27 responses

  1. Sue
    03/03/2019

    Good article 👍
    Far too many mistakes (costly mistakes) are being made… these refs are just not doing their jobs properly, the sooner VAR comes in the better. Ref Watch tomorrow on Sky will be interesting… I wonder if all of their mistakes will even be mentioned??? I won’t hold my breath!!
    Robbed… totally robbed.. I’m still devastated

  2. jjgsol
    03/03/2019

    In addition to Vertongen encroaching, he was able to block a goal-bound immediately after, which he would most probably have not been able to do had he not encroached.

    So his breach of the rules ending also with a distinct advantage.

    I would not mind so much if the referees’ mistakes evened themselves out, but we seem to complain about it almost every week.

  3. Steven
    03/03/2019

    Tony’s analysis, as usual, is completely correct. Actually the Telegraph journalist, Chief Sports Writer Sam Wallace, went even further later in his report, arguing that ‘the foul took precedence (over the offside) under the laws of the game’. He obviously hasn’t read the Laws of the Game recently. Law 11 concerning offside makes no mention of fouls taking precedence over offside. It is obvious that the game has to be officiated chronologically. If for example the referee awards a penalty for a trip in the penalty area and then the player who has been fouled strikes his opponent, the violent conduct does not take precedence over the penalty. The penalty kick is still awarded but the aggressor is sent off. Kane’s goal should first have been disallowed for offside. If the referee then wished to take action over Mustafi’s push, he could have issued him with a warning or a card.

  4. Pat
    03/03/2019

    Thanks Tony. Posted on Facebook.

  5. Mandy Dodd
    03/03/2019

    English refs are so good, the World Cup didn’t want them, brilliantly highlighted into the public domain by Mr Wenger , I am sure he paid for that comment as well in one way or another

  6. Ollie Hackney
    03/03/2019

    To my knowledge, that is the first time I’ve ever seen a ref warn about time wasting in the 1st half. The amount of times it is done to us the whole game! With no consequential bookings until the 80th odd min. The disgust i feel i can’t express sufficiently.

  7. Ollie Hackney
    03/03/2019

    Known a ref, not seen a ref.

  8. Nitram
    03/03/2019

    Given Kane’s incident in his previous match in which he aggressively pushed his head towards an opponent (and anyone who suggests that wasn’t the case, ask yourself if a bloke came up to you in the street and did what Kane did would you think it not aggressive?) he shouldn’t even of been on the field in the first place as he should of received a red card.

    The offside ?

    Why didn’t Rose see red for a studs up challenge on Leno?

    The kick back on Kos ?

    Vertonghen encroaching?

    Yes our penalty was soft. Could of gone either way. It’s an I’ve seen em given type of penalty, especially against us.

    The reason being it was subjective, which the offside, studs up, kick back and encroachment clearly are not.

    Yet our own fans come on here straining every sinew in an attempt to justify just about every bad call the ref made against us as well as everyone made in Spurs favour. It beggars belief.

    And what’s more it’s the same old names time and time again.

    Look I know on occasion posters can look at things with rose tinted glasses but surely as Arsenal fans on occasion a little bias is inevitable, but it is at least understandable.

    On the other hand what is not understandable is why supposed Arsenal fans are clearly biased AGAINST Arsenal.

  9. AL
    03/03/2019

    The PL have confirmed the goal should not have stood, via Mark Halsey 👇
    https://twitter.com/RefereeHalsey/status/1102139898222526466?s=19

    Others were trying to push argument Kane was stood in an offside position and therefore a foul on him should be penalised.. well he wasn’t just stood there but was challenging for the ball, so was actively interfering with play.

    The media, as a certain jambug would say, is the major culprit here; they whitewash all the officials mistakes. For instance Sanchez kicking out has not been mentioned at all.

  10. Nitram
    03/03/2019

    Al

    Exactly.

    If it was Arsenal that had gotten away with the offside, the Rose lunge, the Vertonghen encroachment and the Sanchez kick, the media would be having a field day.

    They would be all over it, firstly in an attempt to get the Sanchez kick looked at and our player retrospectively judged and banned.

    And secondly, at least getting it over to all and sundry, especially the referees, just exactly how much Arsenal got away with.

    In other words Lads, Arsenal are due some pay back.

  11. AL
    03/03/2019

    The double standards are sickening, Nitram.

  12. Bernard
    03/03/2019

    I think including the number and importance of referee’s errors with other match statistics would be brilliant. Unfortunately I can’t see it being adopted other than recording the number of decisions changed once VAR is brought in for all premiership games.

    Despite the result, our performance was good yesterday. I had thought that St. Totteringham’s Day had been postponed until next season. Now I’m quietly confident of reaching it by the end of April 2019.

  13. Jjgsol
    03/03/2019

    I would be intrigued to know whether, if PEA had scored the penalty would Taylor have disallowed it for encroachment and required it to be taken again?

  14. rondejonge
    03/03/2019

    to be fair: MOTD highlighted the Kane offside and Vertongens Encroachment. Surprise surprise… The 3 of them even concurred that the Arsenal deserved the win!? More surprise! I guess they are reading untold more often or they anticipating VAR, that will also put punditry under more scrutiny

  15. goonersince72
    03/03/2019

    rondejonge @2:21
    Thanks, I was going to make the same point.
    And Tony, I’m looking at the media reaction to yesterday’s match as real progress. When was the last time any call that went against AFC criticised or even mentioned. Usually it’s applauded and even justified by the media. could this be the start of something? I doubt it but one can always have hope.

  16. Nitram
    03/03/2019

    Thanks lads for that.

    As rule I don’t watch motd, and even if I do I don’t listen to any pre or post match comments and often as not the commentary either.

    Let’s hope it is a change of approach, though somehow I doubt it will last.

    At the moment, as far as some are concerned I suppose it’s still Emery’s honeymoon period.

    My colleague said motd even said Southamtpon should of had a penalty at it.

    Will wonders never cease.

    Still, I’ll give it a while yet before my viewing habits change.

  17. MickHazel
    03/03/2019

    There seems to be an attempt by some of the media to vindicate the award of the penalty against Arsenal by quoting the law which appears to suggest that Kane’s attempt to play the ball occured before the offside decision and was therefore correct. This despite just about every ex ref agreeing that the penalty was wrongly awarded. Surely the way the offside law is applied nowadays means that a player who is in offside position when the ball is played becomes active as soon as he makes a move in an attempt to play the ball, therefore as soon as Kane moved toward the ball he became active and should therefore have been flagged offside. We regularly see players flagged for doing this, why is yesterdays example any different.

  18. Menace
    03/03/2019

    I haven’t seen MOTD but did they cover the Sanchez kick/stamp on the goal line?

    It was caught on camera as it was shown on Star Sports in India.

    Ollie Hackney
    03/03/2019 at 10:34 am spot on mate. The special anti Arsenal treatment dished out goes into every crevice of officiating.

  19. MickHazel
    03/03/2019

    I see Pochettino is bemoaning the terrible treatment Spurs are getting from the referees. He seems to think they were hard done to by Taylor yesterday. Lets be honest, in fact Spurs are a bunch of cheating bastards as far as I can see. Sly elbows, trips, bodychecks etc usualy done after the ball has gone so not usually seen by the ref. I won’t even mention the more blatant dirty fouls we saw yesterday which they specialize in and of course the persistent diving. And yet they get away with most of it.
    Hard done by Pochettino? You couldn’t make it up!!!

  20. Nitram
    03/03/2019

    Mick Hazel

    The thing is Mick, like Fergie before him, he knows that whatever he says, no matter how ludicrously far fetched, the media will treat it as fact and give him their full support, as with all their ‘pets’.

    If you’re not one of the ‘pets’ your words will be either ignored, twisted or ridiculed, as was almost always the case when Wenger even hinted at the mere thought of Arsenal being unfarely treated.

    Anyone out of favour and or not following their agenda receives similar levels of contempt.

    Remember when Benetez had the audacity to suggest United were favoured by referees ?

    He was slaughtered.

  21. TomP
    03/03/2019

    https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/59327

    https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/59303

    I remembered sometime in 2017 arsenal were beneficiaries of a similar incident, where in the match against Burnley koscielny was offside before being fouled by Bert mee in the box. I wanted to see your response to that event and compare with your reaction to the one today. I believe it’s instructive to note your comments Tony in the first article linked.

  22. Les Williams
    03/03/2019

    The telegraph and professional journalist – bit of an oxymoron if you ask me.

    On the other hand he may be talking about PIGMOBs interpreation of the rules and we should watch games with that in mind. Really? – I already do that

    Still it will be interesting seeing certain incidents take precedence over others. I am thinking of a ball going out of play by a striker and then a goal is scored and the ref gives it. After all that is what he is saying – the goal should take precedence over the goal kick.

    I think he was still p***ed when he wrote the article. As you say Tony there is NOTHING in the rules which says later decisions take precedence over earlier ones.

    Refs cant change a free kick call as they can in Rugby because the rules expressly forbid it.

  23. Ay
    03/03/2019

    http://africa.espn.com/football/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3789967/was-kane-offside-before-winning-a-penalty-against-arsenal?src=com

    Interesting interpretations of the offside rule. My opinion is that the law needs to be simplified.

    2seasons, the same incident benefitted us, when Sanchez scored a last minute penalty to give us a win against Burnley. Of course untold didn’t complain then.

  24. Brickfields Gunners
    04/03/2019

    I guess after a job successfully well done of robbing Arsenal of the full 3 points , all the apologists and spin doctors can then turn around to appear to be magnanimous and righteous in their very ‘kind’ comments , knowing full well that it counts for nothing .
    We were cheated . No doubt in my mind . And it will go on.
    And like Tony and others often like to mentioned , the question of ‘why’ is never addressed . Why are English officials so fucking poor ?
    Just proud of the way we played , and cannot truly fault any of our players .
    Up the Gunners !

  25. Juzza_b
    04/03/2019

    The FA website deems to promote ‘fairness’ but week after week they allow the insidious PGMOL to continue their reign of bias. More seriously, I worry for the Arsenal players against Man Utd next weekend as they face the prospect of serious injury without any protection from the Refs. Rob Holding was the last casualty – he hasn’t played since September as a result of Rashford’s assault – a late challenge which of course went totally unpunished. At least Torreira is safe following his absurd red card.

  26. Gord
    04/03/2019

    MickHazel

    Are the spuds being shafted by the officials? They should be getting considerably more cards than they have been getting.

    https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/74462#comment-957175

  27. OlegYch123
    10/03/2019

    remember when Koscielny was scythed in the box while being offside and a penalty was given?
    i think it was against Burnley
    did anyone from the media came out to say that he was fouled before offside? no! they all said it was a wrongly awarded penalty

    same story about last year totts penalties at anfield, everyone was trying to justify dubious (if not plain wrong) decisions in favor of the vagrants

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