Do supporters have any responsiblity at all – or is it all nothing to do with them?

Team P W D L F A GD Pts
17 Everton 3 0 1 2 2 4 -2 1
18 Wolverhampton Wanderers 3 0 1 2 1 3 -2 1
19 Leicester City 3 0 1 2 5 8 -3 1
20 West Ham United 3 0 0 3 0 5 -5 0

 

And let’s be fair, someone has to be bottom.  A year ago it was Arsenal.   So the question for West Ham is, can they do what Arsenal did, and having been bottom after three games, rise up to, well, fifth, for example.

Unfortunately for them, they seemingly have an extra difficulty which Arsenal didn’t have.  For their manager has suggested that because the WHU fans have been booing their own team, he is finding it hard to recruit players.  And one can understand that.  After all, would you go and play for a team which was not only bottom of the league but also being booed by your own fans?  Perhaps not, unless you were desperate.

The manager said, “I had a couple of people at the game at the weekend who were very keen to come to the club, and you just never know when you’ve got people watching you.  So I’m trying to attract top players to the club. I need the crowd to be right behind the team, and right with us all the way, even when it’s not going quite so good.’

And perhaps that is part of the problem.  “Not going quite so good” is not really most people’s way of expressing “being bottom of the league when you expected to be heading for a place in Europe”.

So perhaps not so unexpected that some West Ham supporters seemingly didn’t like this.  Indeed the Mail website has quoted various tweets such as the manager “now trying to blame the fans for people not signing,” and “… then give us something to cheer about instead of week in week out not winning.”

Of course, things have been poor for WHAM for some time, with only five wins in the last 18 games of last season, and only three wins in the league from the last 11 matches in the competition last season.   But it is hard to see how booing helps.  The players certainly know they are losing, and there is every chance that the opposition will be encouraged by booing of the home team.   The very best one can say is that because of the yawning gap between the fans and the pitch the sound might not reach the players.

(And although I don’t recall hearing booing of the Arsenal team during the Wenger era, the constant harping on with lines like “Fourth is not a trophy” most certainly didn’t help the atmosphere in the ground.)

Also, matters are probably not helped at WHAM by the club being up for sale, and all the uncertainty that that sort of situation brings.  But the reality is that there are 20 clubs in the league and half of them are going to end up in the lower half of the table, and three will go down.

In an earlier article, I suggested that “it doesn’t matter who manages Arsenal or what he (or indeed she) does because the media will report whatever agenda they think is going to bring them lots of readers.   As indeed you may recall when Mr Wenger was appointed and a little while later the most appalling allegations about him were invented and a rowdy mob of half-baked journalists gathered at the foot of the steps of Highbury shouting, “What do you have to say about the rumours Mr Wenger?”

Mr Wenger’s reply of “What rumours?” so annoyed them that they were forced, very much against their will, to give up and go to the pub and then print the most biased reports of every single match thereafter.   Wenger saw the media off, but at quite a cost.

During his time at Arsenal, supposed fans accused Wenger and Arsenal of having a “small club mentality” as ever reducing everything to endlessly repeated simplistic phrases until those who invented the phrase, got bored and invented another notion even simpler than the first.   I recall one media outlet wrote during Mr Wenger’s first week at Arsenal, he missed a press conference because he had constipation.   He didn’t because there was no press conference, but if filled up another half page.

I don’t really know what Moyes is like as a manager, I just know that I, as a UK tax payer, have made a contribution to the cost of the WHU stadium.  But I do know that much of what happens at Arsenal, and a lot of what happens in football, is not reported by the media, because it doesn’t fit their agenda.

Maybe Moyes is a useless manager – his points per game average in the league is 1.52.   Unai Emery’s average was 1.85.    Arteta’s is currently 1.86.  Wenger at Arsenal was 1.95.  So yes Moyes is a lower-ranking manager, but then West Ham is a lower-ranking club. The two go together.

If Moyes goes because of the way he is being treated by the fans, what are the chances of bringing in someone with a better record?  After the scenes of fans booing the manager, probably not that good.   Although Large Sam Allerdyce is probably looking for a job. He usually is.

Do supporters have a responsibility?  Yes, they do.  It is to support the team, not to boo, no matter what.

6 Replies to “Do supporters have any responsiblity at all – or is it all nothing to do with them?”

  1. A few inaccuracies as West Ham have actually won more than you have stated including 2 minor European trophies. As for your comments about stadium, are West Ham really at fault there. If seb Coe had had the forethought to agree to the stadium being built such that it could have been converted in to a football stadium after the olympics (as was suggested to him) then maybe the stadium could have been sold outright. Who in their right mind would pay more than they had to, to rent a stadium? Unfortunately as far as some West Ham fans might wish, the club isn’t yet up for sale.

    However, the basic premise of your argument is correct. The fans should bare some responsibility as booing helps no one, especially during the transfer window. But fans pay hard earned money to go to support their team, and all they expect is for the team and manager to put 100% effort in, which they definitely haven’t been so far.

  2. Yes Gary of course you are right, I was only looking at the mainstream trophies. But I guess there is another point behind the issue of the success or otherwise of West Ham – given that the club is not having to pay vast amounts of money per month back to the banks etc for the money to build the stadium, surely they ought to have enough money left over to buy a better team.
    This site has often argued that buying players is not the automatic route to success that some supporters suggest, but really, with no stadium debt and a lot of money coming in from each game, the club should be doing better.

  3. @ Gary

    No, of course it’s not West Ham’s “fault” that they have the use of a new(ish) stadium which costs them peanuts. It’s politicians who are (yet again) at fault for that. Nonetheless, West Ham do undoubtedly benefit from said arrangement particularly when others have had to pay vast sums to acquire a new stadium. As Tony suggests, given this advantage your position is even worse than it looks….if that’s possible!

  4. You have to question how the lovely Karren Brady was able to negotiate such a favourable deal (for West Ham to become tenants at The London Stadium) with Boris Johnson😉

  5. WHU didn’t just get a free stadium, the taxpayer paid for most of the conversion costs and then again for additional seating. The stadium is reported to have made £450m losses in the 5 years up to March 2020 and got a £30m bail-out last year to cover COVID-related losses but none of this lost WHU any money. The taxpayer also pays most of the stadium running costs which according to a Greater London Authority report in 2021 are £8m to £10m a year while WHU pays barely £3m annual rent.
    Man City (pre oil money) being given what had been the 2002 Commonwealth Games stadium (you might remember the Utd fans calling it the Council House) looked like the best deal in football till this came along.
    No insult to WHU, it was excellent dealing by Brady/Gold/Sullivan and more recently Daniel Kretinsky, but with minimal running costs, Tony is right, WHU should be spending their money much more successfully.

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