20 responses

  1. Think Gooner
    30/08/2014

    Costa Rica were not ranked below 70th. Campbell didn’t get his work permit because at the time he hadn’t played 75% of games over the last two years (he had only broken into the team that year).

    And he never got Spanish citizenship. Arsenal reapplied after he became a mainstay in the COsta Rican national team, thus making him eligible for work permit.

  2. Think Gooner
    30/08/2014

    Also, Chelsea applied for the “special talent” work permit for William.

    I’m not sure if we applied for it with Campbell but I know both Ryo Miyaichi and Alex Song were given special talents visas. So Arsenal were aware of the possibility of apply for such a permit.

  3. ClockEndRider
    30/08/2014

    Tony,
    You make the basic errors that the AAA will be able to follow your piece and that even if they do they won’t just ignore it and blindly repeat whatever they are told to think by journos and stupid people called Jamie.
    On behalf of the rest of us though, many thanks for the article.

  4. Mike T
    30/08/2014

    Tony

    Some real basic errors in this article.

    First Costa Rica have been ranked 70th or better in FIFAs rankings since 1996 http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=crc/ranking/gender=m/

    Next I don’t know if it was an error or whether it suited your argument but when you said the following quite simply it is not correct

    “For a non-EU player to get a work permit, he must have played in more than 75% of his country’s matches in the last two years, and that country must be in the top 70 nations in Fifa’s ranking”

    On appeal a work permit(its not actually a work permit its a visa)can be granted to a player who has exceptional ability and Chelsea arguments weren’t just about the limited number of caps gained it was also that the fee would not have b

  5. colario
    30/08/2014

    Are the ‘the ignorant’ the only ones who do not like to admit they are wrong?

    Those with a stand to make on any given position will always refuse to admit they are wrong. The likes of the anti Arsenal brigade are never going to admit they are wrong (at least openly).

    The media cannot admit it is wrong, if it did, it would risk the danger losing its credibility with its non thinking believers.

    So we battle on speaking the facts in a world that for the most part only wants to know its own agenda. The blind leading the blind.

  6. Frode
    30/08/2014

    Tony,
    This kind of article is the reason I keep coming back to this site. All people have the right to believe what they want and have their opinion. Of course reading a blog where most people express their opinion on my club often could be interesting. Turning to this site give readers something more. Not only opinions, but great insight to transfer dealings, economics of football (FFP), and now the delicate issue of getting a work permit. It is far too easy just to sit back and expect our club to go to the footballplayer supermarket, pick one falcao, one khedira, pay and walk out. This is not how it works.

    Keep on writing!!

    Ps: my bet for the next couple of days is we get one more player. A defensive minded one who is able to play in midfield and defense. I also believe we might get a striker. You never know, if a special player gets available we might go for it, but not necessarily because we are in need. AW has been saying this all summer after all. I guess it is not of interest to media what he actually say, so they make their own story.

  7. Tony Attwood
    30/08/2014

    Sorry for the mistakes – about Campbell. I really must learn to stick to the subject I start out on which was Perez and Rojo. Trouble is when I write things like I get carried away and then add some extras from memory because I’m running out of time.

    But at least the errors get corrected, and I’ll be able to get it right next time I write about Joel.

    Thanks and apologies.

  8. Mike T
    30/08/2014

    Tony I guess you have taken the Independents article as Gospel.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/marcos-rojo-why-is-it-taking-so-long-for-manchester-united-to-get-a-work-permit-9699288.html

    When a player applies for a visa to work or play in say England the FA is asked to endorse the application. The criteria that is applied to gain this endorsement is indeed around the 75% of competitive international games.
    There is no way the Home Office will be grant one without FA endorsement so the application is going to fail.
    The club then appeal to the FA who then factor in what some say is the exceptional talent.

    Despite what the article in the Independent says a player with an EU passport(De Maria with an Italian passport) does not require a visa they require the transfer to be granted International clearance part of that process is examination of the players status.

  9. Mike T
    30/08/2014

    @ Tony

    We all get things wrong and in truth the subject matter of this article is a minefield

  10. soglorious
    30/08/2014

    Educative indeed. However, how I wish all journalists will be humble enough to accept their mistakes as you have done.

  11. Bootoomee
    30/08/2014

    Tony,

    As an immigrant, I find it easy to forgive the few errors in the piece. The UK immigrations laws are convoluted to put it mildly and it is understandable for one to get it wrong especially if one isn’t CURRENTLY affected by them.

    A friend who is making his Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILTR) application next month went to the Home office website to get the current application form and found out that new rules (including price hikes) have been introduced since he last checked a few months ago. Things have been made more difficult for applicants and they weren’t easy before. There are also a lot of discretionary decisions that are up to the minister.

    Those of us who have navigated the UK immigration maze with all the high costs and stringent conditions are always puzzled and indeed troubled when we turn on the news and hear about the hordes of immigrants flocking into the UK and ruining the country in the process.

    I appreciate your regular calling out the bigots who hide behind the ‘threat’ of immigration to rail against those who are different from them.

  12. Jr gunzz
    30/08/2014

    Nice one tony . Atleast you do accept when your wrong .which makes you more credible than our so called fellow fans the aaa

  13. AL
    30/08/2014

    Agree Bootoomee. Even a simple task like finding their contact number is not that easy.

    Anyway, back to the main point of discussion, Willian is supposed to have got his permit on the basis of his exceptional talent… what talent? 🙂

  14. Bootoomee
    30/08/2014

    AL,

    Of course.

    The part that I don’t particularly like in the immigration laws are the ones about the “minister’s discretion”. This is subject to all sorts of randomness. And by randomness I mean partiality and possible foul play. I am not making accusations here but when the player of a Billionaire club who never shy from paying for whatever they want gets a visa as “exceptional talent” when he hasn’t done anything exceptional in the game and another player from Arsenal or Man United, who are more traditional when it comes to spending, does not; then one might begin to wonder what is going on.

    I like the Point Based System. At least the rules are clear and issuance is fair. I am not sure if the players are on PBS.

  15. bjtgooner
    30/08/2014

    I may be wrong in this, but wasn’t Willian “expected” to join the Spuds, with the deal reasonably advanced, until Chelski stepped in?

    If so, I am not sure if that had any influence either way on Willian’s work permit.

  16. Bootoomee
    30/08/2014

    bjtgooner,

    Signing players and getting them work visa are not the same thing. Chelsea beat Tottenham to the player’s signature but they must still apply for a work visa for him afterward. To be fair, Tottenham might been able to successfully make the same application but then they might have failed. I don’t think that the fact that Tottenham wanted to sign Willian before Chelsea hi-jacked the deal negates this point.

  17. AL
    30/08/2014

    Spot on again Bootoomee. A work visa/permit is employer-specific. In other words if I applied for a permit to work for company A, I’d need to apply for a new one to work for company B if I decided to change jobs, even before the first one has expired.

  18. Percy
    30/08/2014

    AL
    “Willian is supposed to have got his permit on the basis of his exceptional talent… what talent? :)”

    Check out Seb Coates: debut for Uruguay June2011; Liverpool buy him in August 2011 for £7m; visa no problem – plays first game in September; in total has 12 appearances for Liverpool in three years and is now back in Uruguay.
    Exceptional talent? Who at the FA endorsed that?

  19. InitialsBB
    31/08/2014

    Didn’t we lose out on Yaya Toure because we couldn’t get a work permit for him or am I mistaken?

  20. Franck
    01/09/2014

    Mike T,special talent premit in football is granted to people under the age of 21,get ur facts right………..willian was way over 21 wen he came to chelsea.

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