55 responses

  1. Marcus
    19/12/2011

    I wonder how the players actually feel about the total crookedness of the EPL?

    VP not allowing Dowd to pick him up; Saw Ramsey instructing Dowd at the end on the definition of handball.

    We have no idea what the ruckus was last summer, but Wenger said it was the worst he’d ever experienced, with “half the squad wanting to leave’.

    Imagine you are RVP; you know that you probably won’t get a decent shot at anything being an AFC player; you know that they’ll stop you beating Barca, and as for the EPL, lol…

    Would you say: ‘Ok, this is bollocks, I’ll double my salary and go and “win” competitions that they hand us anyway?’

    the trouble is, and I don’t mean this to sound condescending to other players, but RVP strikes me as highly intelligent… (Zidane had an IQ of 165)

    I wonder if he might just say stuff football at the end of this year…

  2. DogFace
    19/12/2011

    Just made a slight change to the table format Walter to make it more readable – good review!

  3. Mandy dodd
    19/12/2011

    Wish it was only dowd doing this to us, but we seem to get him, dean or Webb most games, especially the big games.
    I think our management should be doing what kenny d did and pay mike riley a visit

  4. Mandy dodd
    19/12/2011

    Correct me if I am wrong but seem to remember dowd being rested after the newcastle game, maybe that was too much even for the pgmol! If true, I guess he has his revenge.
    Sometimes think this sort of thing is one of the best reasons for getting dein back on board, he seems to have influences our current management team does not, he may be able to get his son off our case as well.
    I mean, this season alone, dodgy offside against Liverpool, handball goal against us by spurs, a ref completely taken in by joey Barton of all people at newcastle, then this. Quite amazing we are even in the top half of the table when you thing about it.
    Look out for more when we play Milan, and then some should we get through that when we will no doubt face barca or real.

  5. Mahdain
    19/12/2011

    @mandy that really gets to me too..why is it that we cant have anyone apart from dowd,dean or webb in big matches? i think we can bank on webb being our ref in our next big match..im 90% sure its going to be him or dean which is kinda sad as there are other refs out there who should be given these matches apart from the unholy trinity..i could say its only when clattenburg referees one of our big matches when im not worried of getting screwed totally…yes he has his weaknesses but atleast he is not a complete biased twat as dean or dowd or webb for that matter

  6. Cape Gooner
    19/12/2011

    Thanks reviewer 4. Please look again at the Song yellow. As I saw it Silva had the ball while pretty much stationary. He played the ball with his left foot, past Song who was approaching at a canter from his left. He immediately jumped into the air towards Song. Song came to a halt 2 or 3 feet short of where Silva used to be standing, but because Silva had jumped towards Song, they collided.

    I don’t think it was a foul, let alone a card!

  7. Phil Gregory
    19/12/2011

    Cape Gooner – unless I’m reading it wrong, the reviewer has marked it down as wrongly given.

  8. nicky
    19/12/2011

    At the risk of going against the spirit of Christmas goodwill,
    I continue to question the value of these surveys into the actions of referees at Arsenal matches. Invariably, the results are the same. We are being denied fair treatment at virtually every game by the officials, either deliberately or by incompetence.
    But the real result of these surveys is the inevitable conveyance of grievance to all who support our great Club, without any means of redress.
    The reviewers carry out their tasks with great care and expertise and are to be congratulated.
    At the end of the day, though, what have they achieved? The raising of the blood pressures of all right-minded Gooners and
    (sadly) little else.

  9. john
    19/12/2011

    I think that PHIL DOWD should be put out to pasture he is unfit to referee matches always wellbehind the play.ALL he is is a fat lazy pig scumbag of a referee.

  10. Mandy dodd
    19/12/2011

    See where you are coming from nicky, but there is a lot going on out there, corruption allegations on almost a daily basis throughout sport, just saw this a couple mins ago in fact

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/19122011/58/serie-doni-among-17-arrested-italian-scandal.html

    Only my own opinion but the more some of this stuff is publicised, the more chance of one day something being done about it, hopefully before it kills the game. I am not saying dowd is corrupt however these reviews over time seem to demonstrate he has a case to answer at the very least. Corrupt, inept or bias, who knows, but we get these same certain refs week in week out, there are clear patterns to be seen with some of them, and yes, you are correct, it does raise my blood pressure!

  11. meditation
    19/12/2011

    @mandydodd I feel some of our players are backstabbing arsenal. I have no evidence but i feel djourou is on the take. Mysterious injuries,downturn in performances. Mistakes and injuries in key loses. Remember the shoulder injury.Look at his face yesterday just after he felt like he pulled something. Also dont get me started with phil dowd. patting nasri on the back because he almost punished us with a through ball . Thats what a teammate would do.Im loosing faith in football as this bullshit product. Dont get me wrong arsenal didnt help themselves with wrong choices, but we are expecting the players to be more than human and letting the officials get away with things by saying they are just human. Funny really.

  12. Cape Gooner
    19/12/2011

    @Phil Gregory

    December 19, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Cape Gooner – unless I’m reading it wrong, the reviewer has marked it down as wrongly given

    No, he says the card was wrongly given – I am saying it wasn’t a foul at all.

  13. RedGooner
    19/12/2011

    I disagree I think the dowd this season is the dowd of every season ref well in other games and stick it to arsenal ….the trends for him on other games dont matter they probably equal his trend on those games last season.

    Ive been waiting for someone to mention song for awhile theres certainly something off with him for a year and a half now but I dont think its anything like what your saying meditation.
    I think he views been at arsenal as the achievemnt rather than winning with arsenal as an achievement ala bendtner and a few others.

  14. RedGooner
    19/12/2011

    The more I think about it someone should do an article on that do our young players vela bendtener song and many others who didnt make the grade …View been at aarsenal as the goal rather than winning when you get to arsenal as the goal they should have set.

  15. walter
    19/12/2011

    Redgooner, an interesting remark I think.
    The problem with your remark is that until this season we didn’t do games of other teams with Dowd.
    Something to keep at the back of our mind when we analyse things more deeply when we have done more games

  16. walter
    19/12/2011

    I mean your remark about Dowd only being bad in Arsenal games…

  17. WalterBroeckx
    19/12/2011

    I included the picture which shows that RVP was onside when his goal was disallowed

  18. Gooner Gal
    19/12/2011

    @ Walter, thanks for this article and appreciate your efforts.

    Makes me want to find out what some of those journalists involved in the Leveson enquiry charge. I am sure they could find out Dowd’s dirty secrets.

  19. Jimin
    19/12/2011

    Pls walter, i’ll like to know. Can someone be able to use this evidence and challenge the powers of epl legally?

  20. bjtgooner
    19/12/2011

    This is an excellent review and very accurate. I agree the Song booking was very soft and almost contrived by Silva/Dowd.

    I found it disgusting the way some of the city players tried to get ours booked by appealing to the ref and then went unpunished for their antics.

    Dowd successfully screwed us yesterday – once again. Each time he does this he seems totally unrepentant and happy at the thought of more of the same next time. I cannot decide if he is Dowd the Dork or Dowd the Diabolical!

    But, I am proud of our team and they way they played. Keep it going guys!

  21. Marcus
    19/12/2011

    (For Mr Leveson: to the tune of Private Investigations)

    Soho Square Allegations:

    It’s a piss-take to me – the game commences
    for the usual fee – plus expenses
    unaccountable decisions – it’s not a public inquiry

    I don’t fill in any reports – rigging up the games
    You get to cheat all sorts in this line of work
    Treachery and treason – there’s always an excuse for it
    and at the end of the season – I can’t get traduced for it

    And what have you got on Match of the Day?
    What have they got to actually say?
    a BBC pension and a new set of lies
    Edited highlights, something to rationalize

    Scarred for life – nocompensation
    Soho square allegations

  22. Donnyfan1
    19/12/2011

    Dowd may be an average Ref in general but he is a lousy disgrace when he refs Arsenal games. What is the total now– 100 bad calls against Arsenal to 22 bad calls against the opponents in the last 7 games? How can a man be allowed on a football pitch with those figures? Any jury would convict on such evidence. What do the assessors and Mother Riley get paid for? Another totally unfair 3 points up the spout. The bastards have cost us 14 to 16 so far this season– again.

  23. meditation
    19/12/2011

    http://footballisfixed.blogspot.com/ interesting how this ties in to the ref reviews

  24. walter
    20/12/2011

    Thanks for the link meditation

  25. WalterBroeckx
    20/12/2011

    Marcus,
    You just made my day. I wish that I had written that. MK and Dire Straits one of my favourites 🙂

  26. Laundryender
    20/12/2011

    I think the performance of Foy from Lancashire in the Stoke V Spurs game, and the Dowd from Staffordshire last Sunday, confirms for me the problem clubs from the South face when travelling to the North.

    It does not matter if it is Old Trafford, St James Park, Anfield, or the DW. Clubs from the south do not get decisions in the north. It is a kind of institutionalised bias we are fighting. The invincibles overcame it despite the system because they were just too good. Chelsea managed it because of the England connection and because Mourinho understands you have to play the bastards at their own game, and cheat (he did this brilliantly at Porto, Chelsea, and Inter)

    Our team has a bit more savvy about it now, and we could have got something on Sunday despite Dowds attempts. The fact is that the Northern Bias built into the system means that we don’t only have to be better than the rest, we also have to overcome the loading.
    The review is a very good one, is as I saw the game, and is a sad reflection on the EPL

  27. Micko
    20/12/2011

    @Laundryender – pretty good analysis of the situation, although I think that there is a bit more to it than that.

    I did like this comment from the site that meditation quoted though “09:34 Rumours that Manchester City are trying to buy Mike Dean are wide of the mark. Tottenham are refusing to sell”.

  28. Mahdain
    20/12/2011

    i just took a look at the referee appointments for our next 4 games and i think we are in for a rough ride during the busy january/feb period..in our next 4 games we have moss,attwell,atkinson and probert which means we will be getting the likes of webb,dean,dowd and mason after that…and im pretty sure its going to be howard webb when we face united on 22/1/2012

  29. Mandy Dodd
    20/12/2011

    Just read that Meditation – interesting?
    Take it we will have Moss as our ref against West Brom then?

    • DogFace
      20/12/2011

      No Mandy – Moss is the ref Vs Villa – but we have West Brom after that… so expect one of our key players to take a straight red!

  30. WalterBroeckx
    20/12/2011

    Dogface, could you find who were the assistants that did the game MU-Chelsea this season. I know Dowd was in charge and Chelsea lost to two offside goals that day. So would be interesting to see if it was the same assistants who were so bad about the offside calls that day and today.
    If they are the same: what on earth are they still doing in the EPL because this was terrible??
    If they are not the same: how on earth is it possible that Dowd always ends up with incapable assistants????

    Strange pattern either way you look at it…

    • DogFace
      20/12/2011

      @Walter – the assistants are piss-ants, they do exactly what they are told via their headset… like a robot but cheaper.

  31. Mandy Dodd
    20/12/2011

    Interesting I know a couple Chelsea fans and they view Dowd in exactly the same way we do – maybe some northern bias, although Spurs under Arry seem to be escaping all this sort of thing, wonder why?
    Strange – some refs widely suspected of favouring certain teams, Webb – Utd , Dean – Spurs, Atkinson – Chelsea, Dowd – maybe anyone other than Arsenal or Chelsea? and from the above, Moss – West Brom?

    Strange how ofter we at least seem to get Webb against Utd, Dean against the Spuds, Dowd …the less said the better.
    I know what Fergie has to say when Utd get Akinson against Chelsea, I would imagine the result being he would very rarely ref Utd Chelsea games. Maybe we should be making more of an issue? Or do we not have the clout? Or do we have too much class to get involved.

    I know I have mentioned this before but I am really intrigued to know what Kenny said on his meeting with Mike Riley this year. Nothing against Kenny’s integity but any internet search will reveal he has at times hooked up with some pretty unsavory characters, it must be said mainly through agents, my point, if something has been going on, he will know about it, added of course to his vast experience in the game. Was his talk with Riley in a friendly, cordial atmosphere where the two got their respective points across?, or did he threaten to expose a few things. All speculation, but the result, Liverpool,certainly seemed to get the rub of the green with refs in subsequent games, Suarez seems to continue to do so!

  32. Mahdain
    20/12/2011

    @mandy he will be the ref against villa..attwell for wolves,atkinson for QPR and “poor”bet for fulham

  33. Mahdain
    20/12/2011

    @mandy i just read the article from meditation and now i understand what you meant…looks like we have to worry about him too…*sighs* its not like we dont have enough of them to worry about

  34. marcus
    20/12/2011

    Glad you liked it Walter…we try to humour you Dogface and the other refs for all the incredible work you are doing.

    It was a quick draft, feel free to make it better…

  35. Cape Gooner
    20/12/2011

    Four game changing errors in one match!

    • Song yellow
    • Barry second yellow
    • RvP goal
    • Richards penalty

    What has to happen for the club to do something?

    I have a question about the penalty. If Richards had moved his arm so as not to handle the ball, AA would have had a clear goal scoring opportunity. Does that mean if he gives the penalty it would also be a red card?

  36. marcus
    20/12/2011

    Meditation’s link bears repeating; some extraordinary work there too.

    http://footballisfixed.blogspot.com/

    “interesting how this ties in to the ref reviews”

  37. Mandy Dodd
    20/12/2011

    Thanks Mahdain, will be looking out for this ref when we do play West Brom though.
    That link from Meditation contains really damning allegations – wish I had the info they seem to get hold of!

  38. Gord
    20/12/2011

    Manu-Chelsea 20110918

    Manchester United v Chelsea (kick off 16.00)

    Referee: P Dowd. Assistants: G Turner,A Watts
    Fourth Official – P Walton
    Match Delegate – J Duncan
    PGMO – D Horlick

    Some of these seem to have the title “Match Officials Appointments” and some seem to have “Referees Assignments”. But visiting Google and doing

    site:premierleague.com match officials assignments

    seems to find the games reliably. There seems to be old results online as well (I see some from April 2010 for example.

    Who are the Match Delegate and PGMO?

  39. Mandy Dodd
    20/12/2011

    Either a straight red, or a tasty tackle of RVP!

  40. finsbury
    20/12/2011

    “A high-profile Chinese referee has confessed in court to receiving bribes to fix two international friendlies – one of them involving Manchester United – as well as six Chinese club matches between 2005 and 2009.”

    That’s a quote taken from the Manchester Grunt, apologies but I don’t like to drop links to their site.

  41. WalterBroeckx
    20/12/2011

    Thanks Dogface.

    So why does Dowd always seem to get assistants who make a lot of mistakes?

    In fact I just checked the numbers and … amazing… does lightning strikes twice?

  42. Gord
    20/12/2011

    Well, I guess referees have a little more work to do now. Suarez gets 8 games and a 40,000 Pound Stirling fine for racially abusing Evra.

  43. menace
    21/12/2011

    It is a real shame that Arsenal has to play against teams with such magnificent midfields. Their players carry whistles. Both the Manchester teams had this type of midfielder this weekend. The shame of it all is that corruption is so blatant yet it goes on unchecked.
    How can the BBC allow this to occur in its homeland? The same BBC that helped rid apartheid and terrorism in many countries.

    On racism front, there seems to be an unusual delay in the John Terry case. I wonder if the FA will see any reason to investigate its own behaviour with Arsene over the past seasons? There is also a case for the media to answer, with their constant harping on his Nationality.

  44. bob
    21/12/2011

    nicky,
    What are you possibly up to? Do you have a pulse?

  45. bob
    21/12/2011

    Gord,
    Do you know where that fine goes when it’s eventually paid?

  46. bob
    21/12/2011

    Dogface,
    I know you say they’re robots, but the refs can’t keep up and see everything; and even though the ref can overrule, the assistant’s mis-call can give the ref to simply go with it and have the cover that it’s the assistant’s call. In any case, it brings up again, imo, the need to tracking which assistants are working which matches of ours. That is to say, if you took say our 10-20 most “tilted” matches over the last 3 years, would there be any notable correlations with repeat offenders among the noble flagmen? Don’t you have the names of the assistants from your match previews?

    • DogFace
      24/12/2011

      Bob – the referee, 4th and secret 5th official in the stands with a video monitor tells them what to call.

  47. bob
    21/12/2011

    Walter,
    I concur with your desire to look into who are assistants and what really goes on between refs and assistants. In your experience, when do refs tend to overrule assistants or tend to defer to assistants? Wouldn’t we love to listen in on those headphones when the Unholy Trinity (Dowd, Dean, Webb) are our overseers.

  48. bob
    21/12/2011

    What would it take to have a bevvy of Untolds to show up at the Emirates next time we are EnDowd and hand out leaflets and show a large placard. There needs to be some modicum of whistle blowing off the pitch in order to get more of it on the pitch. This to say that, yet again, nothing will change without a demand – a petition – that begins and asks, on behalf of all footballers, for their to be any number of reforms put into place, starting with video replay, or whatever. This reminds me of a great old Steve Bell cartoon in the Guardian with an irate family on its couch screaming this at the boob tube: “Why Don’t They Do Something!” Well…

  49. Gord
    21/12/2011

    @bob

    I had never inquired or sought that information before. Unfortunately, TheFA can’t keep all their links working, so all I could find was a 2008 copy of their Disciplinary Procedures (77 pages). On page 8 it talks about players that get far too many “penalty points” in a season, and who are brought up for charges at the end of the season. In the Premier League, the maximum fine under this section of the procedures is 100,000 Pounds Stirling. It is my guess that if any fine is extracted from Suarez, it would be treated the same way this occurrence is.

    In any event, the Disciplinary Procedures say “(e) Proceeds of fines imposed under this Section of the Disciplinary Procedures shall be disbursed as decided by The Association.”.

    So, my guess is that TheFA can do with the money whatever it pleases.

    I didn’t look for other disbursement rules in the document.

  50. bob
    21/12/2011

    Gord,
    Cheers, for looking…
    Perhaps any fine money will go to Riley as Xmas bonuses to
    the Unholy Trinity (Dowd, Dean, Webb) for $ervice$ rendered?

  51. WalterBroeckx
    21/12/2011

    I think they hold a big party for the “insiders” at the end of the (each) season with that money….

  52. bob
    21/12/2011

    How might Dowd fare in China? Well, not that anyone asked, but here’s fascinating reading on how the massive ref match fixing scandal is being dealt with thereabouts: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/20/chinese-referee-fixing-manchester-united
    Any thoughts, mates?

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