16 responses

  1. insideright

    It’s interesting that Pep’s ‘defence’ is that City were not the only club to spend money to achieve success. That isn’t what the complaints are about. They concern the receipt of money and the sources of that revenue. His defence is a red herring.

  2. mm

    I wouldn’t think the Spaniards would want to complain to the EU Competition Authorities as FFP is totally anti competition. It was made up by the G14 clubs to keep everybody else out of their trough.
    Insideright, why would Pep need to defend City? He wasn’t even at the club at the time.

    • Tony Attwood

      mm – no reason why you would have read our enquiries into this in the past, but yours is a point that was raised at the time FFP was brought in and indeed many times before that. To summarise, the EU acknowledged early on that sport could not be treated as other commercial activities because by its very nature it tended to end up with one winner, and with limited access (as for example a league) and thus the normal competition rules that are at the heart of the EU apply. A series of court cases which we reported at the time then verified the validity of this approach, and FFP was accepted as part of it by the EU.
      As for why Pep needs to defend City I don’t think it will do his cv much good if it is found that some of his achievements have been with a club that has been found to be at the heart of a lot of corruption – and he didn’t actually notice.

  3. JimB

    mm is absolutely correct, of course. The initial justification for FFP was that it would help to prevent clubs going under as a consequence of spending beyond their means. But it was always, in actuality, a means by which the G14 hoped to maintain the status quo.

    And yes, Tony, you are also correct that it is sad that football is no longer (to the extent that it has ever been) a pure sporting contest. But, for all that the emergence of the likes of Chelsea, City and PSG as football superpowers alongside the established elite has made footballing success even more about money than sport, they didn’t start the fire. It was initially sparked by the formation of the Premier League before the oxygen hit of the Champions League transformed it into a raging inferno. And the formation of the Champions League was very much driven by the greed of the established elite clubs (who are up to their same dirty tricks again). In fact, I would go so far as to say that the subsequent massive financial chasm that grew between the established elite clubs and the rest is precisely what made the sustained intervention of wealthy benefactors almost the only way that the rest could ever hope to compete at the top again.

    If City and PSG are monsters, then the established elite are Dr. Frankenstein.

    • Tony Attwood

      Blimey Jim. You are saying Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal created Manchester City in its current format… wow that’s a thought that is going to take me a while to contemplate.

  4. Andy Mack

    FFP wasn’t a way to maintain the status quo. It was a way to make sure that only a well run club could make the step up and poorly run clubs didn’t abuse their supporters.
    There were far too many clubs across Europe spending money they didn’t have with the aim of paying it back after they’d made that step.
    We’ve seen plenty of ‘iffy’ owners in the football league that mortgage their club to the hilt an then run away when it went wrong, leaving the fans to dig the club out of the smelly stuff.
    I hate saying positive stuff about our nomadic neighbours, so I won’t use them as an example (their lack of recent silverware helps not using them, although it’s on par with Liverpoo! in recent times), but there are plenty of clubs who have moved up through the divisions due to sound management, team building and business practices.
    So it didn’t stop teams improving dramatically, but meant they couldn’t do it overnight.

  5. Ferg

    Are you contending then that football clubs have evolved unnaturally? I understand that they are not Organic btw
    As an analogy, does that make the genetics AND coaching programs etc that created Carl Lewis, dr Frankenstein ,to the Monstrous drug cheats?
    As I’m writing this, I’m already answering .Yes. For elite clubs that is true. They’ve all had they’re own Steroids over the years . Sky money etc, being the Salbutamol. What can be wrong in it??

    If only we had an ounce of faith that an investigation would dig deep enough without drowning in filth, to bring back a playing field. Levellish would do.

  6. GoingGoingGooner

    With regards to Pep’s comments. I would suggest that what he says is irrelevant. They are just speculation. The machinations, if they occurred, took place way above his pay grade. Of course, he benefits much as Ferguson benefitted from ManU’s financial position, but I can’t see him having a clue about where the money is being shifted.

  7. Gord

    Run across this note about an investigation in Switzerland Tony?


    On another corruption thread, it seems the owner of Monaco has been picked up by police investigating corruption.

    Quite a few “domestic” (to England) sources to that Monaco story.

  8. Ferg

    Is he like a spoilt child who gets whatever his whim ,as his daddy will get it for him?
    I don’t think he’s in any way involved in the ‘books’, but a plea of ignorance requires that we believe he is a bit dim. That I don’t buy.
    If he’d landed from Mars, maybe, but he’s been in the inner circles for a while now.

  9. GoingGoingGooner

    @Ferg…you are right in the sense that he and that chap at Old Trafford are drawn to money like moths to a flame. He ought to have suspicions about the provenance of the money. He was clever but cynical as a player…it would be unlike him to lose those qualities as a manager.

    But yes, I do think he is a spoiled child. He is a bit better at concealing it than his fellow traveler at ManU, though.

  10. WalterBroeckx

    What disgusted me from Man City was when JL Dehaene died. JL Dehaene was a former prime minister from Belgium who was chair of the first committee that wanted to punish the likes of City. Now to make it clear JL Dehaene was a prime minister I really disliked a lot. So I have no sympathy at all for him. But when he died Man City send a mail to someone with the words: “one down, six to go” and enjoying the fact he died.
    Now I have suffered under JL Dehaene as I live in Belgium so I was happy he left the political stage at the time and then he went to UEFA FFP committee. But I don’t want people dead, not even him. I didn’t feel any joy when he died as I always think that everybody has family and friends who will be sad about a persons death. So seeing the message from Man City enjoying the death of a person is somewhat sickening.

  11. Andy Mack

    Off topic, but Salbutamol is not a steroid (as far as I can see).
    As I understand it, It allows the body to function closer to it’s max capability level (possibly closer than someone without asthma?), whereas a steroid generally increases the bodies max capability level.
    So it is a medicine rather than purely a performance enhancer.

  12. Ferg

    AndyMack. You are correct, but that was part of the topic..
    Steroids equate to all hated ffp transgressions, legal or illegal.
    Sky money is deemed as acceptable income,like salbutamol is used as a Bonafide medicine, although unless you are suffering from asthma attack why have huge doses of it?? And like the sky payments that go reward the already successful, so the salbutamol and other clever drugs,only gets used by the already elite.

  13. WalterBroeckx

    I wonder how much ref Victor Kassai was offered for giving the most ridiculous penalty to City tonight. And how on earth not one of the refs corrected him. Money talks one could say. And no Sterling is no diver. LOL. If you see how he runs he is trying to find a leg to run up against with his own leg. And when he doesn’t find it he just kicks himself in the ground. If Sterling would be honest he would have informed the ref he kicked in the turf. But it now seems that Sterling is on the same wave length as his cheating club.

  14. Brickfields Gunners

    What a crap decision by the referee . The commentators agreed while it was a bad call by the ref , Sterling was of course was never at fault .He just happened to kick the ground , and fell over .

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