22 responses

  1. Grant Dixon
    29/02/2020

    I have always felt that Arsenal’s decline was initiated by the removal of David Dein from the club. Then the buyout by Kronke sealed the club’s fate. Since these two events, there has been a decline both on and off the field. Disastrous contract renewal policies, sub standard recruiting overall.

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  2. Wale
    29/02/2020

    Nice one Tony. There is a saying that “ you never value what you have until you have lost it. I believe when Arsenal started this project years back, Mr Wenger was the mastermind and he promised and made sure that Arsenal always qualified for the UCL. The shallow minded analysts and commentators criticized and tried to ridicule everything Wenger and Arsenal. Now every club that has spent 100times was used by Wenger to qualify for the UCL. I find it amusing that people are complaining. Hilarious

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  3. Grandad
    29/02/2020

    Bad Management decisions which embrace contract issues and player acquisitions, is the main cause of our downfall.The fact that we have a weak, aging Board is another reason for our lack of success during the past 6/7 years.

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  4. Mandy Dodd
    29/02/2020

    Watford, of all teams, are honouring The Invincibles, the PGMOL will have to work very hard to save LiVARpool in this game now

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  5. GoingGoingGooner
    29/02/2020

    This Watford result will be the highlight of our season…Thanks, neighbours.

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  6. WalterBroeckx
    29/02/2020

    49 49 undefeated…. 🙂

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  7. Menace
    29/02/2020

    Still invincible !!!!

    Watford 3 Liverpool 0

    Say no more……

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  8. Zedsaunt
    29/02/2020

    At last, the season made up. Thank you Watford.

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  9. Andrew Crawshaw
    29/02/2020

    Off topic but just leaving Nottingham after we lost in time added on to an offside Chelsea’s goal. I knew something was amiss when no replay was shown on the TV screen. Chelsea won 2-1 with their keeper the best player in their team. As a helsea supporter said to me in the gents at the end of the match x the best team lost today.

    Bl…y incompetent officials!

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  10. Va Cong
    29/02/2020

    Thank fuck for that been waiting all season! go Watford!

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  11. Gord
    29/02/2020

    Arsenal.com match report doesn’t even hint that Chel$ea winning goal was offside. And, I am not seeing articles on the game in Google news.

    If you visit places like TheGuardm,vdfkjndfvjndfzjnfjvn , Irish Times, … you can see they have written about the game. Few places say the Watford injury has anything LiVARpool! component to it.

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  12. Chris
    29/02/2020

    Go Watford Go !
    Just proves how 49 is an incredible feat

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  13. goonersince72
    29/02/2020

    Best thing about the Watford win was doing it against the best efforts of Michael Oliver. I’m no fan of Deeney but Lovren had both arms around him pulling him back inside the box and out and not one call! The commentating puppets on each and every replay said “no foul for me”. No foul?, he should have had 8 yellows at least. Van Dijk can push, maul, trip, etc. and there’s no call. He is very talented but with the protection of the PGMO. They lost today, couldn’t save Liverpool’s unbeaten season or streak. Riley must be apoplectic. Curious to watch Oliver’s assigments going forward. Will there be consequences?

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  14. seismic
    29/02/2020

    Oliver used to be a good referee. Those days are long gone

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  15. Deb
    01/03/2020

    Well Tony, I consider you a moaner not because you have suggested or not suggested a strategy moving forward, I consider you a moaner because just as in the definition you quoted, you are given to excessive complaining and whinging about everybody else other than untold, Wenger and arsenal.

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    • Tony Attwood
      01/03/2020

      Deb, following your comment, then presumably you are a moaner too by your own definition.
      You have now had 43 posts published (and quite a few which were not published in which you have moaned about me). Now that, by virtually any definition is an obsession, as well as moaning. Of course many people don’t like what I and others write on this site, but they manage to get on with their lives and not write post after post after post whinging and whining and indeed moaning about me, and which are for the most part like this post – nothing at all but personal negative opinion. To send in so many posts shows a very unhealthy obsession.
      At least if I do moan (which by my own definition I don’t although by your definition I do) I do it in combination with proposals for what should be done to put things right in the club I support; a club that millions support. All you do over and over and over and over is complain about one guy writing a blog – when you must know perfectly well, it won’t make a blind bit of difference. OK we do get a fair sized audience, but really we can hardly be said to be a major influence.
      Have you ever asked yourself, what on earth is the point of going on and on and on and on and on and on about one guy writing one blog? Surely if you had any vestige of a life you’d do something more productive.
      I must admit I have on one or two occasions when yet another whinging and whining comment has come in from you, I’ve thought of banning you from this site, but in the end it is the thought of the awful life you must have wherein it is so important to you to keep on and on and on complaining about me that causes me to allow you to continue in a life in which complaining about me is important enough to write all these comments.
      Indeed I think it is time to gather the collected moaning of Deb and place it together so people can see just what happens when an individiual lets this sort of activity get out of control.

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  16. Josif
    01/03/2020

    @seismic – now he is not the best in his house!

    @Tony

    There are two separate strategies Arsenal have been using to get us back to the top – one is pure Arsene, the other one is pure crap.

    The Arsene one is the one we can identify with – unearth gems such as Martinelli (£7m!!!), get their best football years and then sell them for £50-60m. Promote youngsters such as Smith Rowe, Nketiah, Saka, who knows, maybe even Balogun…and hope they will come good. Then earn big money on their sale while replacing them with new gems – bought or brought through the youth ranks. Buy players with a resale value (Saliba). Make stars instead of buying them.

    The second channel we use, however, is everything we despise. Superagents are now welcomed at Arsenal. People like Kia Joorabchian and Jorge Mendes have been earning big money (seriously, how much money have we spent on their services in 2019?) thanks to their close connections with Edu and Raul. We get involved in stupid transfers (Cedric, David Luiz) and then it turns out those players are represented by either of our superagent-friends. No wonder Arsene didn’t want to see them at Arsenal.

    The thing is, nobody can say which model or combination of models (like the one we use) will work. There are only a few pointers for those who want to win stuff.

    If a club wants to win Premier League these days, players and the manager have to run the marathon at the pace of a sprint. Win fewer than 30 games and you are out of the title race. Liverpool even lost the title race last season despite winning 30 games, losing just one and picking 97 points, third best record ever.

    Running marathon like a sprint requires a lot of things.

    Firstly, you need a philosophy, a vision, an idea of what values you want to represent on the pitch. With Mikel Arteta we can see what we want, what he wants. There is a plan and that’s the fundament for any future success.

    Secondly, you need players that are both physically and mentally prepared to deal with those 9 months of football and capable of imposing the manager’s idea on the pitch. I’d say we are long way from it but let’s wait for the first summer preseason for Arteta.

    Thirdly, you need support from the board/owners. Klopp got precisely those players he had wanted. Not a Van Dijk but THE Van Dijk. Emery, for instance, wanted Maguire and got David Luiz instead. You want Mercedes but your boss just happens to know the dealer who has a perfect Yugo for you. Arteta’s vision requires players that fit his vision. Not some patches but real things.

    Fourthly, you need support and patience from the fans through bad times. Klopp got it. Emery didn’t. Arteta has to get it. If he doesn’t, don’t be surprised if we end up with 15 managers in the next 15 years trying to get Europa League football and/or avoid relegation.

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  17. Kenward Garg
    01/03/2020

    Deb-untold? PS. Keep up the good work. Investigative journalism at its best.

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  18. Nitram
    01/03/2020

    Grant Dixon

    “I have always felt that Arsenal’s decline was initiated by the removal of David Dein from the club. Then the buyout by Kronke sealed the club’s fate.”

    Have you? And why is that, because this is utterly untrue and cannot be substantiated with facts in any way shape or form. I have disproved this theory many many times. I am not going to go into the season by season analysis I have done before but basically:

    – We stopped winning things when we committed financially to the building of the Emirates stadium. We went 10 years on a zero Net spend on player acquisition. It had little or nothing to do with David Deans exit from the Club.

    – In the immediate aftermath of Kroenkes majority share acquisition we started spending more on players and as a result we started winning trophies, whilst maintaining our top 4 status. So we actually IMPROVED.

    Yes, for the last 3 years we have seen a decline, but that is far more complicated than simply laying the blame at Kroenkes door.

    2015 – 2016: 2nd in PL

    2016 – 2017: Won the FA Cup. Finished 5th in PL, missing out on top 4 by just 1 point.

    That is the kind of failure Spurs would die for. At the time, that would of also been success for Liverpool. Yes, we all wanted to win the PL or even the CL, but we are up against some very good teams with lots and lots of money. It is not easy, and whilst I agree that it’s frustrating, I don’t agree it is anything like the catastrophic failure it was continually painted as.

    So that leaves just 2 seasons that can really be classed as ‘failures’, 17-18 and 18-19, and even then we had another trip to Wembley and picked up a community shield. So even when we are supposedly s*** we still win more than the magnificent Spurs, and again at the time Liverpool. Both of those Clubs, still in their mega trophy droughts at the time, were getting nothing like the abuse we were getting, and that was just from our own fans.

    We are having a poor time of it at the moment of that there is no doubt, but as for the why, that is way more complicated than simply blaming the loss of Dean (really) or the arrival of Kroenke.

    While I’m typing this I’ve just had a ‘pop up’ from Gooner News with the headline: Cole says Arsenal are Miles behind United and Spurs.

    Are they?

    I think you’ll find we’re 3 points behind Spurs and 4 behind United. Is that MILES?

    We have had one defeat in 2020.

    In the PL we are on a good run. Spurs are having a poor run.

    Yes we are out of the EL but Spurs are up against it in the CL as well.

    How the situation these 3 clubs find themselves in puts us ‘miles behind’ is anyone’s guess, but hey, this is Arsenal so lets not miss a chance to yet again turn a defeat into a full blown disaster.

    Chelsea were absolutely battered the other night and all I heard was excuse after excuse, excuses we were and never would be afforded. They drew at relegation threatened Bournemouth. We are not that far behind Chelsea, let alone United and Spurs, but as I say, when it’s us, one defeat is turned into a complete catastrophe.

    Yes, it wasn’t our best performance but even so we were a terrible miss away from going through. It happens, not just to us, but to every team on occasions.

    But hey, this is Arsenal, where winning is never enough, so what hope have we got if we lose.

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  19. Gord
    01/03/2020

    OT: Conti Cup

    Eurosport mentions that perhaps the better team didn’t win, but says nothing about Chel$ea second goal possibly being offside.

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  20. Nitram
    01/03/2020

    And as if by magic to reiterate my point:

    Everton 1 – 1 Man Utd

    Spurs 2 – 3 Wolves

    So I can slightly adjust what I said earlier to:

    While I’m typing this I’ve just had a ‘pop up’ from Gooner News with the headline: Cole says Arsenal are Miles behind United and Spurs.

    Are they?

    I think you’ll find we’re 3 points behind Spurs and 5 behind United, WITH A GAME IN HAND. Is that MILES?

    If we win our game in hand we are level on points with Spurs and 2 points behind Man Utd.

    We have had one defeat in 2020.

    In the PL we are on a good run. Spurs are having a poor run.

    I’m not saying either of their games were easy today and I actually think a point at Everton is a decent point, and Wolves are a very good side, so losing to them is no shame. But that’s not the point. The point is, Arsenal may or may not be as good as United and Spurs. We will only know at the end of the season. But given everything I’ve seen this season, to claim we are ‘miles behind’ is simply ridiculous and is the typical knee jerk reaction we have come to expect, not only from the media but from some of our fans, on the back of one poor result.

    This game is such fine margins.

    Liverpool Lose.

    Leicester Lose

    Chelsea Draw.

    Man Utd Draw.

    Spurs Lose.

    Burnley Draw.

    Everton Draw.

    Of all the teams above and around us only one of them won.

    As I say. Win our game in hand and we are not just in a battle for 5th, but 4th is at least within our grasp.

    Despite our lose on Thursday this is a good weekend for us, if PEA had stuck that chance away it would of been a fantastic weekend. On such fine margins do things hang.

    Miles behind? Really ?

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  21. seismic
    01/03/2020

    @Josif – Was he ever?

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