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By Walter Broeckx; additional material by Tony Attwood
Chelsea striker Diego Costa has been charged with violent conduct by the Football Association following his side’s win over Arsenal on Saturday.
The FA has also charged Gabriel with improper conduct and both clubs with failing to control their players.
It beggars belief.
Meanwhile the petition to stop Mike Dean from ever handling an Arsenal match again is standing (1730BST) at over 69,000. Please do sign it if you have not done so already.
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A few weeks ago we had the Newcastle match in which referee Andre Marinner in a seldom seen great and brave referee performance stood up against Newcastle who were trying to kick our players off the field from the first minute. In this match the Arsenal players reacted by not reacting at all. They just did what they had to do, tried to avoid injuries and win the match. We managed to do both. After this match some criticised our players for behaving like we did. We should have stood up for each other more they said. We should surround the referee more and put pressure on him.
When a referee is doing his job like Marinner did on the day then you should do like we did: stay away from him and let him do his job. He was doing a great job so there was no need to tell him what to do at all.
For the fact that our players should be more standing up for each other I, and lots of other Untolders, wrote: ‘if we would do this, we would be punished for doing so’.
And look what happened in the Chelsea match.
First of all Koscielny should be given a football award at the end of the season for not using any theatrics. I just have enough fingers on my hand to count the numbers of time that Costa punched his hand in the face of Koscielny. And not once did Kos go down. He had every right to go down. Nobody could ever blame him for doing this. But Kos stayed up. As he is not a pussy. He is not a cheater. Not that if he had gone down that he would have cheated. But we, the Arsenal and our players, don’t do this.
After all I think Kos knew that even if he had gone down that Dean probably wouldn’t have done anything. So better stay on your feet and follow what the ball does must have gone through Kos his mind. And as been thought by our manager who dislikes such things. Kos is already familiar with Dean so he knew what to expect.
But this isn’t the case for Gabriel. Maybe in his head he didn’t know what kind of a person Dean is. He knows now. He probably thought that Dean would send Costa off for what he did. But no, Dean gladly booked Gabriel, who only came to separate Costa and Kos in the first place. And then Costa scratched him with his nails at the back of his neck. Again Dean did nothing. You could see Costa shouting against Gabriel and God knows what he was shouting, but it didn’t look like an invitation to have a friendly meal after the match.
So I think his wife, children (if he has them), his mother will have been the subject of the shouting of Costa. And maybe it is his profession. You don’t see such things being done by Arsenal players. We have too much class to do this. But class and Chelsea start with the same letter but that is all that there is to link them together.
When we see at all what Dean and his assistants missed last Saturday we can ask the question if he is fit enough to referee a PL match. I have asked this question way back from 2009. And my answer most of the time is “not when Arsenal are involved”. I think he felt somehow attacked way back in 2008 when he was the ref when Eduardo was kicked to pieces, not giving a penalty to Arsenal in the last minute of the match when a Birmingham defender was pulling the short of Adebayor and making it three times the seize it normally has and then giving a penalty when Clichy played the ball in the last second of extra time. That day he lost the ability to be fair when Arsenal is around.
But hey ho the PGMO would rather reduce the numbers of referees to send him even more than make sure more referees are good enough to do PL matches.
It has been two days now since the match. 48 hours. I am still waiting for the FA, the PL or the PGMO to come up with some kind of explanation on to why nothing was done on the field against Costa. But now all they have done is charged two players and both clubs for failing to control their teams. Dean clearly could use his headset to send off Gabriel so that must have been working all right. So how come non of the other three officials told him what Costa had been doing? Were they all being blinded by some kind of Mourinho magic? Was there something in the dressing room given by a generous sponsor to the referees? A year of free gas or something like that?
One of the tasks of the PGMO is to educate the public about refereeing and refereeing matters. So come on now PGMO we are waiting for your explanation. How on earth could all four of them miss Costa lashing out at Koscielny five times????
Or they are blind or corrupt? Both it seems but as long as the football authorities stay still it more and more indicates at both.
Whether the FA will deal with Costa or not is not even important in this. Because it doesn’t make a shit difference for Arsenal. Banning him for 10 games will not give us any more points.
We at Untold have been pointing fingers for years at the PGMO and the referees. In so far that we can predict what will happen with each referee. And boy do they deliver most of the time. If us ‘amateurs’ can do this then why can’t the top professionals come to the same conclusions? Why don’t they see it and say: now wait a minute there is something terribly wrong we should make sure this doesn’t happen like this? We should make sure that the cheaters don’t get away with it on the field and hit back at them immediately.
For me we didn’t lose at Chelsea. Just as we didn’t lose in match 50. No only football lost. Riley won, not Man United in match 50. Riley won his appointment of becoming head of the PGMO. Chelsea didn’t win last Saturday. Dean won whatever reward he will get once Riley steps down. I have written it before that once Riley will be forced out of his office we will get Dean as the next man. Hell, I even don’t know if that would be worse or not….
As long as Dean does not come out in the open and openly apologises to Arsenal, their players and manager and admits that he and he alone has made a mess of it and I will never be able to consider him to be an honest ref. If he did so, he could save his honour but he should also ask the PGMO to never allow him on the same field as an Arsenal team. Saying or doing nothing is for me admitting that he did it on purpose and then he should be considered as being a cheater. Just as Costa is.
Time for Mike and Mike to speak up: what is that you are? Incompetent? Biased? Or both. Staying silent indicates at being both. But hasn’t that been the conclusion of our referee reviews from all those years? Last chance to gain some credibility or lose the last bit you had.
Walter,
I am currently reviewing the “Mike Dean Match” and right now I am around 10 minutes in to the match and out of a possible 13 decisions 8 of them are wrong. I repeat again this is just 10 minutes into the match !!!
Chelsea players mob the referee especially that disgraceful homunculus Fabregas And we haven’t controlled our players……
And in other news tractor production is up 300% this year.
are you serious arsenal have been charged ? in the language i have agreed to try to conform with whilst watching football “sweary words” (insert your own )
Can’t ever seeing the FA agreeing to such a petition.
The charge against both clubs regarding control of players, should fail, in my view. Individuals were at fault, separately, not the clubs.
is this a valid petition ? or someone fishing for personal information to email us junk or scam us i noticed a few different web site addresses than the one i signed to have the west ham stadium fiasco debated?
Walter
You know as well as we all do, there is no possibility of the F.A. let alone Dean conceding the possibility they made a mistake. The initial Kos contact i can concede that Dean “perhaps” didn`t see as the ball was well down the pitch, BUT, Costa was laying into Kos for plenty of time for Dean to get his camera out and photo everything. To me the worst sin of all is the sending off of Gabriel. I don`t believe Gabriel intentionally kicked Costa, it was simply the motion of Gabriel walking backwards not knowing that Costa had moved forward intentionally so that Gabriel would collide with him.
BUT, Dean was immediatly adjacent to Costa and Gabriel and was looking up, not down, HE COULD NOT HAVE SEEN GABRIEL MAKE CONTACT WITH COSTA`s LEG/FOOT. HE ONLY GAVE THE RED CARD BECAUSE HE WAS TOLD TO DO SO BY THE MARAUDING CHELSEA PLAYERS.
IF A REF DOES NOT SEE THE FOUL HE CANNOT GIVE IT AS A FOUL. He can of course ask his assistants, but I do not recall him doing that
I’ve been away this weekend but following this at a distance via twitter. It seems to be one of those situations(again) where the referee is clearly at fault, one player (Costa) is at fault, and where (surprise surprise) a club with HUGE financial wealth is at fault, so guess what? Arsenal get charged with failing to control their players and Gabriel has a 3 match ban.
I was struck today by a quote from Ghandi which goes: “It’s the action, not the fruit of the action, that’s important. You have to do the right thing. It may not be in your power, may not be in your time, that there’ll be any fruit. But that doesn’t mean you stop doing the right thing. You may never know what results come from your action. But if you do nothing, there will be no result.”
So sign the petition folks and keep banging on about it Tony and Walter, who knows the FA might eventually wake the f*ck up
Excellent breakdown in the article gentlemen!
Hope the petition goes all the way to some type of arbitration hearing to start with…that may set the foundation for higher courts?
I had posted this comment on the previous article – having not seen the new one; which my comment is more in-line with:
“apo Armani
September 21, 2015 at 5:37 pm
So the clubs and players are charged – used as scapegoats to covers Dean’s deliberate acts of BIAS!!!
That is ridiculous !!
PGMOB must be stopped.
They are a company and surely open to legal action…SURELY!
There is enough video evidence to lock the lot up!”
What is the benefit of charging Costa now.
I think justice can only be done given Chelsea are slashed by 3 PL points.
I think you’re being fairly disingenuous when claiming that Gabriel was simply trying to separate Costa and Koscielny, Walter. Kos was already walking away, which you rightly praised him for, before Gabriel ever became involved. There was never any need for Gabriel to come into contact with Costa, Koscielny picked himself up off of the ground and went his own way, and there was no separating required.
Gabriel certainly allowed his inexperience to show when he got himself involved, but let’s not pretend he was only trying to help out. He was escalating the incident from the moment he approached Costa, and was rightfully carded for it.
One would like to think the FA would investigate all 9 of the yellow/red card incidents that Costa was involved in; the grabbing of Gabriel’s throat by Zouma and the verbal mobbing of Gollum51 by the Chelski thugs.
Somehow I don’t think that will happen.
I expect a cover up, Arsenal to be further screwed where possible, the Odious One to be exonerated, and the Psycho One to get a minor punishment.
If so – lets have a further petition – Riley and Scudamore must go!
Suarez gets 10 games for attempting bite
Costa gets 3 games for boxing punches towards Kosceilny
Any logical sense?
@Terry White-
You’re 100% correct in your assessment. I’ve watched the entire incident over and over (yes I record the matches) and Dean couldn’t have seen the raised boot – he did not ‘kick out’ – he gave the red because of the hectoring by Costa and the Chelsea squad. And Arsenal are charged for not controlling their players? Unless I’m colour blind Dean was surrounded by Blue shirts not red. Fabergas in particular should have been booked.
@Rosicky – the benefit of charging Costa now would be if Chelsea lose their main striker for a few games they may drop points. That helps the Arsenal. It doesn’t restore the point or points stolen by Dean but might help going forward.
And of course I signed the petition yesterday as all Gooners should. Everyone says ‘what can I do about it’. COYG sign the petition! It’s already in all the press and can’t be ignored.
P.S. Let’s also take the time to thank Tony and Walter for their hard work over the years exposing the anti-Arsenal bias. Because of their efforts we have FACT on our side in any argument re bias.
bjtgooner
As I said on the previous thread the FA must surely see the Zouma throat grab when reviewing the Gabriel dismissal and take the appropriate action. How can they miss or ignore it.
@SteveO 6:15PM,
I’m not sure if you saw the incident or not, but Gabriel got involved when Koscielny was on the floor after being aggressively bumped down by Costa who was standing over him flexing like a bull.
This is simply a continuation of what has gone before. Costa gets charged, but to make us the “bad guys” they add further charges against Gabriel and the club. I don’t want to risk wrath here, but one question would be this: If Santi only got a “warning” for his behaviour after his red card, why is Gabriel being given an extra charge for the same thing? Also, whilst we have had a bit of a moan at our players for leaving Gabriel to deal with it himself – what have PGMOL seen that justifies a charge of failing to control our players? Why, when Gabriel was obviously confused by what was being said to him by Dean, did Dean then send away the interpreter (Monreal)? Was that not Dean inciting players to behave differently than they were up to that point? Exactly what did Dean say to Gabriel (and indeed Costa) because neither are native English speakers, and therefore, the use of at least one interpreter must be paramount.
I would also have thought that the FA at least (given that PGMOL don’t give a toss about Arsenal), would have wanted to know what passed between Gabriel and Costa – obviously in Portuguese? It’s amazing that the 3 proponents – Chelsea, The FA and PGMOL – have been in this spot before, where racial abuse was claimed, but disproved? If Monreal would have been allowed to stay, if only to observe, at least he would have been able to tell anybody who gave a shit, what was being said! Unless of course Mike Dean has learned Portugese as fast as Zouma learned English.
The next point relates to what was seen and what wasn’t. The FA state that Dean didn’t see the incidents involving Costa, so couldn’t make a decision on the field. So how did he come to the decision to send off Gabriel – with a straight red, and incident that he also didn’t see! Was it the fact that Cesc Fabregas ran around like a blue arsed fly, jumping into Dean’s face and “advising” him what action to take? Was Fabregas “under control”? Our captain was in the picture – theirs turned up just in time to also instruct Dean on what to do.
Finally, I have no faith in the FA/PGMOL to come to the right outcome. I fully expect Costa to get off. I also expect Dean to get a big match this weekend. Sadly, I expect Gabriel to get an extra game ban!
The Real Bad Guys Win again
jake,
The links to the petition were all valid. I won’t go too much in technicalities, suffice to say the words after the first ‘?’ in the link are mostly irrelevant and make no difference as far as the actual website address is concerned.
Just realised that Webb resigned from PGMOB in June, so there is a spot ready for Dean to step into should he choose. Riley and Dean – that would be horrendous!
@Terry White-
You’re correct – I wasn’t at the match and don’t have BT but when I saw the highlights it seemed obvious from Dean’s movements and attention to his earpiece that either Oliver or one of his assistants gave him the order to red-card Gabriel. As the article says it is inconceivable that not one of the four officials could not be aware of what preceded that decision. Until the red card came out no one on TV had called the incident but we have to believe that the GBH that ocurred in the middle of the action, with everyone’s attention focussed on it, was not noticed by the officials but, if my reading of this is right, the stepping back on to Costa’s foot was able to be seen by an official some sixty yard away through a crowd of players and not by Dean who couldn’t have been closer.
I reckon Dean was doing the usual, taking the line of least resistance, handing out two yellows which kept all eleven Chelsea players on the pitch but lost it when the wireless command came in and played the blame the victim game. This has been evident all weekend long. A gutless media, a gutless football authority and gutless officials. The story is being spun of the street-fighter striker playing on the edge and the suckers falling for it. None of that is correct and we now have a set of charges designed to disguise another incompetent performance by the officials and to get everyone to look in the wrong direction. It was ever thus.
All these alleged Arsenal ‘supporters’ who are quick to turn on the club, manager and worse still turn a blind eye and or even support the ones who cheat OUR club; would hate to be your mate in need – to that end… Your mate at all.
Undependable to say the least!
Been in a close to mourning state, while also catching up with the articles and comments. So many good points have been made, that I can hardly find anything more to add.
We just need to keep the memory of this incident alive as much as we can. Imagine what would have happened in the media if one of the protected clubs were on the receiving end of the brutality.
It is somehow a relief to read your article, Walter and Tony. I feel your fury, the fury that we all feel. I heard Costa had been charged and thought at least justice had been done. And then I find that Gabriel is charged and that our club is charged. Absolute disgrace!
Everybody must sign the petition. It must become huge.
As I said yesterday Costa should probably get charged so no suprise to me there nor any at all that Gabriel received a further charge, I said that I thought that would happen. Bit surprised that Carzola didn’t likewise get a charge but a warning is more than enough in the circumstances
I would be very very surprised if Chelsea dispute Costas charge or indeed the failing to control players.
I have no idea if Dean saw the incident but we could see the whole thing unfolding and it was 100% in the direct line of vision of the assistant and if you watch Deans actions he created a clear line of sight between him and the assistant and they then spoke on over the radio. So either one or both of them saw what happened which even Wenger acknowledged happened
I am not too sure that any appeal against the red will be successful and to tell the truth I thought that an appeal under a different provision whereby you accept the sending off but appeal on the basis that the punishment is too severe stood more of a chance and indeed there is precedence in relation to this
So before anyone jumps down my throat I would suspect the following
Costa 3 games the first being Wednesday’s game in the CC which I doubt he would have featured in anyway
Unless Gabieal now admits the charge he will get either 2 or three games for the sending off and unless he is lucky ( I accept not a good choice of words)1 more probably for the other charge.
The two clubs will get fined about £25 k each
I
I hope this case will be fought to a logical conclusion by AFC and all the Gooners. This is a flagrant injustice action by a Pgmo official who robbed Arsenal 1 or 3 points from our game away to Chelsea last Saturday. Mike Dean must have been encouraged to turned the table of fair officiating against Arsenal because he knew the FA will not Punish him for his misdeeds, talkless of his senders, the Pgmo doing anything against him over this matter of grave concern to football lovers over the World. We’ve got to stand up and look the devil in the face and not turn our backs on him but face him squarely. Less, some Pgmo officials won’t stop cheating Arsenal FC on the field of play. We’ve now been cheated 3 times this season, first at home to Liverpool by a Pgmo linesman’s flag that denied us taking all the 3 points from that game. And away to Zagreb in a UCL opening game, an offside goal was allowed against the Gunners by a Uefa version of the Pgmo referee who denied us getting at least a point from that game. And here at home, away to Chelsea, Mike Dean made sure we came out of that game with no point, save his sending of due Abreu and Cazorla. Cazorla was particularly axed by Dean as he noticed the Gunners were threatening to equalise. Heaven helps those who helped themselves.
@Mike T
Why would Gabriel be charged? He already got a red card and will in any case be penalised with a ban. Costa is the one who committed numerous offences for which he was not punished at the time.
I hope this case will be fought to a logical conclusion by AFC and all the Gooners. This is a flagrant injustice action by a Pgmo official who robbed Arsenal 1 or 3 points from our game away to Chelsea last Saturday. Mike Dean must have been encouraged to turned the table of fair officiating against Arsenal because he knew the FA will not Punish him for his misdeeds, talkless of his senders, the Pgmo doing anything against him over this matter of grave concern to football lovers over the World. We’ve got to stand up and look the devil in the face and not turn our backs on him but face him squarely. Less, some Pgmo officials won’t stop cheating Arsenal FC on the field of play. We’ve now been cheated 3 times this season, first at home to Liverpool by a Pgmo linesman’s flag that denied us taking all the 3 points from that game. And away to Zagreb in a UCL opening game, an offside goal was allowed against the Gunners by a Uefa version of the Pgmo referee who denied us getting at least a point from that game. And here at home, away to Chelsea, Mike Dean made sure we came out of that game with no point, save his sending off of De Abreu and Cazorla. Cazorla was particularly axed by Dean as he noticed the Gunners were threatening to equalise. Heaven helps those who helped themselves.
Does anyone know the nature of the charges against Santi and Gabriel?
I ask the question because it was my understanding that once the on field ref “dealt” with the situation, no further action could be taken.
ChelskiMike – kindly do not respond.
@MikeT,
In regards to Costa, I believe that a much longer ban is required now that Costa is a serial offender (similar charge for the stamp on the Liverpool player last year).
Anything short of a 6 match ban for the serial offender would be a real injustice, but I fully expect the FA to once again cowardly heed to the money teams (Chelsea/City) and give the minimum ban of 3 games.
@bjtgooner,
The charges for Gabriel were for his reaction after the red card, not the actual offense.
@ Pat ( BJT don’t read)
As I said yesterday I thought it likely both would receive further charges as they both failed to leave the field of play immediately following their red cards. I wasn’t saying they should be charged but knowing how the FA look on this it was always likely that charges would be laid
Jerry
I am 99% sure that the maximum sanction available is 3 games. . Had the FA thought 3 games were not enough they are required to register a seperate charge and that hasn’t been done. If he or indeed any player gets two reds or similar charges in a season then 4 games become the maximum
The fact that the FA decided to charge Costa was because of the total disbelief worldwide on what was allowed by Costa. Believe me even in my match where I ran the line on Sunday the talk was for a long while about how on earth such a player like Costa was not send off. I think even the FA had to save their face a bit and the face of the PGMO.
If the rest of the world wouldn’t have reacted in disgust and disbelief the FA would have done…. F*ck All.
The FA now charging Arsenal players for not leaving the field immediately shows that they don’t look at the whole incident because of you do you must understand the feeling of injustice of the Arsenal players. And you could just give a warning to behave in the future.
No, the F*cking FA must have another go at Arsenal. And in a way I thank them for doing so as it proves that we over here at Untold have been right for years: football in England from the PL, the FA and the PGMO hate Arsenal. And will do all they can do hold them back or destroy their chances.
Once Arsenal is out of the title race they get more normal refereeing. That has been the pattern since the unbeaten season.
@MikeT,
That is absolutely not true. Just 9 days ago, the FA suspended a National League side player for 10 games for violent conduct, since they felt the standard 3 game punishment was insufficient.
http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2015/sep/glenn-rule-receives-ten-match-suspension-120915
A thought here on how we can move forward. We NEED to be able to trust our officials and football governing body. One way of achieving this would be to make ALL referee’s match reports public. This should be simple – they obviously no longer write them by hand and stick them in the post box on a Monday morning whilst out walking the dog. They presumably upload them to either the FA or PGMOB intranet with the date and time that they do so. It’s only a few key strokes then to publish them.
If nothing else, this would avoid the suspicion that they make the reports fit their actions rather thn what actually went on in the game.
Martin Keown writes a good piece in the MailOnline regarding Costa. Worth a read. Also, as I wrote in a previous thread, he feels Gabriel showed real leadership in defending his teammate.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3242355/
of Course they couldn’t charge for separate sending off offences……..
Gabriel gets a straight red for less than Acosta did to Oxlade Chamberlain. One rule for one, one for another.
And through all this corrupt legerdemain being performed by the FA, nobody gets to ask Dean which of the events he saw. If he saw them and failed to act he is at best incompetent. If he didn’t see them then each one should be judged separately as part of the review of Costa.
But then, that would be justice. And one doesn’t expect that from the kind of corrupt body which manages to spend 850 million pounds building a football stadium where formerly there had only been a football stadium.
This stinks.
Jerry
Please read my comment for in it I say that if the FA feel 3 games ( or what is deemed to be the standard punishment)isnt enough punishment they issue a further charge which in this instance hasn’t happened but as you acknowledge did in the national league case you refer to meaning the regulatory commission will not impose more than a 3 game punishment
I
Clockendrider,
Dean put himself in a no-win situation. By the looks of things he had to choose the lesser of two evils, and claim he didn’t see the Costa-Koscielny incidents. In doing so, he apparently prefers being labeled as incompetent rather than acknowledging bias/corruption. Still bad enough to quite reffing in any half-sane organization. But then again, it’s PGMOB, so… bleah.
@MikeT,
I did read your comment. You stated that you were “99% sure that the maximum sanction available is 3 games” and 2 or more reds where a 4 game suspension is the “maximum”, which I showed you is 100% wrong.
You also state the FA are “required to register a separate charge” which is also not true. Look at the instance of the Stockport County player again, here’s another link, where the player was set to start his “standard 3 game suspension”, the team received notice that he will be suspended for 10 matches.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/stockport-county-player-glenn-rule-10040230
From my understanding (and Walter or other qualified refs can correct me if I’m wrong), the process is
1) the FA charges the player/team
2) player/team can appeal the charge
3) the player/team receives the disciplinary ruling (i.e. matches suspended (standard or more, fines, etc.)
So with all that said, I hope Costa receives more than the standard punishment (which is 3 matches for violent conduct) since he is a repeat offender.
Have they not looked at the kick out at Ox? – the same offence for which Gabriel received a straight red card!
This is the reporting of the Suarez/Ivanovic incident: it is clear that there was just one charge of violent conduct and the three man panel had it within their remit to impose an exemplary suspension. By the way, in all that sophism above you fail to mention that you also called for Wenger to be up before the beak for daring to suggest that Dean might have missed the bleedin’ obvious that the rest of the world and his dog had seen, but that Dean/Oliver/and his two assistants had not or chose to ignore.
” Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has been banned for 10 games by the Football Association for biting Chelsea’s Branislav Ivanovic.
The incident happened during Sunday’s 2-2 draw between the sides.
The 26-year-old later apologised for biting the Chelsea defender and was fined by Liverpool on Monday.
The club, who have until Friday at 12:00 BST to appeal, said they were “shocked and disappointed” at the length of the suspension.
Uruguay international Suarez had accepted the FA charge of violent conduct but claimed his ban should be three games, the standard punishment for violent conduct.
The ban covers their final four games of this season and the first six games of 2013-14 – which could mean Suarez not playing again until late September or even October.
An FA statement read: “A three-person independent regulatory commission today upheld the FA’s claim that a suspension of three matches was clearly insufficient and the player will serve a further seven first-team matches in addition to the standard three. The suspension begins with immediate effect.
“The Liverpool forward had accepted a charge of violent conduct but had denied the FA’s claim that the standard three-match sanction was insufficient for the offence.
“The incident was not seen by the match officials and has therefore been retrospectively reviewed.
“Suarez has until midday on Friday 26 April to appeal [against] the additional suspension, above the standard three matches.”
Jerry/Percy
In a case such as Costa such as Suarez they will have received a charge notice.
In that charge notice one of two things will be included. The first is that the standard punishment(3 games) will be offered. If the FA feel that 3 games is insufficient then they have to include wording to that effect in the charge notice.
When the FA feel that the standard punishment was not appropriate they have always advised us of that fact when they publish details of the charge on their web site
In the Suarez case, in the player mentioned from Stockport County that additional wording was included. In Costas case those words are missing.
Costa will either now accept the charge or dispute it but here what the FAs rule say with regard to any regulatory commissions powers to increase the sanction
Increasing the standard punishment
Where no offer of the standard punishment is made in the charge letter, the Regulatory
Commission may only increase the applicable standard punishment where The FA has
claimed in the Charge that the standard punishment would be clearly insufficient.
Top article Walter. It beggars belief that we were even charged? On what grounds? As i recall it was the rent boys sorrounding Dean. Speaking of Dean, what will it take for him to get sacked and investigated? He clearly isnt fit to be a referee. He is lucky the company is working for is PgMOB who are as just bent as he is. No accountability whatsoever
Walter, if my memory is correct part of the pre match referee preparation is an in house review of the two teams and the identification of potential rule benders and breakers.
So if this was done pre the fiasco at the Bridge, it would be expected that Costa amongst others would have been identified and earmarked for close supervision during the game.
Assuming Gollum51 followed this procedure then he has even less excuse for missing the assaults on Kos and later the attempted assault on the Ox.
I don’t know if the prematch briefing is minuted, but if so, the persons noted in such minutes would surely have a right to see the minutes – similarly for the post match report and the PGMO post match analysis (assuming such things exist) – all under the Freedom of Information Act – surely even the cloistered PGMO are not above the act?
This approach would need legal direction, and could end up being tested in court – but it might give a route into the the PGMO secret society.
Here’s the FA announcent re the Stockport County player- note the wording re insufficient punishment
http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2015/sep/glenn-rule-receives-ten-match-suspension-120915
The Suarez announcement. Again note the wording
http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2013/apr/luis-suarez-charge-liverpool-chelsea-ivanovic
Finally the Costa announcement.
http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2015/sep/diego-costa-gabriel-arsenal-chelsea-charges-210915
thank you florin “signing it”
Charging Arsenal is ridiculous and typical of the “always right whitewash ref culture” of the FA. Actually the converse is true- Dean sent off Arsenal players because he failed to manage Chelsea players- who from the outset demanded Arsenal players be booked whenever there was contact.
The standard of refereeing in England is embarrassingly bad. This game was ruined by Dean- not just for Arsenal fans- by for football.
Dean books far too many, is grossly inconsistent and his decision making is blatantly influenced by factors that should have no influence-like the media as manipulated by Mourinho, the crowd and intimidating players baying for a card.
I’ve signed my petition know let’s get him
The FA are just confirming what we always thought of them; biased and corrupt. Instead of just throwing the book at the real culprit they decide to drag a whole host of other people into the equation needlessly just to muddy the whole process, so they can hide Dean’s incompetence/bias/corruptness. If they did want to add more names then why isn’t zouma charged for grabbing Gabriel’s throat?
The officials DID see what Costa did to Kos, only a fool can believe that story that they missed the whole thing. I mean the assault on Kos took like 10 seconds or more, and they all missed that?? And Dean took a long time before carding both Gabriel and Costa, what was he waiting for??
The Telegraph has an article labelled “7 photos that show Costa got away with it against Arsenal”, and in one of these one of the linesman can be clearly seen directly looking at Costa at the moment his chest makes the contact that knocks Kos to the ground. I don’t want to post links to the whole Telegraph article but you can see for yourselves the image here
Try that again…, image
Everyone is talking about Dean being ban from Arsenal games, think there should be a petition to get Diego Costa removed from the EPL before we start seeing incident like those in the link in the EPL.
http://www.sportskeeda.com/football/antagonist-diego-costa-prime-reason-fifa-take-action-before-too-late
For a player to spit in his hand and flick it at another player just goes to show what a despicable horrible person Diego Costa is. (YouTube video is Diego Costa – Craziest Moments & fights, – there are others as well)
It’s as I said earlier then. Costa’s yellow had to be either for the chest bump or the entanglement with Gabriel in which he, Costa, did at least as much (it was clearly more and we know it) as him. How could that work? It couldn’t.
Well, Costa’s card was apparently for the chest bump, so Dean has tried to pretend after that Gabriel had done something worthy of a yellow while Costa did nothing, i.e did not earn an extra yellow. Not dumb of him, at all, because not a single member of the press will pick up on this. Just like none of them are interested in discussing in what sort of world can Gabriel’s flick be classed as an act of violence. It needs to be just-credible enough, as always.
I knew it had to be that way, or presented that way, but it still smarts.
The threat of extra matches for Gabriel is surely an act of defiance from them. It makes clear that they, after all the reviews and having charged Costa, refuse to see the situation in a remotely fair or sensible light. It’s a fuck you, basically. That they can even propose giving him two extra matches on top of what Shawcross and Taylor got is simply as bad as it gets, revolting.
Not one to wish smashed limbs on- oh, I’m lying, I really do wish smashed limbs on them. Could that teach them the pain of it? Maybe this could, from Stuart Holden, yet another player who fell foul of a good old-fashioned Fergie-raised defender
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/stuart-holden-rehab-diary-soccer/
Not quite as big a fuck you as putting Dean right back in this weekend, but still a big one.
@MikeT,
If you look again at the Costa announcement, there is no recommendation of a standard punishment. And under the FA guidelines, disciplinary procedures schedule A, it states:
“In exceptional circumstances, where the Association is satisfied that the standard punishment that would otherwise apply is clearly insufficient, no standard punishment offer will be made in the charge letter”.
http://www.thefa.com/~/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/rules-of-the-association/2014-15/031d_disciplinary-procedures—schedule-a_b_c.ashx
Since there was no recommendation of the standard punishment in the Costa announcement, the FA is leaving the possibility open to decrease/increase the punishment. The timings of the disciplinary procedure:
1) the charge, 2) the reply by player/team with submissions of evidence. 3) The regulatory commission will decide if the charge stands (if player denies the charge) and will decide the penalty to be served if the charge is proved or accepted by the player.
They can increase/decrease the standard punishment having regard for:
a. the applicable Law(s) of the Game and any relevant FIFA instructions and/or guidelines;
b. the nature of the incident and the Player’s state of mind, in particular any intent, recklessness or negligence;
c. Where applicable, the level of force used;
d. any injury to an opponent caused by the incident;
e. any other impact on the game in which the incident occurred
f. the prevalence of the type of incident in question in football generally;
g. the wider interests of football in applying consistent punishments for dismissal offences.
Hopefully, Chelsea will be as proud and try to deny the charges, so the association can give them further punishment for abuse of process or without any significant foundation.
Rich
Your 11:24pm sums it up nicely. We’re getting punished again for daring to complain about the gross injustices we witnessed at the weekend. Gabriel and Santi find themselves facing further punishment after having been severely punished at the weekend. Meanwhile the zoumas get away with murder…. Arsenal players aren’t even afforded any room for any slightest error. How can some people be so evil?
No wonder some of our players look broken spirit-wise (Ozil doesn’t look happy at all, Giroud is clearly frustrated – who could blame him with the way he gets knocked daily in the media – and Alexis doesn’t look like he’s enjoying his football at all); how can one be expected to work in such an environment? If it was any other place of work this would be regarded as blatant discrimination which would lead to heavy fines.
Over the last couple of days ….
Bill – I have seen your post. I don’t feel that I can publish it but I will take action on the issue you raise.
Tony
Life is a comedy to those who think a tragedy to those who feel – Horace Walpole
I don’t which is more cathartic because I can only shake my head so much.
So, when do they publish the refereeing assignments for this weekend?
The hypocrisy in the media.
In the past the media and some Arsenal fans say our players are to soft and don’t stand up for one another. Now when one of the player stands up and get red carded, they say our players don’t have to mental strength to cope and Wenger should have prepared the players better to avoid Costa’s antics and that Wenger is naive etc.
Crap like this no wonder the WOB’s are increasing in numbers.
Jerry
You really are reading things incorrectly and getting the process confused
And yes you quote the bit in the rules about what a regulatory commission consider but haven’t included the bit that Says they can only do so if the FA charge includes the bit about standard punishment not being sufficient.
The FA aren’t able to just leave things hanging there .The charge letter has to include either the offer of standard punishment or the wording I talk about
Iif Costa accepts the charge then a regulatory committe doesn’t even sit the ban is signed off by a single member of the FA disciplinary team
If you think through the Suarez case he accepted the charge but fought the secondary aspect namely the ability of a commission to increase the ban
We will know later today what is going to happen. I think Chelsea will accept the charge and unless the FA for the first time not published full details then Costa will get three games . If the charge is appealed then the ban starts with a CC game in which he probably wouldn’t have played so in effect two league games. Any challenge to the charge is guarenteed to fail, we all saw what we saw, and you would be facing an almost impossible challenge to argue it wasn’t deserving of a 3 game ban
It must be coming over that I am defending the process, I am not .but if you listen to every report on the matter read every comment I think you will find that they too state that the offence carries no more than a 3 game ban
We have outsiders saying Costa is not a SERIAL offender and that 3 match ban is sufficient, but people much closer to him in the dressing room say “We all know Costa likes to CHEAT” !!
6 game ban minimum for this thug/cheat I say!
If both Arsenal and Chel$kie are getting charged “for not controlling” their players…what should the charge be to Mourinooo for INSTRUCTING and APPLAUDING the actions and play of Serial offender Costa?
I have watched the replay in full a couple times…the amount of, at least, yellow card offenses Costa made in the first half are there for all to see; ranging for blatant diving (a yellow card straight off the bat) to thuggery – the guy still played 80 minutes before being subbed!!
Ludicrous!!
Chelsea = Cheats!
https://twitter.com/swales1968/status/646208541850771456
Not the greatest picture sorry, but look at the positioning of the linesman on the far side how did he have a clear view of the kick (I use that in a very loose term). If it was not him that Dean was talking to then who? The linesman on the near side, how did he have a clear view of the incident from so far away, the 4th official? He would be standing on the halfway line so would not of seen it. So who was Dean chatting too on his head set?
When Costa chest bumped Kos, where was the lineman looking would he not be looking straight along the line as Kos was the last line of defence?
There are far too many questions about Mike Dean and the officials during this game.
1) Was there contact from Coqulien to trip Costa in the first minutes of the game?
2) why was Costa not booked for waving an imaginary card?
3) why did the linesman not see anything wrong in the initial contact between Costa & Kos?
4) what was the linesman looking at when the chest bump happened?
5) what did Dean book Costa for?
6) did Dean actually see the kick out by Gabriel?
7) why did Dean not book any Chelsea player for surrounding him and laying a hand on him?
8) who was Dean talking too on his head set?
9) if Gabriel’s kick was a straight red why was Costa’s kick at Ox not at least a yellow card decision.
10) did the FA not think Zuma’s hand to the throat of Gabriel not worthy of any punishment?
Answers on a post card to
Mike “it’s all about me” Dean
The Farce Association
London
B011OXs
https://twitter.com/swales1968/status/646208541850771456
Not the greatest picture sorry, but look at the positioning of the linesman on the far side how did he have a clear view of the kick (I use that in a very loose term). If it was not him that Dean was talking to then who? The linesman on the near side, how did he have a clear view of the incident from so far away, the 4th official? He would be standing on the halfway line so would not of seen it. So who was Dean chatting too on his head set?
When Costa chest bumped Kos, where was the lineman looking would he not be looking straight along the line as Kos was the last line of defence?
There are far too many questions about Mike Dean and the officials during this game.
1) Was there contact from Coqulien to trip Costa in the first minutes of the game?
2) why was Costa not booked for waving an imaginary card?
3) why did the linesman not see anything wrong in the initial contact between Costa & Kos?
4) what was the linesman looking at when the chest bump happened?
5) what did Dean book Costa for?
6) did Dean actually see the kick out by Gabriel?
7) why did Dean not book any Chelsea player for surrounding him and laying a hand on him?
8) who was Dean talking too on his head set?
9) if Gabriel’s kick was a straight red why was Costa’s kick at Ox not at least a yellow card decision.
10) did the FA not think Zuma’s hand to the throat of Gabriel not worthy of any punishment?
Answers on a post card to
Mike “it’s all about me” Dean
The Farce Association
London
Petition over 80,000!!
@GoingGoingGooner
September 22, 2015 at 4:00 am
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/referees/appointments/
Dean will now turn his attention to West Ham!!!
…and wouldn’t you know it; Atkinson gets a Chelsea game…just to give them another helping hand up the ladder!!!
Arsenal are predictable??
NO!!! PGMOB ARE!!!
We need a new petition!
INVESTIGATE PGMO Ltd: Yes/No
@BILL FROM MANHATTAN
Good to see you posting, even if I can’t read the contents – but seeing your name in these dark times always cheers me up!
First the FA(fuckin assholes)are morons who dont give a shit at all to anything regarding The Arsenal.@swales1968 your questions are spot on.how did the liner see the incident in such a congested place?Who did mike dean shit talk too? and if as the (fuckin assholes)FA say that if the ref doesn’t see they use video evidence, how come they have not seen zuma struggling Gabriel,so who is fooling who.
same from me BILL!Was hoping you might turn up soon.
@MikeT,
In my first post, I already conceded that the FA will be cowards and give Costa the minimum 3 match ban (even though it should be at least 4 as a repeat offender).
If they give more than 3, Chelsea and Moaningho will whine about a “campaign” against them, yet will throw out stats such as Hazard is the most fouled player in the league (without saying that the ref actually calls those fouls and the ones where he dives, where as Arsenal players are assaulted and nothing gets called!).
The wording you talk about is provided during the sentencing phase not prior. The only thing that has to be in the charge letter according to their own rules is if the standard punishment is offered or not.
It probably was just an oversight when the FA released the statement, and I fully expect him to get only the standard 3 match ban. I would surprised if he got more, even though he fully deserves a much longer ban for his multiple offenses in this own particular game and as a repeat offender.
If all the 70,000 people who signed the petition gave a tenner, we could higher a decent lawyer to sue the PGMO/Premier League since the failure of officials has potentially cost us points. If that succeeded you can bet your arse they’d be more careful in future.
Tony , can’t you just give us AKBs a little peek of what BILL has posted. Am truly intrigued . Must have been very juicy !