 centre backs who have no experience in the premiership started for us last week! Are you telling me that is acceptable for a club the size of Arsenal? A striker who averages 14 goals a season and our second striker (well really winger) out for a year and yet we have not signed a new striker! Is this acceptable for a club the size of Arsenal?
Again we lose the opening game of the season because we are under prepared again! Is this acceptable for a club the size of Arsenal?
So yes when I read this site refusing to give a balanced view and ignores what is blatantly obvious to every man and his dog! Instead looking for scape goats like referees and the media! And before you revert to the same line that obviously I am AAA! You are wrong! I still think if The board backs Arsene and holds him a little more to account he is still the man to lead us forward! But my faith is dwindling like the thousands of other season ticket holders
Do not feed the trolls. Do not feed the trolls.
Rosicky I do agree when they give a balanced view on the refs but at times it comes across like the refs have it in for Arsenal and this is just untrue! Refs are not perfect and are prone to mistakes and every fan you talk too all say the same thing! The refs are against there team! Every set of fans! I think the job they do is difficult and they deserve respect! Not vilified and made to look like crooks if they make a mistake
I see so when a Arsenal fan expresses his opinion and it’s different to yours then he is a troll? I stand corrected by your logic Susan’s! From this day on let no man have an opinion because he will be labelled a troll! Moron
Brilliant! Although he is still the best manager for Arsenal
“the points that should have been won or lost if the ref had made the correct decisions”
Who’s to know what would happen subsequently and consequently if a ref made a different decision and altered the course of the future. Is this table based on the assumption that the future, or future events, would have played exactly as they happened if the past or past events were altered. Nothing would have changed consequently had a different decision been made? Are you really trying to say this?
Looks like I will have to handle it myself….
Wengers Warriors,
Reiterating the same line about ‘I have the right to express an opinion’ and ‘Am not being let to express an opinion’ gets your opinion to no constructive stage of argument/debate my friend. You have the freedom to talk about anyone, anything, anywhere on the net, on any site, as long as you comply within that certain site/place/forum/blog’s rule if there are any rules in the first place.
I suggest that you read the comments ruling on this site, http://untold-arsenal.com/untold-comments
Your comment at 1:57 pm – Nobody at any club wants to see poor refereeing. The new weekly report (although it involves daily work from all of us) is being conducted to bring the issue of poor refereeing in the league to light in the most comprehensive and time saving way as possible. This is not to show that Team B are eternal victims or Team A are always favoured, this is for the improvement of fair refereeing as a whole in England, that will benefit us all.
Your comment at 2:19 pm – Clearly goes against Point 1, Point 3, and Point 4 of commenting http://untold-arsenal.com/untold-comments This article is not about transfers, potential dealings, rumors. There are plenty of other articles at Untold that deal those issues. You can comment about it till you are content over there.
Your comment at 2:53 pm – Repeats the same thing again. Going against Point 1, and Point 4 of commenting http://untold-arsenal.com/untold-comments This article is not about transfers, potential dealings, rumors. There are plenty of other articles at Untold that deal those issues. You can comment about it till you are content over there.
Your comment at 3:03 pm – Goes against Point 3, Point 4 and Point 6 of commenting http://untold-arsenal.com/untold-comments If you any constructive point/evidence/piece to prove that refs haven’t been against a certain set of teams over the last 3 seasons, then we will hear it gladly
And finally once more try and visit this link. http://untold-arsenal.com/untold-comments Thank You
Tj, until video refereeing is allowed this is the only way we can work.
Thanks Usama,
couldn’t have said it any better.
T.J
Of course nobody knows what would have happened if a certain had been awarded that penalty, that red card or that goal. The last table is named Alternative League Table, or as I would like to call it Hypothetical League Table. Because we consider any major wrong decision (red card, penalty, goal) equivalent to a potential goal, thus hypothetical.
Wengerswarrior,
Believe me nobody will be more happy than I when I would see at the end of the season table the number of zero points won or lost for The Arsenal.
As I have said probably hundreds of times in the past: I don’t want wrong decisions in favour of Arsenal but also don’t want them go against Arsenal. I want correct decisions. And correct decisions FOR ALL TEAMS!
Hence why I am fighting for assisting referees with video refereeing. I think I have written some 20 articles about this in the past 6 or 7 years.
And please from now on could you stick to the subject. Thank you.
Walter that’s a pathetic answer. What has video evidence got to do with simple primary education physics. It’s not even flawed, it’s simply absurd- to even suggest that this is “how the official league table would look if the refs made no mistake at all”. A child with average intellect realises that their actions and the decisions they make now will alter the course of subsequent events and the future. Can’t you see the absurdity of such a table, based on the hypothesis that nothing else would have changed? Time would have stood still? I’m stunned, it’s cringe worthy David Brent logic
I agree with you on the referee assistance and feel it’s needed video technology is used in rugby league to great effect and takes only a moment to check! However you may have been wanting this for 7 years but you need to tone down your retoric when it comes to refs! It comes across a little one sided! Apart from that yes I am big enough to agree with your point
Have you really just thrown a set of rules against me to justify the fact you are a rude individual? Seriously and you also post on this site?? The reason so many people have hit the unlike button on your pathetic troll post is because it’s pathetic! And having a set of rules to stop people having an opinion is also questionable! I suggest having this site as a members only so you don’t have the head ache of dealing with TROLLS like me!
Well the “new” commentator or guest above (don’t laugh) comment on the ref reviews both here and other places going back several seasons now? Each and every year, people will remember the “error free” table published by the red top last season and therefore I’m sure that we can appreciate why these honest and sincere “individuals” *coughs* have been studiously avoiding any relevant comment apart from of course attempting and failing to troll this article and blog.
Well done. You’ve shown your quality *slow clap*
Will > Well
Who’s “we” exactly?
If it’s a panel, then how many?
Any outsiders, who are not Arsenal fans in the decision making process?
I truly love the like/ dislike system on Untold.
An honest question gets you a dislike from a get go ha ha ha.
What a pathetic little person 🙂
TJ,
Look we conduct this much analysis and research within the most time-saving and comprehensive way possible, and given we are simple football loving fans and busy people just like everyone, using just the major decisions (red cards, goals, penalties) covers things from a much more ‘higher impact on match’ perspective possible. These analysis, researches, reports are something that the journalists, media, newspapers and most of the PGMO can do themselves in much much more detailed way possible, covering all sorts of things for every single match, but do they do it… nope.
If you can contribute us with anything that will help us in this analysis, you are welcomed to.
Tom,
I am a regular reader here and seldom contribute on data gathering for refs. Andrew is a long time reader and contributor covering all sort of topics (Arsenal U-16, Arsenal U-18, Arsenal U-19, Arsenal U-21, Arsenal U-23, Arsenal Ladies, UEFA Youth League, Refs Previews, Ref Analysis, Injury reports). Walter is also a long-time reader and contributor (also a ref), again covering all sorts of topics. Tony is the man who created this site, the publisher, the writer, the researcher, with a clear slogan “Supporting the club, the players and the manager”
Usama
Thanks. I know pretty much who Untold proprietors and contributors are.
My question was specifically directed at ref reviews for the alternative league.
Other sites that have done it usually have a panel of 3 or more, that’s why I was curious how you guys are doing it.
Also, are you guys going to watch all matches or just high lights?
Wengers Warriors,
You have commented 7 times, am I right? And has your comment been published every time, am I right? And every single time you expressed your opinion, am I right? If so, then I believe you probably ignored or chose not to read my line at 4:01 PM which includes the word “I suggest” not “I obligate” Thus, I forced nobody into stopping their opinion. If you look up the “Suggest” it means to “mention or introduce a possible consideration”
Tom,
I do most of the data gathering. Watching all the matches is utterly time consuming and very difficult. I use text commentaries and stats, mostly from soccerway.com, livescore.com, guardian, bbc, some very active twitter accounts, and some key search terms on google advanced search. Then I organize any major decisions correct or wrong. Search for highlights with at least 5-10 mins of action, and directly move up to that to specific time period where that potential major decision occurred. This save tons and tons of time.
Usama,
Kudos to you for going to that effort, it’s not the subjective analysis and opinion of referees decisions, or even the category of decisions and how they affect a game that i see a problem with. It’s the clairvoyancy, and the act of actually printing a table and telling people that this is how the PL would look if referees had made all correct decisions. It’s preposterous to a breathtaking level and takes absolutely nothing else, no other factors-despite the fact that there are an infinite number of other permutations into account before coming to such a conclusion.
I’ll repeat, the analysis is opinion-no problem. The table is idiocy
nobody is against you about having an opinion unless it is abusive @arsenal warrior.
our opinion cannot be the same @wenger warrior, so you saying anyone with a different opinion on this site was immediately categorize as a troll is/was uncalled for.
your comment is welcome as far as it doesn’t have a ( curse, swear, abuse etc) or you did not insult the person/person’s behind the article.
Moreover we all know that this site is Pro Arsenal, Pro Wenger e.t.c so there should not be anything like…. …………. is because you support Wenger
Wenger Wariors
If you think refs are neutral.Cud u pls reply to the numerous match reviews conducted by the UA team in which UA team has made mistakes.
Tom at first I thought that the likes/dislikes was rigged ant that it was all oneperson boosting what he disagreed with but now ive realised its all the people walter and tony have banned for having a different opinion of them and dare to criticise anything arsenal and the manager does wrong.
I may be wrong but it looks like you’re getting into Debatable Decisions territory with this. They were good, but could only base their findings on matches they’d watched on MOTD & Sky hi-lites programmes. If you have a facility to watch all of every Premier League match then I raise my glass of Czech lager to you.
Leon,
I don’t watch MOTD or Sky’s Programmes’ highlights mainly because they edit key decisions to suit their liking. I mostly use Russian and Spanish forums to search for full available highlights or if possible full matches, so I can look at the major decision correct or wrong. The advantage of such other European forums is that they tend to store every major possible piece of action in the big leagues.
Usama, you are the champion
Usama Zaka
So you’re not watching all of every PL match, analyzing and publishing 100% accurate data, but probably using reasonably reliable but often incomplete overseas resources.
Much of what you publish will be at the most educated guesswork, but under the circumstances as good as you’re likely to find anywhere.
It’s good that you’re having a go at this so best of luck with it.
Leon,
Thanks. As I stated in my comment at 5:38, watching every PL match consumes too much. Text commentaries, especially from Livescore.com mention nearly every decision that happens on the pitch, so from that it is easy to focus and organize a list without watching every single second of the match. So of course when using different text commentaries, one gets the idea that ‘okay this decision was a major one’ and you can specify that decision on the net in the form of video.
I am confident that fans of the other clubs will agree to a degree with the decisions mentioned in the report for their matches.
Wengers Warriors
August 18, 2016 at 2:53 pm
You must be dim not understanding the difference between a shareholder owned Limited Company owning a football club & a wholly owned football club by an individual entity.
If all the Arsenal fans had more money than all the Reading fans it would not make any difference to the value of the clubs. The worth of the shareholders is not the value of the club. The clubs wholly owned by individual entities have huge director loans to facilitate the funding of dreams. If the directors demand the loans back (they can do that at any time) the club would probably hit financial hardship.
Arsenal are not in hock in this way.
That lesson demands a fee. The fee is go learn about sports club structure in England & then come & post your well thought of rubbish with decent understanding.
There are trolls and then there are downright stupid trolls.
The idiot Wengers Warriors is the latter type.
I’ve made exactly the same point as TJ on numerous occasions. As long as this league is merely hypothetical it’s fine but last season we had some bizarre claim that Arsenal would have scored over 100 pts based on the same notions that Usama and co. are showing us here.
No team has ever accumulated 100 pts plus in a season and we didn’t look anything like a team that could.
This comment deleted as it took no note of the earlier post
“I doubt if anyone has ever had their mind changed by arguments on this site”
Excellent work there Walter, Usama & co. Please keep up the good work.
Well I am really looking forward to watching this alternative league table as time goes on! Many thanks both of you and especially Usama.