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  1. Menace
    30/08/2019

    The officials for our match are –
    Referee: Martin Atkinson. Assistants: Lee Betts, Constantine Hatzidakis. Fourth official: Andre Marriner.

    VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Stephen Child.

    This gives us a good chance of a less biased officiated game so we should win pretty comfortably assuming we take our chances. It is critical that we play the ball forward quickly from goal kicks and do not give Spuds an opportunity to steal the ball with a high press.

    COYG

  2. Gord
    31/08/2019

    OT: Do Referees Still Follow Rules and Regulations?

    This is an article out of Zimbabwe. It is not in depth, but it is at least trying to find some answers to bias (or tilting the field).

    https://www.chronicle.co.zw/do-referees-still-follow-rules-and-regulations/

    It is slightly simplistic in that it assumes that a referee can have allegiance to a single team, and no animosity to any teams. When I was following ice hockey, my two favorite teams were Edmonton and whoever was playing Calgary. I can easily imagine a fan for ManU disliking Man$ity, Liverpool and Everton (in roughly that order).

    A recent case in point involved Hwange and FC Platinum at the Colliery Stadium where Pure Platinum Play left the coal mining town feeling hard done by the match officials of the day. Two of them are long serving employees of Hwange Colliery Company, the principal sponsors of Chipangano.

    Further down the article, we see these 2 paragraphs:

    Many decisions left to the discretion of a referee and his association might influence his decisions during a match.

    “It’s not really bias but perceived bias,” noted one observer.

    I don’t think perceived bias is an issue, I don’t think it is even important. I think a better description is conscious (or deliberate) bias as compared to unconscious bias.

    —A comment of mine—

    In circumstances where a referee might extend some help to team A by making it more difficult for Team B (who typically finishes close to Team A in the final standings); you might find a referee that tilts the field to make things difficult for Team B in the beginning of the season, but if Team A has a big lead in the standings over Team B at the end of the season, not tilt a game involving Team B.

  3. Les Williams
    31/08/2019

    @Gord just watched Berlin against Dortmund – nice 3rd party fix. Berlin had about 4 bookable tackles and one against an Achilles tendon – NO yellow cards.

    Referee Brych is based in Munich – need I say more

    The same ref who denied Roma clear penalties against Liverpool a couple of seasons ago..

    So No I do not believe they follow rules and regulations – they interpret them to fit their bias.

    It was quite noticeable that the Dortmund players didn’t try too hard – I am sure they know what was going on and didn’t tackle for fear of a red card.

    The question I ask is how do these refs get big games when they are so incompetent.

    Football really is becoming so rigged.

    I watched Rugby last night – France Italy – what a difference in officiating, Clear, fair and objective.

  4. Menace
    31/08/2019

    @Les Williams – Rugby officiating is transparent to the point where radios are available to listen in to the referees conversation.

    The PGMOL will not allow any transparency as they have a lucrative arrangement with the FA that probably allows millions to disappear from the game. The whole setup in English football stinks and has done since just before the PGMOL were given the contract.

  5. Gord
    01/09/2019

    Menace

    I would think that a SDR could probably pick up the PGMOL conversations. It is entirely possible that the conversations are encrypted. It might be possible to break said encryption.

    The thing to do, would be to record (at least) one season of conversation, decode it as quickly as possible and then go looking for corroborating evidence. And then once a season (or more) has passed; publish the lot all at one time.

  6. Les Williams
    01/09/2019

    The other problem with not hearing communications is that refs can ignore when VAR tell them to look at something.

    In the world cup last year Brych was sent home when he ignored a VAR call to look at a stonewall penalty in Serbia vs Switzerland. To add insult to injury he then booked the Serbian player for speaking to him.

    The PIGMOB referees were so bad they didn’t even make it top the world cup. They still do UEFA matches but when Hugh Dallas is on the referees executive committee one has to ask about whether there is any integrity left in UEFA when they pick an obviously corrupt referee to police others.

    In rugby because we hear what is being said they have to look or listen to the explanation. In all other sports the officials tend to work as a team, not like football where the referee thinks he is a god like figure to be obeyed.

    I am finding it harder and harder to watch football matches from anywhere without wondering how the game has been tilted for another teams benefit – and then being told that the ref is being fair when he is nothing of the sort. The result of the game is becoming less and less significant and it is more about how far they can corrupt the game. VAR does NOT appear to changing this sadly, the only way it will is if we have an open transparent system where we hear what is being said – yes I know that is a pipe dream.

    I also find it strange that there appears to different rules for different games in the same country. I always thought that the rules of sport were adhered to universally (stupid me). As i said in a previous post I watched a couple of premier league games recently and was amazed at how little of the rules of the sport appeared to be followed.

  7. Nitram
    01/09/2019

    Luiz shirt pull penalty card.

    Yesterday in the Man United match there was a pull on a United player. Free kick. Card.

    I think it was in our first home match there were at least 3 shirt pulls on our players and I’m pretty sure not all were given and they certainly weren’t booked.

    Referees pick and choose when and how they apply the rules, on what seems a completely indiscriminate basis, depending I have no doubt at all on their bias.

    I just hope our game is refereed better than last year because that was beyond a joke.

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